Thread: Islam Ctr Planned Next to Ground Zero

It is an absolute disgrace, Islam is a religion which is intolerant to all others and it seeks to dominate, it is pure evil.


He that chooses a religion over Islam, it will not be accepted from him and in the world to come he will be one of the lost.
Quran 3:85, "The Imrans,"

I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers.
Quran 8:12, "The Spoils,"

When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.
Quran 9:5; "Repentance,"

Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.
Quran 48:29, "Victory

Originally Posted by jojo333

It is an absolute disgrace, Islam is a religion which is intolerant to all others and it seeks to dominate, it is pure evil

Now now, lets not forget there are some very 'evil' parts in the Bible and what about all the nasty things Christians have done in the past, crusades, inquisitions etc. Just thought I would get that in before anyone else, it's a spurious argument of course. Where Christianity was is based on love and forgiveness, Islam orientates itself to division, hate and retribution. I just cannot think of any religion where so many of it's members, fanatics or not, cause so much misery in the world with their attacks, uprisings and the murder of innocents they deem to be enemies. It certainly is a force of evil more than any other religion, political creed, or way of life.

Islamic extremists are not followers of Muhammad or maybe they just can't read,

• A white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action.
  Muhammad Quote
• Even as the fingers of the two hands are equal, so are human beings equal to one another. No one has any right, nor any preference to claim over another.
  Muhammad Quote
  
• Do not consider any act of kindness insignificant, even meeting your brother with a cheerful face.
  Muhammad Quote
• The strong man is not the good wrestler; the strong man is only the one who controls himself when he is angry.
  Muhammad Quote
• A man's true wealth here after is the good he does in this world to his fellow man.
  Muhammad Quote
• The ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr.
  Muhammad Quote
• One hour's meditation on the work of the Creator is better than seventy years of prayer.
  Muhammad Quote
• Do you love your creator? Love your fellow-beings first.
  Muhammad Quote
• Shall I not inform you of a better act than fasting, alms, and prayers? Making peace between one another: enmity and malice tear up heavenly rewards by the roots.
  Muhammad Quote

The sura numbers would be helpful. One of the contradictions of the koran is that it is littered with contradictions, how come if it's the 'word of god'? You can cherry pick bits out of mein kampf, but it's still an evil book whose followers were evil and mis guided.

Originally Posted by phomsanuk

Islamic extremists are not followers of Muhammad or maybe they just can't read,

• A white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action.
  Muhammad Quote
• Even as the fingers of the two hands are equal, so are human beings equal to one another. No one has any right, nor any preference to claim over another.
  Muhammad Quote
  
• Do not consider any act of kindness insignificant, even meeting your brother with a cheerful face.
  Muhammad Quote
• The strong man is not the good wrestler; the strong man is only the one who controls himself when he is angry.
  Muhammad Quote
• A man's true wealth here after is the good he does in this world to his fellow man.
  Muhammad Quote
• The ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr.
  Muhammad Quote
• One hour's meditation on the work of the Creator is better than seventy years of prayer.
  Muhammad Quote
• Do you love your creator? Love your fellow-beings first.
  Muhammad Quote
• Shall I not inform you of a better act than fasting, alms, and prayers? Making peace between one another: enmity and malice tear up heavenly rewards by the roots.
  Muhammad Quote

[On Topic]

The question should be "should there by any facilities on ground zero dedicated to any one religion". Personally I think the answer is no, the site is for remembering of the victims; religious sites at ground zero will simply act as a distraction from what is important.

[Off Topic]

Like many religious books the koran is full of contradictions, islam has delt with is by the use of abrogation, where the most recent pronouncement of mohammed override earlier. This clears up those nasty contradictions but unfortunately has a very dark effect on the religion as Mohammed became a much darker and less pleasant character later in life. You need a saudi koran where they will helpfully annotate just about every positive quotation in the first half of the book with a later abrogation that states the opposite; it does make quoting from the koran a bit pointless, unless you are quoting those final abrogations which count.

The problem is that the extremists can read and many are well educated; but have taken the stance that koran is perfect, which abrogation makes it, and that it should be the source of all truth. Within this very narrow definition of their religion the are absolutely correct in their actions and behaviour.

Christians do the same thing with the new and old testament. fortunately for them the new testament generally abrogates the unpleasantness of the old testament. when you go looking for christian nutters, you get the amish and when you look for jewish and Muslim nutters you get.... hamas and the settlers.

More food for thought, it is endless, the callous disregard for human life:-


In 1992, Islamic assassins had gunned down my good and brave friend Farag Foda, a professor and columnist, a human-rights activist, and an outspoken critic of the Islamic militants.

The murder had shocked Cairo and terrified intellectuals... Egypt's most popular preacher, Abdel Hamid Kishk, a blind sheikh who constantly attacked both the government and its official religious establishment.

Kishk had been telling his audience that Muslims who entered paradise would enjoy eternal erections and the company of young boys draped in earrings and necklaces.

Some of the ulema, the religious scholars at al-Azhar University, the governments seat of Islamic learning, had disagreed.

Yes, they said, men in paradise would have erections, but merely protracted, not perpetual.

Other experts disputed the possibility of pederasty in paradise.

"Is this what concerns Muslims at the end of the 20th century?" [Farag] Foda asked in a column in October magazine.

"The world around us is busy with the conquest of space, genetic engineering and the wonders of the computer, while Muslim scholars," he wrote in sadness and pain, "were worried about sex in paradise."... he was killed.

Judith Miller

Originally Posted by Norton

The subject seems to getting too much coverage already on TD. Do we really need another?

https://teakdoor.com/us-domestic-issu...ound-zero.html

https://teakdoor.com/us-domestic-issu...ound-zero.html

https://teakdoor.com/us-domestic-issu...ound-zero.html

Yes we need to shake the dreamers into reality before it is too late to survive in the western world as we know it and not have to bend the knee to cruel and barbairic Islamic dominance of our way of life!

3 threads merged.

Originally Posted by phomsanuk

Islamic extremists are not followers of Muhammad or maybe they just can't read,

• A white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action.
  Muhammad Quote
• Even as the fingers of the two hands are equal, so are human beings equal to one another. No one has any right, nor any preference to claim over another.
  Muhammad Quote
  
• Do not consider any act of kindness insignificant, even meeting your brother with a cheerful face.
  Muhammad Quote
• The strong man is not the good wrestler; the strong man is only the one who controls himself when he is angry.
  Muhammad Quote
• A man's true wealth here after is the good he does in this world to his fellow man.
  Muhammad Quote
• The ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr.
  Muhammad Quote
• One hour's meditation on the work of the Creator is better than seventy years of prayer.
  Muhammad Quote
• Do you love your creator? Love your fellow-beings first.
  Muhammad Quote
• Shall I not inform you of a better act than fasting, alms, and prayers? Making peace between one another: enmity and malice tear up heavenly rewards by the roots.
  Muhammad Quote

As noted, I think it's fair to put the Sura and verse number.

No offense, but we don't even know where this is from, and what context it's in.

It may be in the Quran, or it might not be.

Correct Nice Guy, quotes like that needs links to source.

Originally Posted by larvidchr

Correct Nice Guy, quotes like that needs links to source.

Does that include jojo's posts?

Originally Posted by pickel

Originally Posted by larvidchr

Correct Nice Guy, quotes like that needs links to source.

Does that include jojo's posts?

Ohh yes Pickel Mate we are in a transition period, and working on contacting everyone as the need arise, so please be a bit patient.

Originally Posted by mr Fred

Yep. It's a real bastard when the world finds out you have been fibbing about mass murder.

How many is 'mass murder'? never was a war without civilian casualties, in recent times anyway. Perhaps if they had not had terrorist training camps there and so many links to worldwide atrocities the Afghan population would never have been at risk. Brought it all on themselves I think, or maybe the will of Allah their non existing god that they kill for.

Originally Posted by crazy dog

Originally Posted by mr Fred

Yep. It's a real bastard when the world finds out you have been fibbing about mass murder.

How many is 'mass murder'? never was a war without civilian casualties, in recent times anyway. Perhaps if they had not had terrorist training camps there and so many links to worldwide atrocities the Afghan population would never have been at risk. Brought it all on themselves I think, or maybe the will of Allah their non existing god that they kill for.

HOWIEINSEATTLE: Greenwald: "The WikiLeaks Afghanistan leak"

The Guardian describes the documents as "a devastating portrait of the failing war in Afghanistan, revealing how coalition forces have killed hundreds of civilians in unreported incidents,

Official cover ups usually mean they killed without good reason and tried to hide it.
Time is going to tell on this one.
Of course just because the US soldiers killed civilians I don't blame all Americans.
I'm still trying to work out why I, as a Muslim, am to blame for terrorist attacks.

Hundreds, so what the kvckers killed thousands just on 7/11 never mind all their other atrocities, som nam na.

Originally Posted by crazy dog

Hundreds, so what the kvckers killed thousands just on 7/11 never mind all their other atrocities, som nam na.

No they didn't.
Some Muslims who were also bastards killed those innocent people in the twin towers. Unarmed civilians in other countries had nothing to do with it.
You may as well say my daughter is guilty of mass murder on 9/11 because she's Muslim.

I am getting tired of your ignorant bullshit. I am not religious but those people dom't give a shit about the western countyries as long as you would leave them alone. You are the ones who like to attack them, dominate them, choose and maintain the government who sell you the resources of those countries cheaply to you. You still dare saying they are your opponents or enemies? Are some of you insane or completely screwd up by STD's and alcohol? lol Come on people.
Besides we still don't know shit about 9-11 and american government refuses to answer the questions wich arise from all the crap which went on there...

Why wouldn't they put a cultural center or what ever the F... they want there? they bought the plot etc....... What do you suggest no civil liberties for muslims? There already is a law of no human rights for muslim countries.............today wikileaks comes with some little stuf
If you wanna go back to the 19th century then be clear abiut it so the rest of the world knows how to react accordingly

larvichr... so everything with less casualties than the WW2 is acceptable??
They killed almost 200 in a wedding ( there were 2, 1 was 147 and the other 176 or sommething like that) And they just said it was not in the interest of our objectives and did not even say oops sorry...lol
Wikileaks has begun some stuf i havn't read it yet buty i know a few officers in afghanistan and a few investigators for dutch defense ministery and nothing will surprise me

We have to remember that the talibastards kill far more civilians than coalition forces and almost always deliberate, but they will not be appearing on TV or before any inquiry to explain why they murder civilians.

^ I beg to differ on one issue: the burka or cover up for women. The answer is logical as most things are. Mohammed had many women at his camp in Medina. The men who visited were attracted and often harassed them, so the women came up with the novel idea of covering up to fend them off. It became a fashion statement, because mohammed was popular -- like obama is today. Who cares if he had the right message; the guy had charisma. Today, it's a method of restraining women and also shows how incapable muslim men are of controlling themselves. Crikey! You have to be a woman and go to parts of Malaysia, Indonesia and other muslim states to understand. I always wore respectful clothing and was still grabbed at on the streets there.

vicious circle cover up/lock up women= frustrated men=harassment. Took a women to Egypt on holiday and she was constantly followed, harassed and even grabbed while walking in a group.

Originally Posted by crazy dog

We have to remember that the talibastards kill far more civilians than coalition forces and almost always deliberate, but they will not be appearing on TV or before any inquiry to explain why they murder civilians.

This is true. The Teletubbies do kill in large numbers are are total bastards for doing it. It's also true they will not have to face an enquiry for their crimes.
We can only hope they either get killed quickly or die of cancer. Whatever as long as the bastards die a horrible death.
However that does not excuse anyone else doing the same.