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I don't recall ever seeing a niqaab in Sydney. How times change. :rolleyes:
''I feel empowered by the knowledge that I am in control of displaying my beauty to whom I choose,'' she said.
Likewise, we feel empowered by knowing WHO you are when you commit the inevitable Muslim crime to show the civilized world what a TIT you are!!!
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this one doesn't appear to have eyes - or was she in a hurry and put it on backwards?
We travel to Malaysia fairly regularly, burqas etc I treat as more of a curiosity, but gf is simply scared of them. Maybe she's scared of Darth Vader too, but to her they are intimidating, doesn't like not being able to see a face.
^Isn't it the basic for communication between people in the society ? These people don't want to be part of our society, they shouldn't be allowed to live here if they don't share our way of living.Quote:
A facial expression results from one or more motions or positions of the muscles of the face. These movements convey the emotional state of the individual to observers. Facial expressions are a form of nonverbal communication. They are a primary means of conveying social information among humans
In Malaysia it's usually Middle East tourists that run around that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by genghis61
Even on the more conservative East Coast they're not that widespread.
Malaysia is heading for '2020', the National Front won't allow a radicalization of the Malaysian Muslims :)
That's reassuring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pol the Pot
Let's hope some education percolates down to some of the rural Muslims who struck me as being on a whole as beeing exceedingly ignorant.
I don't think it's education that will/ would be used exclusively. Add a large dose of the Internal Security Act, that's kept countless would- be disturbers in line.
Where Malaysia is heading has nothing to do with Malaysian Muslims. There may be moderate and radical Muslims, but there is only one Islam.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pol the Pot
Distinguish between the two, and it'll save a lot of unnecessary repetition.
Pakistan erupts over jailing of scientist Aafia Siddiqui
PAKISTANI police used tear gas to disperse protesters who shouted "Death to America" in outrage after a US court jailed a woman scientist for 86 years for attempting to murder US officers.
In a case that has been condemned across the nuclear-armed Muslim nation of 167 million, the government said it would petition Washington to secure the mother of three's repatriation on humanitarian grounds.
A New York court found Aafia Siddiqui, the once brilliant scientist dubbed "Lady Qaeda" by the US tabloids, guilty of the attempted murder of US military officers in Afghanistan in 2008 - five years after she disappeared.
In Karachi, Siddiqui's home town and Pakistan's largest city, police fired tear gas shells to prevent scores of people from marching on the US consulate at the behest of the youth wing of Islamist party Jamaat-e-Islami (JI).
The protesters shouted "Death to America", "Allahu akbar" (God is greater), "Free Aafia Siddiqui" and "Down with the US system of justice".
Hundreds of anti-riot police deployed on the main Shahra-e-Faisal Road to stop protesters from marching towards the US mission.
Police official Javed Akbar Qazi said police arrested at least 14 people for creating a disturbance. The protesters later dispersed peacefully.
Hundreds more took to the streets in Pakistan's second largest city of Lahore. Cricket hero-turned-politician Imran Khan led a rally to condemn the verdict as "unethical and inhuman", an AFP reporter said.
They condemned President Asif Ali Zardari and Khan, who heads the party Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (Pakistan Movement for Justice), warned that the verdict could fan anti-Americanism across Pakistan and the Muslim world.
Hundreds more rallied under the auspices of the JI in Lahore, shouting "Go America Go, Free Aafia Siddiqui".
"The judgement against Siddiqui is based on anti-Muslim policy of the US," said Liaqat Baluch, the senior JI leader who led the rally.
In Islamabad, police stopped dozens of Islamic students from marching on the US embassy to hand over a protest note. The crowd shouted "Crush America", "Siddiqui is our sister" and "We will bring her back".
Dozens of lawyers and activists blocked traffic in the central city of Multan, shouting "Down with America" and setting fire to an effigy of President Barack Obama and former Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf, an AFP reporter said.
Siddiqui, 38, who as a student excelled at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, was found guilty of grabbing a rifle at an Afghan police station where she was being interrogated in 2008 and of trying to shoot US servicemen.
Prosecutors said she picked up the weapon and opened fire on those servicemen and FBI representatives trying to take her into detention. She missed and in a struggle was herself shot by one of the US soldiers.
Defence lawyers argued there was no physical evidence, such as finger prints or gunpowder traces, to show Siddiqui even grabbed the rifle.
Siddiqui's lawyers have said they will appeal against the sentence and her family vowed to launch a "movement" to get her released from jail.
Pakistan erupts over jailing of scientist Aafia Siddiqui | The Daily Telegraph
Last week Pakistan was begging for more aid. Now it's death to America because a would-be Muslim murderer of infidels was prevented from completing her task.
How absurd must the dregs of humanity become before we set aside their rights to destroy us and stand up for our own rights to live as free people?
Pakistan is a failed state, a messed up nation and people and religion. May they rot in the embrace of their depraved god!
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Originally Posted by keda
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Muzzammil "Mo" Hassan stands by Julie Atti Rogers, one of his attorneys, during Friday's hearing.
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The trappings of civilization....!!! taqiya...
Retired general confesses to burning mosque to fire up public
A retired general who has recently been accused of having conducted an assassination attempt on the life of Turkey's eighth president, Turgut Ozal, has inadvertently confessed that he ordered the burning of a mosque as part of psychological warfare operations in 1974.
In remarks published in the Haber T'rk daily yesterday as part of an interview with Gen. Sabri Yirmibesoglu, who led the Special War Department in 1971 and also worked to mobilize civilian resistance during Turkey's military intervention on Cyprus in 1974, said: "In Special War, certain acts of sabotage are staged and blamed on the enemy to increase public resistance. We did this on Cyprus; we even burnt down a mosque." In response to the surprised correspondent's incredulous look the general said, "I am giving an example," in an attempt to clear things up.
...The confession brings to mind the Balyoz (Sledgehammer) coup plot, allegedly drafted by a clique in the military to undermine the government. Dozens of military officers were arrested, although most were later released during the investigation into the Sledgehammer document, which includes plans to bomb the Fatih and Beyaz't mosques and down a Turkish jet over the Aegean to fuel problems with Greece with the ultimate aim of discrediting the government...
Retired general confesses to burning mosque to fire up public
Fancy that, Muslims committing hate crimes against Islam to muster Muslim outrage and also to garner sympathy from the non-Muslims. Who would ever have thought that possible!
Oddly enough, these may not be crimes against Allah. It is clear that these acts were conceived to gain an advantage over the infidels, and according to Islamic law (sharia) any act committed for the furtherance of Islam is automatically forgiven by none other than Allah itself.
Things become so much easier when we naive Westerners learn about the warped Koranic interpretation of things that we take for granted through familiar usage.
I'd be more than happy if the military took over again in Turkey. Kemalism is what kept it secular and laisistic since WW I.
Can't see any other way, and the expected bloodbath would be more than worth it. But if it did kick off (unlikely to zero unless there's a general awakening of the fat and complacent snoozers) as a minority I would get out and fast, because the backlash will invariably fall to them and you can be sure the fair minded and tolerant Turks won't have the BBC reporting any atrocities.
Left as is, the 'civilised' way, will have the West stand by pumping money and concessions and sweet words into the kitty as Turkey moves towards a full blown basket case. More intriguing is that Europe continues carrot talking with the rabid Turkish elite on renewed hints of membership, which would open the floodgates and lead to its downfall.
I'm all for self sacrifice as a virtue in some circles, but if that's what the Liberals want then they should have the courage to do the world that favour without forcing everyone else to go along for the ride.
Islamization is not the issue in Turkey
Turkey is unlikely to succumb to political Islam for at least four structural reasons, and none have to do with the Kemalist military.
First, Turkey has a tradition of state supremacy over Islam that predates the modern republic. In many ways, the Ottoman Empire and state tradition was based on political supremacy over Islam....
The second reason Islamic rule is impossible in modern Turkey is the country’s long history of democratization, going back to 19th century constitutionalism. Democracy is the best antidote to political Islam....
The third reason Turkey will not witness the emergence of Shariah law is because it has a vibrant middle class that benefits from globalization, capitalism and democratic stability....
Finally, the fourth reason fundamentalism is not in Turkey’s future is because Turkish Islam has a healthy dose of Sufism. This brings a social, cultural and mystical dimension to Turkish Islam at the expense of a radical political agenda.
Islamization is not the issue in Turkey- ÖMER TA
Turkey has more chance of being taken over by it's awful football hooligans than it does of becoming an Islamic Republic. :rolleyes:
All true, Sabang, but I fear things of the past.
The Turkish PM recently triumphed big time with his push to take over the courts in a referendum (my interpretation). Once you control the two branches, executive and judicial, you've got the country in your pocket. It might be just at the consolidation stage now but I fear the worst.
The Hajib, Burqa, Vei, or Niqaab are all representations of a cult.
The cult is called Islam.
Period.
Chechnya Coerces Women on Dress, Activists Say
MOSCOW — Women in Chechnya are under pressure to adopt Islamic dress, according to human rights activists and an Islamic fundamentalist video circulating on the Internet in the latest example of deteriorating women’s rights under Ramzan A. Kadyrov, the president of the restive southern Russian republic.
Activists in Chechnya, where Russia has waged two wars against separatists in the past 16 years, said intimidation reached a peak during the fasting month of Ramadan. There was also a crackdown on violations of Islamic law such as the sale of food before sundown and any sale of alcohol, they said.
The activists who spoke from Chechnya insisted on anonymity because they said they feared reprisals.
Threats tapered off, they said, as Ramadan ended in mid-September. Men in Islamic clothes had been approaching women whom they deemed unsuitably dressed to pull them by the arm, an offense according to Chechen custom.
Read the rest at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/wo..._r=2&ref=world
Apologists insist that Muslim women in the West wear Islamic dress freely and proudly. Nothing new here, since they also go down insisting that Islam is compatible with civilised values.
So here's a question for the apologists: Are these Chechnyans just another "small minority" of Muslims that misunderstand the message of Islam? My guess is they understand Islam better than the apologists would care to.
What's your definition of a cult?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tunaka
We know that Indonesia is a fine example of a modern, moderate Muslim nation because KW keeps insisting it is. Poor guy lives in a dream there, so he doesn't have much choice in the matter. Anyway, we should be grateful for his contribution to Mankind by proving that Muslims are peaceful people, and he did this by walking smartly past a Muslim-owned deli twice without being beheaded even once; or so he claims.
American to Appear in Indonesian Court for Allegedly Blaspheming Islam
Lombok. A United States citizen residing on the Indonesian island of Lombok will appear in court "within two or three days" on charges of blaspheming Islam, police said on Tuesday.
Central Lombok Police said the dossier of Greg Luke, 64, from California, had been accepted by the Praya District Prosecutor's Office.
The charges stem from an incident in which police claim the Californian entered a mosque near his house in Kuta, turned down its speakers and insulted Islam. Luke was attacked by a rampaging mob and his home and contents destroyed or stolen in the aftermath.
Nurkholis, head of the prosecutor office's general crimes section, confirmed they had received the case file.
"Within two or three days, the US citizen will appear in court on two charges. The first is blasphemy and the second is unpleasant conduct," Nurkholis said.
"The unpleasant conduct is because he is alleged to have unplugged and damaged the mosque microphone, which locals used for reciting the Koran," he said.
The nature of the blasphemy charge remains unclear.
Luke has vigorously denied the charges, saying he was assaulted without stepping foot in the mosque....
American to Appear in Indonesian Court for Allegedly Blaspheming Islam | The Jakarta Globe
Quite aside from my suggestion in the 'rampaging Muslim villagers' thread that if some bright spark comes up with the word 'blasphemy' in this non-sharia region things wouldn't look good for the accused, which really upset the Big Knob, it seems now someone has indeed found the right word for use in this respectable moderate non-sharia nation.
It may also turn out that of the two options I proposed for this guy, get the hell out or convert to Islam, the first is or will be scotched once he is formally charged and that leaves conversion (or face the muzak) on his shortlist, after which his earlier transgressions will be forgiven and he may be allowed to return in peace to his home as a Muslim. In this case, he will have also elevated himself in the eyes of Allah to that of superiority over the non-Muslims in his expat community.
His only other hopes aside from a real thick wad of cash, which Allah won't notice, is that the international community makes enough noise or his embassy steps up with diplomatic pressure or concessions or sweet words about the tolerant and compassionate Indos.
Anyway, here is another example why Islam is incompatible with Western or civilised values, and though our Indotards squawk that the country is secular, so do Thais squawk that Thailand is democratic.
Could be wrong but it looks like the charges laid may be on the lines of the Turkish (another moderate Muslim nation) code that makes it a crime to 'offend Turkishness,' or a watered down version of the infamous Paki Section-295 (296/7?) that includes as full fledged blasphemy anything that may offend religious feelings, including but not limited to touching the Koran with unclean hands.
Meanwhile, someone in the 'rampaging villagers' thread questioned whether the German's (?) actions re: his missing statue head justified burning and looting of his property. I answered then as now that yes it does, because a frenzied mob is enough justification for whatever they want to do, and even if they weren't 'blasphemed' against at the time they obviously knew this neat package could be taken off the back burner. Villagers should be excused from rationality, esp when they bring god into an equation.
And let's close with some good advice for the inbreds that live among savages but would be surprised if they act like savages: Don't be!
The population of Chechnya is 1.1 million. It is a small, unruly Province noted for Terrorists and particularly violent organised criminals.Quote:
Originally Posted by keda
Chechnya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The population of Syria is 22 million. It is a nation.
Syria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Syria recently banned the wearing of the burqa in public places.
This just reinforces the fact that Islam is not a tolerant lifestyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by keda
As Islam spreads, the world will not move forward, but devolve.
There are many definitions. Most are similar. I presume you disagree with my statement. Better to agree to disagree, as we won't be changing each other's mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pol the PotWhat's your definition of a cult?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tunaka
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by TunakaThere are many definitions. Most are similar. I presume you disagree with my statement. Better to agree to disagree, as we won't be changing each other's mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pol the PotWhat's your definition of a cult?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tunaka
Perhaps Those Giving Such Strong Opinions Might State Their Religion First Up.as My Dear Old Dad Used To Say Dont Argue About Football Or Religion As No One Can Win That Fight. Tolerance Is Essential Unless One Party Tries To Force Their Views On You. The Unfortunate Aspect Is Our Democratic System Is To Tolerant Of Extremists And We Pay The Price For That.