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"it was this big"
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Wow, that means your average illegal immigrant is a good deal smarter than your average redneck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
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One more reason to support immigration reform- legalization will raise the collective IQ of the nation a few points :bananaman:
^ That's nasty. . . and belongs in the 'knuckledragger' thread.
Well, a tenth grade education in Mexico beats a US High School Diploma like a full house beats a pair of threes. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
That's why they are so anti-legalisation - they know these people won't vote for them - no other reasonQuote:
Originally Posted by quimbian corholla
That ain't it...Quote:
Originally Posted by OckerRocker
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'Progressive' Judges keep knocking down bills that require an ID.
Wonder why that is? :chitown:
I both agree and disagree with you.
I disagree in the sense that the 'newbies' will vote for the party that they can identify with more readily - based on ease of facilitation (politics) and being with their 'own kind', i.e. minorities.
I agree that it is ridiculous that one doesn't need to show an ID when voting . . . these knee-jerk reactions by Republicans shortly before elections to change laws is just as stupid and short-sighted as the Democrat unwillingness to address this issue in the four years between elections (or two if it's not the presidency of course)
Having said that one could use the same argument - and I do - about registration of weapons . . . and ability tests.
Scalia is a 'Progressive' now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
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The Senate is rushing to the finish line on the Gang of Eight bill, setting up a key vote Monday that could clear the way to final passage of the immigration overhaul by the end of next week.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said Friday that his chamber will hold a procedural vote on the border-security agreement crafted by Republican Sens. Bob Corker of Tennessee and John Hoeven of North Dakota on Monday at 5:30 p.m.
The timing meets a goal long set by Senate Democratic leaders to finish working on the bill — a significant rewrite of the nation’s immigration laws — before the July 4 recess.
“We’ll finish the bill, I repeat, before recess,” Reid said Friday.
The Senate is expected to pass the Corker-Hoeven deal, which is a compromise centered around a significant increase in security measures along the United States-Mexico border. It includes an additional 20,000 border patrol agents, $3.2 billion in high-tech surveillance equipment, and a requirement to complete 700 miles of fencing along the border.
“Nothing in this amendment or the bill satisfies anyone completely, but together, the amendment and the bill provides a sturdy craft that will weather the upcoming storms we face and get us finally to our long-desired port — comprehensive immigration reform signed into law,” said Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), a leader of the Gang of Eight that wrote the original legislation.
The overall bill includes a pathway to citizenship for millions of undocumented immigrants, while modernizing the nation’s legal immigration system and adding enforcement measures in order to deter future illegal immigration into the U.S.
Countdown to immigration vote begins
Immigration reform bill: Full text
Well, it goes beyond the voting issue as 46 million mostly unskilled Third World peasants will be flooding the USA by 2033, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Is the unemployment rate going to go thru the roof or what?Quote:
Originally Posted by OckerRocker
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Originally Posted by S Landreth
Update: It occurs to me that I wasn’t 100% clear in the post that today is a vote on cloture, not on the final bill. The bill doesn’t technically pass the Senate today, but obviously if it gets 60+ for cloture, it’s going to get 51 on the final vote in a few days. I think all of our readers understand that but if any didn’t, hopefully they do now.
Update: The vote’s still open as I write this at 6:20 ET, but they’ve got more than enough to invoke cloture. I believe the tally right now is 66 votes. Schumer wants 70. Stay tuned.
Oh, by the way: CBO announced just before the vote this afternoon that Corker’s and Hoeven’s amendment will increase the cost of the bill by $40 billion. Never mind that, though; CBO isn’t allowed to estimate the entitlement costs of amnesty 30-40 years from now, so it’s not worth taking its deficit estimates on this seriously.
Update: Can’t find an updated roll as of 6:30 but TPM’s Benjy Sarlin says he thinks there are 69 yeses so far with one or both of the Republicans from Georgia, Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson, somehow delayed. At least one of them is likely to vote yes. If Sarlin’s count is right, that’s the magic number for Schumer.
Here’s a list of R’s so far, via the boss emeritus. More may be coming:
14 Rs who voted w/open borders lobby: Corker Ayotte Chiesa Collins Flake Graham Hatch Heller Hoeven Kirk McCain Murkowski Rubio Wicker
Update: Reid finally cut the vote short at a few minutes before 7 p.m. ET. Final tally: 67-27, but I believe at least a few of the six senators who missed it where likely yeses. Schumer’s going to claim 70 votes in principle even if they weren’t official. I’ll post the roll as soon as it’s available.
:bananaman: Open thread: Senate to vote on Gang of Eight bill at 5:30 ET; Update: Cloture passes; Update: 67-27 « Hot Air
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Well, at least one sane person in the Senate - Ted Cruz who rips the "Mad Rush" to pass this Immigration Bill "Reminiscent of Obamacare" which nobody read before signing:
"We have seen this play before. It is reminiscent of Obamacare, yet another bill that we were told we’ve got to pass it to find out what’s in it. And, unfortunately, it seems, there are some republicans eager to go along with the democrats in the mad rush to pass this bill. In the 2007 immigration debate, close to 50 amendments were considered. In this debate, only nine have been debated. I introduced seven substantive amendments to improve this bill. Not a single one has been considered on the floor of the senate.
My point is very simple: what is the rush? Why are we proceeding gangbusters? And the only explanation that makes sense is there are many senators it seems in this body perhaps on both sides of the aisle that very much want a fig leaf. They want something that they can claim we are supporting border security when, in fact, this bill does not.
The first and most important difference is this amendment provides legalization first and then border security maybe at some time in the future. We have seen this before. In 1986 it was the same promise congress made, and we got the legalization, we got the amnesty and we never, ever, ever got border security. In contrast, the amendment I introduced reflects the will of the American people to have border security first and only then the possibility of legalization."
Sen. Ted Cruz Compares Senate Immigration Bill To Obamacare
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Got that right, Ted!
He sounds butthurt.Quote:
I introduced seven substantive amendments to improve this bill. Not a single one has been considered on the floor of the senate.
Is he criticising Reagan now? hahahaha, that will go down well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
Senator Ted Cruz ✔ @SenTedCruz If Gang of 8 bill passes, those newly legalized are exempted from Obamacare. HUGE incentive for employers to hire them instead of Americans.
Indeed.
Plus, turns out the Senate is trying to "Pelosi Through" this Amnesty Bill.
Sarah Palin just used “Pelosi” as a verb today… And we all know what she meant.
"Just like they did with Obamacare, some in Congress intend to “Pelosi” the amnesty bill. They’ll pass it in order to find out what’s in it. And just like the unpopular, unaffordable Obamacare disaster, this pandering, rewarding-the-rule-breakers, still-no-border-security, special-interests-ridden, 24-lb disaster of a bill is not supported by informed Americans."
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FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS CRIME PAYS:
S.744 is the Schumer/Rubio amnesty bill:
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Illegal immigrants who commit crimes face lesser punishment than U.S. citizens | WashingtonExaminer.com
Wonderful...
Just a year or so ago you were rooting for Rubio to be the VP nom, in fact you said he was a lock for it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
Didn't take long for you to throw him under the bus. Your predictions are about as good as Dick Morris or Bill Kristol :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
Got that right.Quote:
Originally Posted by quimbian corholla
Just another RINO like his Daddy John McRino...
To be fair, most politicians are fair weather pollies - Obama is no different and has changed course a few times.
Sadly Rubio and Christie look like 'normal' politicians now with Cruz et al around
Read it and weep:
"As I’ve outlined previously, under Obamacare, businesses with over 50 workers that employ American citizens without offering them qualifying health insurance could be subject to fines of up to $3,000 per worker. But because newly legalized immigrants wouldn’t be eligible for subsidies on the Obamacare exchanges until after they become citizens – at least 13 years under the Senate bill – businesses could avoid such fines by hiring the new immigrants instead."
Immigration and Obamacare
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Good luck finding a job after amnesty.
On Thursday afternoon, an immigration reform bill that would affect millions of undocumented immigrants was approved by a final vote of 68 to 32 in the Senate.
The bill puts up to 11 million undocumented immigrants on a pathway to citizenship and enforces tough border security measures. Vice President Joe Biden presided over the historic vote, in which all the senators were required to vote from their desks.
The Senate gallery was packed with exuberant DREAMers, undocumented youths who were brought to the U.S. by their parents. The gallery chanted “Yes we can” after the bill was officially passed.
After the cloture vote occurred early Thursday afternoon, politicians on both sides of the aisle spoke emotionally about the need to pass the bill.
House Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) teared up as he spoke of his wife’s father, who immigrated from Russia, and reflected on the letters sent to him by undocumented individuals who were brought to the U.S. as children and raised in fear of deportation. He compared present-day immigrants to all the previous waves of immigrants, notably lauding the achievements that these new Americans could contribute:
It recognizes that today’s immigrants came for the very same reason as generations before them– to achieve a dream we take for granted, the right to live in the land of the free.
Across the aisle, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) invoked his immigrant parents as he argued passionately that immigration reform will help future generations to fulfill their dreams:
Here, immigrants will give their children the life they once wanted for themselves.
Here generations of unfulfilled dreams will finally come to pass. Even with all our challenges, we remain the shining city on the hill. We are still the hope of the world.
And in the end, that is why I support this reform. Yes, I believe in immigrants, but I believe in America even more.
The bill now faces an uphill battle in the House, where many Republican congressmen have vowed their opposition to any kind of an immigration deal that includes a pathway to citizenship. House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) has promised that he would not advance a reform bill without a majority agreement by House Republicans.
Senate Passes Historic Immigration Reform
Here are the Republican 'ayes:' Alexander (TN), Ayotte (NH), Chisea (NJ), Collins (ME), Corker (TN), Flake (AZ), Graham (SC), Hatch (UT), Heller (NV), Hoeven (ND), Kirk (IL), McCain (AZ), Rubio (FL), Murkowksi (AK).
It would be bad for immigrants if the Rethugs kill it.Quote:
Originally Posted by S Landreth
On the other hand, killing it is being assessed as Republican Suicide. Suicide might be too strong, but for the amount of damage it would do to them, I almost hope they do kill it. Sorry, immigrants.
Sorry illegal immigrants?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrG
Should read sorry American workers whose jobs will disappear when the waves of illegals pour across the border after amnesty...
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See where even Rubio has backed away from his 'gang of 8' plan? :chitown:
Come on Archie ... There be jobs in them there private prisons to house them illegal immigrants. Empty beds mean no money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
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