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10-10-2006, 12:26 PM
Little Chuchok

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How did the animals get to the ark?

Skeptics paint a picture of Noah going to countries remote from the Middle East to gather animals such as kangaroos and koalas from Australia, and kiwis from New Zealand. However, the Bible states that the animals came to Noah; he did not have to round them up (Genesis 6:20). God apparently caused the animals to come to Noah. The Bible does not state how this was done.
We also do not know what the geography of the world was like before the flood. If there was only one continent at that time (see later in this chapter), then questions of getting animals from remote regions to the ark are not relevant

Yep, a flightless nocturnal bird (eats,roots and leaves:) ) swam to a land bridge and marched to the middle east.
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10-10-2006, 12:31 PM
kerux

Want don't you refute instead of mock?

Take them one at a time, your choice.

Should we assume that there was a worldwide flood, being one of you admitted there was at least
a "massive localized flood in the region?"

Maybe you could start here:

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We also do not know what the geography of the world was like before the flood.

We don't know what the geography was like, do we?

The Bible states God brought the animals to Noah.

Genesis 6:20 (King James Version)

King James Version (KJV)

20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

If there was one land mass, this is possible, expecially taking into account the Creator causing the animals to go to Noah.

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but now they cannot do Math either??

kingwithalittlewilly, why don't you show us where the math is wrong?
10-10-2006, 12:45 PM
kerux

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sounds like evolution to me - but lets call it devolving https://teakdoor.com/images/smilies1/You_Rock_Emoticon.gif

de‧volve

1.to transfer or delegate (a duty, responsibility, etc.) to or upon another; pass on.

2.Obsolete. to cause to roll downward. –verb (used without object)

.to be transferred or passed on from one to another: The responsibility devolved on me.

4.Archaic. to roll or flow downward.

devolving - Definitions from Dictionary.com

Although devolving 'sounds like evolution' to you, it is a word as defined above by dictionary.com which doesn't mean or have anything to do with evolution, as much as it 'sounds' like it to you.
10-10-2006, 12:46 PM
Sir Burr

I like Kerux. He makes me feel so lucky that I am me and not him.
10-10-2006, 12:49 PM
kerux
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i think that's called EVOLUTION!

Think what you want, here's American Heritage dictionary's definition:

v. de·scend·ed, de·scend·ing, de·scends
v. intr.
1. To move from a higher to a lower place; come or go down.
2. To slope, extend, or incline downward: “A rough path descended like a steep stair into the plain” (J.R.R. Tolkien).
3. 1. To come from an ancestor or ancestry: He was descended from a pioneer family.
  2. To come down from a source; derive: a tradition descending from colonial days.
  3. To pass by inheritance: The house has descended through four generations.
4. To lower oneself; stoop: “She, the conqueror, had descended to the level of the conquered” (James Bryce).
5. To proceed or progress downward, as in rank, pitch, or scale: titles listed in descending order of importance; notes that descended to the lower register.
6. To arrive or attack in a sudden or an overwhelming manner: summer tourists descending on the seashore village.
v. tr.
1. 1. To move from a higher to a lower part of; go down.
  2. To get down from: “People descended the minibus that shuttled guests to the nearby... beach” (Howard Kaplan).
  No where is the idea of 'evovling' mentioned.
10-10-2006, 01:01 PM
kerux

However, to account for today's animal distribution, evolutionists themselves have had to propose that certain primates have traveled across hundreds of miles of open ocean on huge rafts of matted vegetation torn off in storms.6

Anon., Hitchhiking Lemurs, Creation 15(4):11, 1993, commenting on J. Tattersall, Madagascar's Lemurs, Scientific American 268(1):90–97, 1993.

Indeed, iguanas have recently been documented traveling hundreds of kilometres in this manner between islands in the Caribbean.7

Surfing Lizards Wipe Out Objections, Creation 21(2):8, 1999.
10-10-2006, 01:04 PM
kerux

"We may never know the exact answer to every one of such questions, but certainly one can see that the problems are far less formidable than they may at first appear.9

Coupled with all the biblical, geological, and anthropological evidence for Noah's Flood, one is justified in regarding the Genesis account of the animals dispersing from a central point as perfectly reasonable.10"

How did animals get from the Ark to places such as Australia?

Certainly no worse an explanation than billions of years of chance happenings.
10-10-2006, 01:05 PM
kingwilly

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We also do not know what the geography of the world was like before the flood. If there was only one continent at that time (see later in this chapter), then questions of getting animals from remote regions to the ark are not relevant

Yes but questions of continenatal drift, well, actually Australia would have been racing rather than drifting if the earth is only 5000 years old or so,

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Can you imagine Asutralia with a bow wave ????????????

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10-10-2006, 01:10 PM
kerux

For those seriously interested in animal migration post Flood:

Post-Flood Marsupial Migration Explained
10-10-2006, 01:10 PM
kingwilly

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We also do not know what the geography of the world was like before the flood. If there was only one continent at that time (see later in this chapter), then questions of getting animals from remote regions to the ark are not relevant

Yes but questions of continenatal drift, well, actually Australia would have been racing rather than drifting if the earth is only 5000 years old or so,

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Can you imagine Asutralia with a bow wave ????????????

less formidable?????

your answsers are getting more and more rubbish!

when is ur ajarn band over ? you must be looking forward to getting beack there!
10-10-2006, 01:13 PM
kerux

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We also do not know what the geography of the world was like before the flood. If there was only one continent at that time (see later in this chapter), then questions of getting animals from remote regions to the ark are not relevant

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Yes but questions of continenatal drift, well, actually Australia would have been racing rather than drifting if the earth is only 5000 years old or so..... Can you imagine Asutralia with a bow wave ????????????

Ge 7:11 -

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Ge 8:2

The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;

Do you know what the "fountains of the great deep" are?

What is meant by 'broken-up"?
10-10-2006, 01:14 PM
Little Chuchok

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Originally Posted by kerux

However, to account for today's animal distribution, evolutionists themselves have had to propose that certain primates have traveled across hundreds of miles of open ocean on huge rafts of matted vegetation torn off in storms.6

Anon., Hitchhiking Lemurs, Creation 15(4):11, 1993, commenting on J. Tattersall, Madagascar's Lemurs, Scientific American 268(1):90–97, 1993.

Indeed, iguanas have recently been documented traveling hundreds of kilometres in this manner between islands in the Caribbean.7

Surfing Lizards Wipe Out Objections, Creation 21(2):8, 1999.

yep, kiwi birds that can't live for more than a day or so with out food, can
hitch a ride on a bit of wood thousands of miles....Along with the Moa...the largest bird to walk the earth in modern times.

And did you know that Moas and Kiwis decended directly from iguanas....
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10-10-2006, 01:20 PM
kerux

"The Bible also hints that the size and location of land masses could have been much different then. For example Genesis 10:25 tells us that the land was divided well after the flood, giving animals plenty of migration time.

And though seasons are mentioned in Genesis 1:14, the first mention of summer and winter comes in Gen. 8:22 after the flood.

Some believe that pre-flood weather was uniformly sub-tropical but began changing with the collapse of the water vapor canopy that surrounded the Earth at the time of the flood."

- Post Flood Migration
10-10-2006, 01:23 PM
Little Chuchok

NZ wasn't part of any land mass sonny.volcanic...it just popped up like an erect penis.
10-10-2006, 01:24 PM
kerux

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Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

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Originally Posted by kerux

However, to account for today's animal distribution, evolutionists themselves have had to propose that certain primates have traveled across hundreds of miles of open ocean on huge rafts of matted vegetation torn off in storms.6

Anon., Hitchhiking Lemurs, Creation 15(4):11, 1993, commenting on J. Tattersall, Madagascar's Lemurs, Scientific American 268(1):90–97, 1993.

Indeed, iguanas have recently been documented traveling hundreds of kilometres in this manner between islands in the Caribbean.7

Surfing Lizards Wipe Out Objections, Creation 21(2):8, 1999.

yep, kiwi birds that can't live for more than a day or so with out food, can
hitch a ride on a bit of wood thousands of miles....Along with the Moa...the largest bird to walk the earth in modern times.

And did you know that Moas and Kiwis decended directly from iguanas....
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For those seriously interested in animal migration post Flood:

Post-Flood Marsupial Migration Explained

Given time, I'll look into it.
10-10-2006, 01:30 PM
Little Chuchok

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Originally Posted by kerux

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Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

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Originally Posted by kerux

However, to account for today's animal distribution, evolutionists themselves have had to propose that certain primates have traveled across hundreds of miles of open ocean on huge rafts of matted vegetation torn off in storms.6

Anon., Hitchhiking Lemurs, Creation 15(4):11, 1993, commenting on J. Tattersall, Madagascar's Lemurs, Scientific American 268(1):90–97, 1993.

Indeed, iguanas have recently been documented traveling hundreds of kilometres in this manner between islands in the Caribbean.7

Surfing Lizards Wipe Out Objections, Creation 21(2):8, 1999.

yep, kiwi birds that can't live for more than a day or so with out food, can
hitch a ride on a bit of wood thousands of miles....Along with the Moa...the largest bird to walk the earth in modern times.

And did you know that Moas and Kiwis decended directly from iguanas....
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For those seriously interested in animal migration post Flood:

Post-Flood Marsupial Migration Explained

Given time, I'll look into it.

Ummm....errr ..moas and kiwis are not marsupials pal.

One is a little bird the other is a very big bird.flightless bastards they are too.;)
10-10-2006, 01:31 PM
kerux

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Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

NZ wasn't part of any land mass sonny.volcanic...it just popped up like an erect penis.

Then maybe NZ didn't exist pre-flood? And maybe the animals found there were carried there by boat?

Ditto Hawaii.

Proposes questions for the evolutionary theory as well then, doesn't it?

How'd the animals get to places like NZ and Hawaii?

Where they always there? By chance as evolutionists would have us believe?

How'd they get there?

Just as difficult a problem to explain for evolutionists as far as I can see.

Maybe if kingwithlittlewilly can stop laughing he can give us his explanation and tell us why it is more beleivable than that of a creationists view?
10-10-2006, 01:32 PM
Stocky

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Originally Posted by kerux

Some believe that pre-flood weather was uniformly sub-tropical but began changing with the collapse of the water vapor canopy that surrounded the Earth at the time of the flood.

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10-10-2006, 01:37 PM
kerux

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Some believe that pre-flood weather was uniformly sub-tropical but began changing with the collapse of the water vapor canopy that surrounded the Earth at the time of the flood.

Please don't give false warning about BS.

No one alive today was there at the time of the Flood. So we don't know what the climate was like do we?

For many reasons I may go into later, I believe there was a canopy surrounding the earth at the time of the flood creating a worldwide tropical climate.

BTW: glad to see I'm having such an influence on the use of the smileys,

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10-10-2006, 01:41 PM
kerux

Once again, so the question is not lost among the false BS flags,

kingwithlittlewilly,from an evolutionist point of view, please explain how the animals got to places like NZ and Hawaii
10-10-2006, 01:45 PM
Stocky

Educate yourself a little about the origins of modern man and his migration from Africa some 60,000 years ago.

Genographic Project

How you attempt to equate this with your biblical story will no doubt be as tortuous, but amusing, as your previous hoops and hurdles display.
10-10-2006, 01:47 PM
Whiteshiva

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Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Ummm....errr ..moas and kiwis are not marsupials pal.

One is a little bird the other is a very big bird.flightless bastards they are too.;)

Maybe they evolved from marsupials after they arrived?????:cool:

Did the American Bison also float across the Mediterranean and the Atlantic on dead vegetation? Must have been quite a sight! Did the Llamas and the Jaguars have separate veggie floats, or did they share a common float? How come none of them landed, say in Europe or Africa on the way through the Gibraltar?

This is fascinating stuff. Damn the devil for leaving us all these fake evidence that has completely all the worlds scientists in paleontology, geology, archeology, zoology, biology, history, astronomy, physics, etc, etc.

And damn God for not leaving any proof whatsoever that can convince rational people of his deeds. He is a real pussy, this God of the fanatics, isn't he? I bet Odin or Zeus would kick his ass any day!
10-10-2006, 01:47 PM
kerux

Answer the question stocking, kingwithlittewilly and now whiteshiva:

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from an evolutionist point of view, please explain how the animals got to places like NZ and Hawaii?

This question stopped all you mothers cold didn't it?

All three of you mockers were posting at the time this question was posed, around 1:50 pm. All three.

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Doesn't your hindu god have the answers?

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10-10-2006, 02:06 PM
diaw

Think you scared them off, Mr.K? :confused:
10-10-2006, 02:08 PM
kerux

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