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    "Open Carry" Gun Laws

    I have had a concealed weapons permit from my home state for years. I applied for it, gave my prints, and paid a fee. I had my crim check done.

    Open Carry, I've never really seen. To carry a gun openly, one cannot be a felon or mentally ill, etc.

    My state now is Open Carry (WA) and there was a recent ruling overturning a law banning openly carrying guns in state parks.

    Here is an article about Starbucks, and they position of Starbucks.

    What's your take? Non-Americans, feel free to sound out.

    Gun fans cheer Starbucks’ stance on the armed

    Other businesses refusing to serve customers who show off weapons


    updated 5:03 p.m. ET Feb. 28, 2010

    Dale Welch recently walked into a Starbucks in Virginia, handgun strapped to his waist, and ordered a banana Frappuccino with a cinnamon bun. He says the firearm drew a double-take from at least one customer, but not a peep from the baristas.

    Welch's foray into the coffeehouse was part of an effort by some gun owners to exercise and advertise their rights in states that allow people to openly carry firearms.


    Even in some "open carry" states, businesses are allowed to ban guns in their stores. And some have, creating political confrontations with gun owners. But Starbucks, the largest chain targeted, has refused to take the bait, saying in a statement this month that it follows state and local laws and has its own safety measures in its stores.

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    Starbucks is a special target because it's from the hippie West Coast, and a lot of dedicated consumers who pay $4 for coffee have expectations that Starbucks would ban guns. And here they aren't," said John Bruce, a political science professor at the University of Mississippi who is an expert in gun policy.

    Welch, a 71-year-old retired property manager who lives in Richmond, Va., doesn't see any reason why he shouldn't bear arms while he gets caffeinated.

    "I don't know of anybody who would provide me with defense other than myself, so I routinely as a way of life carry a weapon — and that extends to my coffee
    shops," he said.

    The fight for retailers heated up in early January when gun enthusiasts in northern California began walking into Starbucks and other businesses to test state laws that allow gun owners to carry weapons openly in public places. As it spread to other states, gun control groups quickly complained about the parade of firearms in local stores.

    Some were spontaneous, with just one or two gun owners walking into a store. Others were organized parades of dozens of gun owners walking into restaurants with their firearms proudly at their sides.

    In one case, about 100 activists bearing arms had planned to go to a California Pizza Kitchen in Walnut Creek, Calif., but after it became clear they weren't welcome they went to another restaurant. That chain and Peet's Coffee & Tea are among the businesses that have banned customers with guns.

    Just as shops can deny service to barefoot customers, restaurants and stores in some states can declare their premises gun-free zones.

    The advocacy group OpenCarry.org, a leading group encouraging the demonstrations, applauded Starbucks in a statement for "deciding not to discriminate against lawful gun carriers."
    Link & Entire: Gun fans cheer Starbucks? stance on the armed - Retail - msnbc.com
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    Is there a need to carry a gun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman
    dedicated consumers who pay $4 for coffee
    I know this is a thread about firearms but is this quote for real !!! WTF

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    own one maybe? Carry one? No.

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    If open carry is legal is any particular state than a rip off like Starfucks better serve who ever the feck walks into one of their franchises packing their little ego on their hip , otherwise I smell a nice lawsuit.

    Surprised WA has an open carry policy , does that pertain to city centers as well ?

    The Seattle grunge look while packing a nice double action 9mm in a retro shoulder holster while smoking some medical marijuana.

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    Not sure why anyone, especially a 71 year old guy would want to, or feel safer entering a coffee shop displaying a firearm.

    Suitable case for treatment methinks and maybe his licence should be reviewed/revoked. His statement ' i can't think of any reason why i shouldn't bear arms whilst getting caffeinated' certainly comes across as very strange for someone who has been granted a firearms licence.

    Is there any history of innocent bystanders being gunned down whilst drinking coffee in public places in Virginia?

    Maybe there are just too many westerns being shown on tv in the state?

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    NO.., the Police should but jo public no.

    Keep them locked away.

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    I would rather a person carrying a handgun do so openly than have it hidden in their clothing. I would be more inclined to watch their actions and be ready for trouble.
    There would be the added benefit that a criminal would be less inclined to commit an armed robbery in the presence of an armed patron.
    Life is a state of mind.

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    Geez, $4 is cheap for one of those Starbucks special coffees, innit? I don't care if folks carry openly. If a robber entered the shop with a gun, folks would likely run and hope the open-carrier took out the guy. Kind of a macho thing, but if they have the right to carry, let 'em.

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    Ok folks, this is a hold up! Nobody move! You behind the counter, give me all the Mocha you have and while you're at it pour me a latte!!

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    Guns make people nervous- if you've got a permit, keep it concealed- it's there if you need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick
    Suitable case for treatment methinks and maybe his license should be reviewed/revoked. His statement ' i can't think of any reason why i shouldn't bear arms whilst getting caffeinated' certainly comes across as very strange for someone who has been granted a firearms license
    But he doesn't need a license, most places I have been is open carry and only need a permit for a concealed carry. Except in bars and saloons where booze is served and in those places and courthouses usually even with a carry permit it is not allowed.
    Really be the shits to have to go to the cop shop and get a permit to carry your gun from your house out to your car for the purpose of going to the range, or varmit shooting or off hunting deer.
    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe
    Guns make people nervous- if you've got a permit, keep it concealed- it's there if you need it.
    A criminal with a gun is going to keep it hidden too, but I think open carry should be legal anywhere and only concealed carry should have to be licensed.
    The 2nd amendment says you can own one so you should be allowed to carry it when you want to.
    Even with a concealed carry permit I carried in the open, sometimes it is just to damn hot to wear a coat or vest over it and shirts ain't cut right to cover a 1911 in a shoulder holster and in a belt holster they are usually quite noticeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe
    Guns make people nervous- if you've got a permit, keep it concealed- it's there if you need it.
    A criminal with a gun is going to keep it hidden too, but I think open carry should be legal anywhere and only concealed carry should have to be licensed.
    The 2nd amendment says you can own one so you should be allowed to carry it when you want to.
    Even with a concealed carry permit I carried in the open, sometimes it is just to damn hot to wear a coat or vest over it and shirts ain't cut right to cover a 1911 in a shoulder holster and in a belt holster they are usually quite noticeable.
    I'm all for 2nd amendment rights, but I also think more training is needed before someone can get licensed (at least as much as you need to have to obtain a drivers license)- there are too many idiots out there that really don't need to be carrying guns at all as they don't know how to handle them properly (how often have you recoiled in horror from watching the actions of some moron at the range- do you want that guy to carry a gun around your loved ones?)

    "Open carry" by private citizens also puts your gun in a position where it can be taken off you (fairly easily if you haven't been trained in how to keep it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe View Post
    "Open carry" by private citizens also puts your gun in a position where it can be taken off you (fairly easily if you haven't been trained in how to keep it).
    True.

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    But still everyone crys about lost freedom and yet there are those same people saying shit like this and there is a constitutional amendment that gives every person in the USA the right to keep and Bear(carry} arms, the concealed carry came later and as far as I am concerned can stay.
    But to say you can not take your gun with you is a violation of your constitutional rights, No fucking IF'S AND'S or BUT'S.
    But anyone under 60 years old has had so many rights sneaked and taken away that you do not even know what you are supposed to have and have lost.

    Politicians have said, "Bend over and I will just put the end of it in, it won't hurt" Then say "well I put it in just a tad more" then by the time they have finished with you, they have really fucked you in the ass with everything they have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang View Post
    But still everyone crys about lost freedome and yet there are those same people saying shit like this and there is a constitutional ammendment that gives every person in the USA the right to keep and Bear(carry} arms, the concealed carry came later and as far as I am concerned can stay.
    But to say you can not take your gun with you is a violation of your constitutional rights, No fucking IF'S AND'S or BUT'S.
    But anyone under 60 years old has had so many rights sneaked and taken away that you do not even know what you are supposed to have and have lost.

    Politicians have said, "Bend over and I will just put the end of it in, it won't hurt" Then say "well I put it in just a tad more" then by the time they have finished with you, they have really fucked you in the ass with everything they have.
    You're talking like constitional freedoms have never been abridged, or that it's something recent- it took congress only seven years to trample on the right to free speech (with the Sedition Act of 1798)- Lincoln suspended habeus corpus during the Civil War- the list goes on.

    Nobody said you can't carry your firearm- carrying it openly is generally not a good idea, though.

    I'm an American (though I live in Thailand) and I own several guns (which are in my brother's gun safe in the States)- I would never consider openly carrying any of them, yet I fully support your right to own and carry them (concealed).

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    A throwback to the days of the Wild West. I guess some countries progress while others regress

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    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe
    You're talking like constitutional freedoms have never been abridged, or that it's something recent-
    You are correct, and it piss me off every time they try to take something else,, has been happening to me all my life.
    But still I will give away nothing, and sure they do take and take, but the few of us that say no is out ruled by those that say OK but just a short time,, but once gone, it stays gone.
    But I would rather see some dude with his gun in the open than concealed, and some states make it so that your gun and the ammo can not be accessed from the same compartment.
    To many fucking laws now and more everyday and they all take rights away.

    Then you get this wild west bullshit from folks from countrys that have taken their guns away and are now over ran with crime that thinks that the USA should be in the same spot as they are because they do not have any rights and think our constitution should cover them as well as all criminals in the fucking world.
    Poor bastards have never lived anywhere but a city, have no idea what it is to have a bear break into your house or a moose the run you indoors, or to shoot the grouse you are eating for supper from your front porch..

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang View Post
    Then you get this wild west bullshit from folks from countrys that have taken their guns away and are now over ran with crime
    Yes, Australia is simply a cesspit of crime . . . over-run, I tell you! Passing out guns to the general populace is a good way to set the balance. Pearls of wisdom, thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang View Post
    think our constitution should cover them as well as all criminals in the fucking world.
    Damn, you saw right through my intentions. Yes, I wish for all mankind to be covered by the US constitution. Everywhere. All the time. Forever.

    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang View Post
    Poor bastards have never lived anywhere but a city, have no idea what it is to have a bear break into your house or a moose the run you indoors, or to shoot the grouse you are eating for supper from your front porch..
    I admire a country where 300 million people have that problem and still survive.

    Many a moose has killed innocent suburbanites in Phoenix and Dallas.

    Too many New Yorkers and gentle inhabitants of Miami are mauled by bears breaking and entering.

    I fondly remember those listless porch dwellers in Detroit, San Francisco and Boston shooting grouse from their doorstep to feed their children.


    This has me convinced that Americans need their guns to feed themselves . . .

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    Is there a need to carry a gun?

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    Washington state has always been open carry. If you spent more time on the dry side you would have known this. I grew up heading east of the mountains in the summer and could always remember cowboys with a six gun on their side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman View Post

    What's your take? Non-Americans, feel free to sound out.
    Quote Originally Posted by UpTooYou View Post
    Is there a need to carry a gun?
    We didn't ask you. Please read above.

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    ^^^No.
    ^^^^Nice one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman
    To carry a gun openly, one cannot be a felon or mentally ill, etc.
    so am I to understand that if you fit into these categories you must conceal your weapon ................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman
    To carry a gun openly, one cannot be a felon or mentally ill, etc.
    so am I to understand that if you fit into these categories you must conceal your weapon ................
    No.

    The law on Concealed and/or Open carry, depends on the state.

    I'm from the state of Washington. In Washington state you can get a concealed weapons permit. You apply, have your prints taken, pay a fee, etc.

    Open carry is another law.

    I cannot remember past Open Carry laws in Washington state, (maybe my state was always open carry) but I'm pretty sure now it is Open Carry.

    There was a recently state court ruling on being able to Open Carry on state parks.

    If someone has a felony conviction they cannot own or possess a gun.

    A case that was ruled on 3 months ago got national attention, from my hometown.

    A father of 2, about 40, etc, broke into a school twenty years ago. That got him a felony burglary conviction.

    He and his family's house was burglarized, and he called the police to make a report. The cops saw a gun in the house, did a Crim Check, and arrested him and charged him with another felony, for being a felon in possession with a gun.

    It was his wife's gun, and it was proved in court.

    He was facing 3 years in prison.

    His argument, was that he thought his felony was stricken, and it was his wife's gun, anyway.

    He was found guilty.

    Luckily, the judge gave him only time served already. He had already spend 20-30 days in jail for it.

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