Thread: Iraq: 655,000 Iraqis have been killed

Originally Posted by mad_dog

Well the combination of sanctions and diplomacy stopped Saddaa making any new WMD... It also killed 1,000,000 Iraqi children.. Perhaps the war is amore honest way for Britain and the US to kill Iraqis?

He was still actively pursuing the third ingredient. I'm glad he didn't get a chance to get it.

Only a fool would suggest the UK and US actually have the ulterior motive of killing Iraqi people.

I still believe the vast majority of Iraqis wanted and still wanted their freedom.

I still believe posters like you cheer people like the dead al zaqarwi who came right out and told the Iraqi people that he would behead the wives and children of Iraqis who voted in the January elections.

I'm still befuddled as to how supposedly intelligent people can hope and pray for failure in Iraq at the expense of the majority of Iraqi citizens.

Originally Posted by ceburat

I have been out of the US for 12 plus years now. That would make the ones interviewed 6 to 12 years old when I left. Fuck-maybe I don't want to go back home.

National Geographic is good reading.

I am always amazed by the difference between US citizens who have spent time abroad and those who never have. The former tend to be open minded, well-read and informed. The latter seem to be ignorant, brainwashed and bigoted.

A bit like Thais, perhaps.....?

There are a lot of similarities between Thai and Americans, beyond their ignorance.

I just wish that Americans would pronounce the name of the country they invaded correctly.
It's pronounced I-rark (short I sound), not eye-rack.

Ee-rak? Eye-rak? Ya'll know, them hicks and stuff didn't finish third graid, so, thems go ovah join You Ess Millahterry thar to keel them towelheads that wahnts keel Ahmairkins 'cos gloree be to Gawd to keel 'em.

A NEW HOLE IN THE "655,000 DEAD IRAQIS" CLAIM

"I have not yet commented on the latest Lancet report of huge post-invasion mortality ("about 655,000" extra deaths) in Iraq as it seemed perfectly obvious from the outset to me and to many others that it was just a piece of agitprop that would have done the old Soviets proud. You would have to be a Leftist to believe that nobody else noticed 655,000 corpses. I have googled up quite a few comments on the study now, however, and I have not so far found anybody who has noticed the really glaring defect in the study.

None of the comments I saw appeared to be by people who are experienced users of cluster sampling -- the method used for the Lancet study. I am a VERY experienced user of cluster sampling -- with many of my academic publications based on it. And the glaring error which rather explains why the study appeared in a medical journal rather than a more statistically sophisticated journal is that there was NO VALIDATION of the survey results. That your survey-takers might just sit down under a tree and "make up" their "interview" results is a routine peril and it is routine to take precautions against it -- usually by going back on a later occasion and checking with the alleged respondents a proportion of all interviews handed in. Just the awareness that a sample of the respondents will be re-interviewed tends to keep the interviewers honest -- though not always so, regrettably. So the results reported in the Lancet study have no credibility at all and must be regarded as garbage.

It is astounding that the authors of the study were so naive. Perhaps they WANTED their interviewers to "fudge" the results -- making clear what the desired results would be, of course.

Another oddity in the Lancet article that suggests something peculiar about the authors is the claim that their interviewers were all DOCTORS -- and not just any doctors but doctors bilingual in Arabic and English. I have never seen the like of that before. Experienced interviewers of some kind were what was needed and that is what is usually used, not doctors. Can we really believe that a whole corps of these rare doctors abandoned their medical duties for so long in order to do something outside their normal expertise? If true it certainly suggests a heavy political committment on the part of the doctors concerned -- exactly what one would NOT want in a study claiming to be objective. To me the whole claim seems like the sort of "gilding the lily" that con-men engage in.

Other critics have noticed other vast implausibilities in the results reported -- the amazingly high (98%) success-rate at getting people to consent to an interview, for instance --- garbage, garbage garbage. And the lie about the death certificates actually shows how bogus the results were."

link?

or is it just....

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

garbage, garbage garbage.

Every one of those blue sections is a link dude.

please post a link to the 'article'.

IMO this is not an unreasonable request.

Originally Posted by raycarey

Asinine imbecilities parroted by a mindless Michael Moore devotee

Please!

Originally Posted by raycarey

please post a link to the 'article'.

IMO this is not an unreasonable request.

You're right.

Why hasn't this website adjusted its numbers?
Iraq Body Count

They have an eight page eplanation why here:
Press Release 14 - Iraq Body Count

If these assertions (of the Lancet Report) are true, they further imply:

• incompetence and/or fraud on a truly massive scale by Iraqi officials in hospitals and ministries, on a local, regional and national level, perfectly coordinated from the moment the occupation began;

Ok, I think iraqbodycount.org is saying believers of the 655,000 deaths fall into the category of complicated conspiracy nuts.

Who was the stupid fool who started this hoax thread ? Whoever it was I still can't believe anybody could be stupid enough to fall for it. But then again the sucker liberals of the world no longer surprise me with their ignorance.


"Omar over at Iraq the Model has something to say regarding that report of 665,000 dead Iraqi civilians since the start of the liberation of Iraq:

Among the things I cannot accept is exploiting the suffering of people to make gains that are not the least related to easing the suffering of those people. I’m talking here about those researchers who used the transparency and open doors of the new Iraq to come and count the drops of blood we shed. Human flesh is abundant and all they have to do is call this hospital or that office to get the count of casualties, even more they can knock on doors and ask us one by one and we would answer because we’ve got nothing to be ashamed of.

We believe in what we’re struggling for and we are proud of our sacrifices.

I wonder if that research team was willing to go to North Korea or Libya and I think they wouldn’t have the guts to dare ask Saddam to let them in and investigate deaths under his regime.

No, they would’ve shit their pants the moment they set foot in Iraq and they would find themselves surrounded by the Mukhabarat men counting their breaths. However, maybe they would have the chance to receive a gift from the tyrant in exchange for painting a rosy picture about his rule.

They shamelessly made an auction of our blood, and it didn’t make a difference if the blood was shed by a bomb or a bullet or a heart attack because the bigger the count the more useful it becomes to attack this or that policy in a political race and the more useful it becomes in cheerleading for murderous tyrannical regimes. (Ed. note: We apologise for the un-censored obscenity, but we believed it was necessary in order to fully capture Omar's intention)."

You are right. You are wrong. Fock you, etc, etc. So much talk and so little real fact of life.

Bull shit - time for fact about so many innocents being killed. Women, children, etc.

Do you really think if some country was attacking the west, USA-UK-OZ, or whoever, do you really believe that they would give a Fok about how many innocents they would kill?

Also tell me, who do these children grow up to be besides being the same as their papa. Real innocents?

I don't like to see women and children killed. In fact I don't like to see or kill anyone, but, look at the situation both ways. Open your eyes and look at the real world.

how very "unchristian" of you, ceburat, I am surprised.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

how very "unchristian" of you, ceburat, I am surprised.

I am only stating truth. I did say that I did not like....

So how am I unchristian?

By now I think it might be Iraq: 695,000 Iraqis have been killed.

Originally Posted by dirtydog

I think Bush has done much better than Hitler ever did on his killing innocent people escapade, still Hitler didn't win the war and neither has Bush, shame Bush wont be tried for warcrimes though....

Don'y you worry, he lives in the country that has the most trained snipers.

Originally Posted by attaboy

... believers of the 655,000 deaths fall into the category of complicated conspiracy nuts.

That's a bit unfair, attaboy - they're not all conspiracy nuts! Some of them are just normal, attention-seeking Internet trolls.

Originally Posted by MeMock

If you consider that there has been an average of 160,000 troops in Iraq theatre of operations in the last 22 months, and a total of 2112 deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per month per 100,000 soldiers.

The firearm death rate in Washington DC is 80.6 per month per 100,000 for the same period. That means that you are about 33% more likely to be shot and killed in the US capital which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation, than you are in Iraq.


Conclusion:

The US should pull out of Washington immediately.

Ever been to Washington D.C.???? If you have then you will know why the murder rate is so high!!! SOME PEOPLE are just culturally violent !!

^ Yup.

I lived in the District. Loved it. So much fun. But violence was very close. If you ever live you will know, work with, or have an acquaintance that is a victim of violent crime.

Originally Posted by MeMock

The firearm death rate in Washington DC is 80.6 per month per 100,000 for the same period

Nice try

Originally Posted by KID

Ever been to Washington D.C.???? If you have then you will know why the murder rate is so high!!! SOME PEOPLE are just culturally violent !!

Yes, Washington DC is full of Sepos. There is a growing world consenus that thier ignorance and culture predisposes them to violence. It is brave of you to make this admission KID. Perhaps you have taken the first step.