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Here's a few fun quizzes for those interested:
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The Bible Vs. The Crystal Ball Quiz!
The Bible Sex Quiz | Part III
Role Of Women Bible Quiz!
Bible Logic Quiz | New Testament
God's Holy Hijinks | Bible Quiz
The Bible Poop Quiz
A few of my favourites:
The Bible Slavery Quiz
Are You Going To Hell? Take This New Testament Quiz and Find Out!
Bible Sex Quiz!
But the killer is:
Whose God is More Vicious? Quiz
Play the dumb innocent, and still you get the benefit of no doubt whatever...Quote:
Originally Posted by AntRobertson
I'm not dodging anything because there's simply nothing to dodge. It's merely more of the same product from your exceptionally small mind and paranoid-delusional rantings and ravings. That you actually seem to expect me to dignify it with a response just shows how unhinged and divorced from reality you're.Quote:
Originally Posted by keda
You keep arsing on about these "persistent lies and false accusations" yet, ironically enough, offer nothing more in support of them than merely repeating it over and over. Where's your proof, keda.
You have twice falsely and maliciously accused me of attacking your family. I ignored you the first time you began to squeal, you persisted, so I challenged you to publish your cause for the allegation, at which point you backed seamlessly into the shadows. The second time, recently, you accused me and I again invited you to publish, at which point you chose to dilute my "attack on your family", which most fully grown adults would deem very relevant - as you yourself did - to "irrelevant comments" about your family. When I asked you to explain your unusual generosity, you shrugged it off and have since evaded my attempts to prise a coherent response out of you. Instead, you chose your usual course of launching into ad hominem whilst protesting my ad hominem; this is in line with your persistent, contemptible cowardly evasions. Note also that you falsely accused the original offending poster of threatening that "Muslims would attack your kids. Another brazen lie which I have already pointed out, especially since the offending post was directed at the collective you and not you personally. Quite simply, you snatched at the opportunity of his post and my response, both of which were subsequently deleted by a user-friendly mod, and blew it out of proportion with a tissue of lies to manufacture cause for righteous indignation.
Was it also a lie or just another irrelevant comment you made when gallantly claiming you would not red anyone who has you on ignore because, quote, "what's the point?" If "subjective facts" were to play any part of your online persona aside from hypocritically promoting it as a tool only for others, you used to red me and frequently whilst I had you on ignore. If this has also slipped your mind, I'm sure others will recall since it was one of the many threads on the abominations of you, your ego, and your conduct on this board.
You still haven't responded to the 'allegation' of your statement to the effect that you would not return to TD. It would be interesting to get a straight answer from you, and without running around the houses.
Lastly, for now, you seem to enjoy being one of 'the boys' when it comes to calling people liars. Don't get me wrong, I do not underestimate your passion for intimidation and mud slinging even without being cheered on. Still, you promote your own integrity as beyond reproach, so just to clear the air, it would be nice to know if you have lied on this board, or to any active or inactive member offboard.
Oh gosh, does it have to be 20? Would 18 be ok? 16?Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0bCan you quote some of this multitude of vulgar passages about Mohammed's sex life, Keda? Say 20, should be easy as a multitude means a large number. Even two or three of these detailed, vulgar, juicy passages about Mohammed's sex life would be interesting to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by keda
For someone who speaks and reads Arabic, you sure seem to be rather naive if not surprisingly ignorant about the most popular texts in the history of that language. Otoh, as a Muslim 'intellectual' or 'apologist', that would more or less explain your position.
Btw my Thai is nothing special, but far better than my Arabic.
No I didn't keda and I've already explained this to you more times than you deserve, even here in this very same thread. That's merely what you've twisted it into in that dememted little mind of yours despite the objective facts of it all - it's just what you do. You're neither very bright nor particularly honest, a combination that sees you repeatedly aiming misguided blows at windmills.Quote:
Originally Posted by keda
:rofl: Give over you poisonous little dwarf, this is what, the umpteenth rant you've gone off on about it and I'm blowing it out of proportion!? You're demented. And not forgetting too mention:Quote:
blew it out of proportion
you're even still on about that!? Get over it keda, there's obsessive and then there's obsessive.Quote:
you used to red me and frequently whilst I had you on ignore
Besides, how would you know I was redding you if you had me on ignore? :mid: Oh that's right, you counted you repo points or took me off occasionally to check - all the while whilst repeatedly posting about me - which of course means you never actually had me on ignore in the first place.
Fact is keda, you've repeatedly demonstrated on here that you have a tenuous relationship at best with the truth (and, increasingly, reality).Link?Quote:
You still haven't responded to the 'allegation' of your statement to the effect that you would not return to TD. It would be interesting to get a straight answer from you, and without running around the houses.
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Originally Posted by DrB0b
Any response to this, Keda? You've gone uncharacteristically quiet.
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Originally Posted by AntRobertson
Yep, and there it is. I for one can no longer even feign surprise. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by keda
So actually you are saying that you can't, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by keda
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Originally Posted by kedaOh gosh, does it have to be 20? Would 18 be ok? 16?Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0bCan you quote some of this multitude of vulgar passages about Mohammed's sex life, Keda? Say 20, should be easy as a multitude means a large number. Even two or three of these detailed, vulgar, juicy passages about Mohammed's sex life would be interesting to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by keda
For someone who speaks and reads Arabic, you sure seem to be rather naive if not surprisingly ignorant about the most popular texts in the history of that language. Otoh, as a Muslim 'intellectual' or 'apologist', that would more or less explain your position.
As far as I can work out from your rather weird reply to my very reasonable query you're saying that despite your claims of multitudes of detailed and vulgar passages in the Koran about mohammed's sex life you're not actually able to provide any examples. How odd, surely you must have known what they were when you made the claim?
How can we realy know ? Is there such a thing as a real translation of the Koran in english ? No one likes to loose his head for a true translation (except HtG).Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
For example: according to Christoph Luxenberg Virgins meant Raisins
so maybe Allah/God meant Vagina
Indeed, those who submit themselves absolutely to a vagina alone, while leading a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Wife/Lord; they have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve
Think about it and take verses from Koran and substitute Allah for Vagina.
We could read Arabic. Failing that, people could just admit they don't know, if they can't really know then how can they comment on the contents?Quote:
Originally Posted by HermantheGermanHow can we realy know ? Is there such a thing as a real translation of the Koran in english ? No one likes to loose his head for a true translation (except HtG).Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
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Anyway, there are plenty of good translations of the Koran. When people (sane people that is, not the type who behead others for translating) say the Koran can't be translated properly what they're saying is that the literary structure of the Koran (it's written as poetry) can't be translated, not the words.
Link? - dozens of them, but unlike you I do not maintain a database of potentially useful stuff against my cyberenemies. The fact that you still avoid a direct response, even after such a long time, says much.Quote:
Originally Posted by AntRobertsonNo I didn't keda and I've already explained this to you more times than you deserve, even here in this very same thread. That's merely what you've twisted it into in that dememted little mind of yours despite the objective facts of it all - it's just what you do. You're neither very bright nor particularly honest, a combination that sees you repeatedly aiming misguided blows at windmills.Quote:
Originally Posted by keda
:rofl: Give over you poisonous little dwarf, this is what, the umpteenth rant you've gone off on about it and I'm blowing it out of proportion!? You're demented. And not forgetting too mention:Quote:
blew it out of proportion
you're even still on about that!? Get over it keda, there's obsessive and then there's obsessive.Quote:
you used to red me and frequently whilst I had you on ignore
Besides, how would you know I was redding you if you had me on ignore? :mid: Oh that's right, you counted you repo points or took me off occasionally to check - all the while whilst repeatedly posting about me - which of course means you never actually had me on ignore in the first place.
Fact is keda, you've repeatedly demonstrated on here that you have a tenuous relationship at best with the truth (and, increasingly, reality).Link?Quote:
You still haven't responded to the 'allegation' of your statement to the effect that you would not return to TD. It would be interesting to get a straight answer from you, and without running around the houses.
You have answered nothing in your post. Fact is and whether it suits you or not, you falsely accused me, twice, and each time you were called out you went into scarper mode whilst firing off diversions. Are you now saying you did not twice accuse me of attacking your family, or that you have never accuse me of attacking your family? Will you surprise everyone with a straight answer?
Never mind about demented little minds et al, though coming from you it's clearly not an ad hominem, just another cowardly evasion of unpalatable facts.
It was known on the board that I had you on ignore, and it should have come as no surprise that slime like you took advantage of that to get in that extra blow that might destroy one of your many enemies. Now you squirm by insisting it's not possible that I had you on ignore...just like the first time I had you blocked.
You don't pass the smell test, insect. You lied then and you're lying now, not just about this but also the whimsical accusations you have made against me, which you now deny.
Don't fret, I have that - among others...only, the doc (and his sidekick the insect) asked for links and expects them immediately so he makes himself sound good by braying at the delay.Quote:
Originally Posted by the dogcatcher
I prefer to take my time. It's not like the Islamic holy texts are going to change anytime soon. ;)
If you say so, though of course when it appears you'll join the other inbreds in clinging to a word or phrase whilst ignoring the substance...just like you (and they) ignored the posts on Islams respect and equality for women (which btw is far from over).Quote:
Originally Posted by slackula
Well if there's so many links then it shouldn't be too much trouble for you to post one should it. Unless, maybe, it's simply easier for you to continue to repeat the same unsubstantiated bollocks; a lie repeated often enough and all that. :mid:Quote:
Originally Posted by keda
Oh, and I don't keep a database of anything on here. That's merely another product of your overactive imagination I'm afraid.I've answered you plenty keda, more than your delusional ramblings warrant actually, more than is reasonable. I don't owe you an explanation for a series of unspecified/unsubstantiated/invented accusations that you make about me on an internet forum simply because you think I do.Quote:
You have answered nothing in your post. Fact is and whether it suits you or not, you falsely accused me, twice, and each time you were called out you went into scarper mode whilst firing off diversions. Are you now saying you did not twice accuse me of attacking your family, or that you have never accuse me of attacking your family? Will you surprise everyone with a straight answer?
So what I'm saying is that I've already explained this to you even right here in this very thread. But apparently you'd rather I restate it (again... and then again...) than go back and simply look for yourself. That you still don't get it - don't want to, more likely - isn't my problem. Get over it.... :rofl: What the hell are you rambling on about you demented old fool!?Quote:
It was known on the board that I had you on ignore, and it should have come as no surprise that slime like you took advantage of that to get in that extra blow that might destroy one of your many enemies. Now you squirm by insisting it's not possible that I had you on ignore...just like the first time I had you blocked.
You don't pass the smell test, insect. You lied then and you're lying now, not just about this but also the whimsical accusations you have made against me, which you now deny.
You really do put an inordinate amount of stock in the repo system don't you. :)
I posted a link. You picked up on the word (see previous post) 'multitude' from that link whilst carefully ignoring the rest of the post, and asked me to justify it with examples. They will come, though I suggest you, the insect and spatula, continue thumping the table impatiently, if you believe it makes you look good.Quote:
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Originally Posted by kedaOh gosh, does it have to be 20? Would 18 be ok? 16?Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0bCan you quote some of this multitude of vulgar passages about Mohammed's sex life, Keda? Say 20, should be easy as a multitude means a large number. Even two or three of these detailed, vulgar, juicy passages about Mohammed's sex life would be interesting to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by keda
For someone who speaks and reads Arabic, you sure seem to be rather naive if not surprisingly ignorant about the most popular texts in the history of that language. Otoh, as a Muslim 'intellectual' or 'apologist', that would more or less explain your position.
As far as I can work out from your rather weird reply to my very reasonable query you're saying that despite your claims of multitudes of detailed and vulgar passages in the Koran about mohammed's sex life you're not actually able to provide any examples. How odd, surely you must have known what they were when you made the claim?
What's it got to do with looking good? Surely you're able to provide a few examples to back up what you say? The word "multitudes" is yours, it has a meaning, if you don't mean "multitudes" or "vulgar" or "detailed" then don't use the words, it makes you look like you have absolutely no credibility when you do things like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by kedaI posted a link. You picked up on the word (see previous post) 'multitude' from that link whilst carefully ignoring the rest of the post, and asked me to justify it with examples. They will come, though I suggest you, the insect and spatula, continue thumping the table impatiently, if you believe it makes you look good.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0bQuote:
Originally Posted by kedaOh gosh, does it have to be 20? Would 18 be ok? 16?Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0bCan you quote some of this multitude of vulgar passages about Mohammed's sex life, Keda? Say 20, should be easy as a multitude means a large number. Even two or three of these detailed, vulgar, juicy passages about Mohammed's sex life would be interesting to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by keda
For someone who speaks and reads Arabic, you sure seem to be rather naive if not surprisingly ignorant about the most popular texts in the history of that language. Otoh, as a Muslim 'intellectual' or 'apologist', that would more or less explain your position.
As far as I can work out from your rather weird reply to my very reasonable query you're saying that despite your claims of multitudes of detailed and vulgar passages in the Koran about mohammed's sex life you're not actually able to provide any examples. How odd, surely you must have known what they were when you made the claim?
Your exact words were
I'm simply asking you to back up what YOU said. If you aren't already able to back it up why did you write those words? I am simply asking a question based on what you posted. It may not be a question you like but it is relevant and is based ONLY on what YOU posted and is asking you to clarify something YOU posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keda
I'm asking you politely to expand on what you said yet you respond with name-calling, insults and evasions, why is that?
If as you say you speak, read and write Arabic, then you know more of the language than I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0bWe could read Arabic. Failing that, people could just admit they don't know, if they can't really know then how can they comment on the contents?Quote:
Originally Posted by HermantheGermanHow can we realy know ? Is there such a thing as a real translation of the Koran in english ? No one likes to loose his head for a true translation (except HtG).Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
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Anyway, there are plenty of good translations of the Koran. When people (sane people that is, not the type who behead others for translating) say the Koran can't be translated properly what they're saying is that the literary structure of the Koran (it's written as poetry) can't be translated, not the words.
Let's avoid any misunderstanding in regard to your claim that there are many good translations of the Koran. Are you saying that a 'good translation' (of which you can provide examples) will give non-Arabic users a 'good translation' of what the Koran says? It seems that's your claim, though it's only right to be sure, since this is at odds with certain more reputable Islamic academics than a doc on an internet board. If there is anything unreasonable about this observation, please let me know.
So, can Koranic 'poetry' be accurately translated into another language, or will enough be lost in translation so that non-Arabic users cannot properly understand its message?
I will answer your questions after you answer mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by kedaIf as you say you speak, read and write Arabic, then you know more of the language than I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0bWe could read Arabic. Failing that, people could just admit they don't know, if they can't really know then how can they comment on the contents?Quote:
Originally Posted by HermantheGermanHow can we realy know ? Is there such a thing as a real translation of the Koran in english ? No one likes to loose his head for a true translation (except HtG).Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
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Anyway, there are plenty of good translations of the Koran. When people (sane people that is, not the type who behead others for translating) say the Koran can't be translated properly what they're saying is that the literary structure of the Koran (it's written as poetry) can't be translated, not the words.
Let's avoid any misunderstanding in regard to your claim that there are many good translations of the Koran. Are you saying that a 'good translation' (of which you can provide examples) will give non-Arabic users a 'good translation' of what the Koran says? It seems that's your claim, though it's only right to be sure, since this is at odds with certain more reputable Islamic academics than a doc on an internet board. If there is anything unreasonable about this observation, please let me know.
So, can Koranic 'poetry' be accurately translated into another language, or will enough be lost in translation so that non-Arabic users cannot properly understand its message?
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Originally Posted by DrB0b
5555 - Fire away, as another cowardly diversion to avoid confronting your lies. Are you saying that you did not twice accuse me of attacking your family, or that you have never even once accused me of attacking your family? A straight answer, if you please.Quote:
Originally Posted by AntRobertsonWell if there's so many links then it shouldn't be too much trouble for you to post one should it. Unless, maybe, it's simply easier for you to continue to repeat the same unsubstantiated bollocks; a lie repeated often enough and all that. :mid:Quote:
Originally Posted by keda
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Originally Posted by keda
Where did you answer? If as you say you do not owe me an explanation, then why should you in any case answer?Quote:
Originally Posted by antrobertson
Either my claim that you lied in falsely accusing me is wrong, in which case you should come straight out and say so, or your armour plated ego is buckling. Which is it?
Get over what? Fact is, you're the board's disruptive bullyboy, throw your weight around whilst strewing false accusations with impunity, and feel safe in knowing nobody is allowed to challenge you upfront because that's not the way things work around here.Quote:
Get over it.
I'm looking for no more than you to address my charges that you lied, both on repo and that you would not return to TD, and also that you falsely accused me of attacking your family? It's you that keeps telling others about the value of 'objective facts', so why do you avoid them? Quite simply, you claimed that I attacked your family, in which case it should be me on the defensive, not you. So, only 4 lies that you've been caught out on, but that's ok because it's only 4 lies you need to dodge, by evasion, cornered offence, or by hiding in the safety of a mob.
More ad hominem as you tiddle your pants in the shadows, or is ad hominem improper only when indulged by others?Quote:
What the hell are you rambling on about you demented old fool!?
On the contrary, spin it as you wish because many posters know you and the way you operate, but it was you on the ego trip then as it has been since. I stood to gain nothing by my thread beyond showing you up for the slimeball you are, which older posters may recall, esp those that took up my offer.Quote:
You really do put an inordinate amount of stock in the repo system don't you. :)
Is it mine, or is it from the link I posted? Or are you saying that the poster of a link is responsible for everything that's on the linked site?Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
No matter, since you asked I have picked up even more filth about the evil ideology of Islam that I did not know about before.
Were those "my exact words", doc, or were they the words compiled by someone at the link that I posted?Quote:
Originally Posted by drbob
Again, you seem to be clinging to the words I wrote, rather than the words I posted from a link. So, did I write those words?Quote:
I'm simply asking you to back up what YOU said. If you aren't already able to back it up why did you write those words? I am simply asking a question based on what you posted. It may not be a question you like but it is relevant and is based ONLY on what YOU posted and is asking you to clarify something YOU posted.
No matter, Sex in Islam is anyway a suitable topic to follow Respect and Equality for Women in Islam. Only, is it ok if I take time to format and prepare before posting, or should everything arrive on demand?
You really are quite 'fick aren't you keda. I'm asking you for links to corroborate and substantiate your accusations and claims. Yet, despite your assertion that there are "dozens of them", you seem entirely reluctant, reticent, or simply unable to come up with the goods. I wonder why that is. :mid:Quote:
Originally Posted by keda5555 - Fire away, as another cowardly diversion to avoid confronting your lies. Are you saying that you did not twice accuse me of attacking your family, or that you have never even once accused me of attacking your family? A straight answer, if you please.Quote:
Originally Posted by AntRobertsonWell if there's so many links then it shouldn't be too much trouble for you to post one should it. Unless, maybe, it's simply easier for you to continue to repeat the same unsubstantiated bollocks; a lie repeated often enough and all that. :mid:Quote:
Originally Posted by keda
So accuse me of diversions all you like, I'm not the one struggling to read and comprehend plain English nor to back up something I've said - the last few pages of this thread and your responses to both myself and DrBob make it clear that you on the other hand are.*Sigh* keda, your claim is - for the umpteenth time - wrong. Happy now? Can we move onto the next distortion of yours?Quote:
Either my claim that you lied in falsely accusing me is wrong, in which case you should come straight out and say so, or your armour plated ego is buckling. Which is it?
Link(s)?Quote:
I'm looking for no more than you to address my charges that you lied, both on repo and that you would not return to TD, and also that you falsely accused me of attacking your family?
You claimed to have had me on ignore, and then claimed to have noiced your repo points dropping (which means you actually count them in the first place :)), and then made the silly claim that you'd never redded anyone despite the evidence to the contrary. So all your thread at the time showed, and what you are underlining now, is yes keda, you're really rather obsessed with the whole repo thing. Bizarrely and pathetically so actually.Quote:
On the contrary, spin it as you wish because many posters know you and the way you operate, but it was you on the ego trip then as it has been since. I stood to gain nothing by my thread beyond showing you up for the slimeball you are, which older posters may recall, esp those that took up my offer.
That's a valid question actually, did you write those words. Because if you didn't write them what you most certainly did was present them as though you had.Quote:
Originally Posted by keda
Plagiarism it's called.
So you disagree with what you posted? Why did you post it then? Why don't you write something yourself? Pretty much all you've written on this thread could have been summed up asQuote:
Originally Posted by kedaIs it mine, or is it from the link I posted? Or are you saying that the poster of a link is responsible for everything that's on the linked site?Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
No matter, since you asked I have picked up even more filth about the evil ideology of Islam that I did not know about before.
Were those "my exact words", doc, or were they the words compiled by someone at the link that I posted?Quote:
Originally Posted by drbob
Again, you seem to be clinging to the words I wrote, rather than the words I posted from a link. So, did I write those words?Quote:
I'm simply asking you to back up what YOU said. If you aren't already able to back it up why did you write those words? I am simply asking a question based on what you posted. It may not be a question you like but it is relevant and is based ONLY on what YOU posted and is asking you to clarify something YOU posted.
No matter, Sex in Islam is anyway a suitable topic to follow Respect and Equality for Women in Islam. Only, is it ok if I take time to format and prepare before posting, or should everything arrive on demand?
Your habit of not separating your own comments from what you've cut and pasted is very confusing, how is anybody meant to know what you've written and what you've copied?Quote:
Originally Posted by Keda
You do seem to agree with what you've posted and I was doing you the courtesy of assuming that you'd posted it because you'd actually thought about the issues rather than just finding somebody else's writings that bolstered your pre-conceived and unthought-out opinions. Was I wrong to assume that? Should I just assume that you haven't actually put any thought into this subject at all and that really you're just searching for writings that confirm your opinion that Islam is evil?
Oddly, though, I've checked the religion of peace website for the quote I was querying
and it doesn't seem to be there. I've also done a web search for the quote and the only results point back to your post and my response. Why do you think that is? It certainly looks like you wrote it and that it wasn't a quote from somewhere else. So, yes, I'd say that the quote is yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keda
Oh, and before you go off on a tangent again, the topic I asked you about was
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Originally Posted by Keda
Islam stands or falls with Muhammad, on the strength of its unbending doctrine that his words and deeds provide the perfect, universal standard of morality, and for all time and all men.
There is no compromise on perfection; something either is perfect or it isn’t.
My argument is that in its current condition of intransigence - Islam must fall, since Mohamed was not perfect and any flaw in his character, words or deeds is sufficient proof.
Islam and Sex (part 1)
Mohamed had sex with just about anyone he pleased. This is thanks to Allah's extraordinary interest in his sex life, as immortalized in the Koran (and other sacred texts). Apparently this holy book has little space for topics like universal love and brotherhood, though Muslims insist it is rife with words of love, peace, tolerance, and harmony.
Mohamed allowed his followers to own up to 4 wives, and any number of slave girls, which were plentiful as Islam expanded. He had 13 wives, including eleven at one time, by special dispensation he claimed directly through revelations from Allah. Accounts vary as to how many wives he would ‘visit’ at night, some claiming one on consecutive days, and others that he used to 'visit' them all in one night. More likely is a balance, he 'visited' each wife in order, perhaps some imbalanced by preference or availability (menstruation), and he used to 'visit' any number from one to all them on nights of special need, and strength. Slave girls don’t count.
We know Mohamed married a 6-year-old, and though Islam even today allows for non-vaginal sex (rubbing, oral, etc) with an 'underage' wife (less than 9), he did not consummate the marriage until she came of age. As a bonus, he also had the choice of many slave girls and concubines, sometimes on the very day they had watched their husbands and fathers executed on his order.
By any reasonable measure, the founder of the world's most sexually restrictive ideology was also one of the most sexually indulgent characters in history.
Whenever the ‘free thinkers’ around him questioned his excesses, Allah would cooperate with a "revelation" to sanction Mohamed's pursuit of sexual gluttony. These have been immortalised in the perfect, eternal, infallible word of the Koran, which does little beyond shackle Muslims to the dark ages.
Koran (33:37) - "But when Zaid had accomplished his want of her, We gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah's command shall be performed."
This is one of the many "revelations of convenience" that Allah handed down when Mohamed needed divine inspiration, this time to satisfy his lust of Zaynab; his daughter-in-law, the wife of his adopted son. At first it disturbed local customs, but his minions were soon persuaded that the verse actually "commands" him to marry her, and Zaid graciously divorced her so that the prophet of Allah could fulfill his desires.
Sirat Al-Halabi also grants Mohamed access to any woman, even against her will, and even if she was already married, in which case her husband was compelled to divorce her. More on that later.
Koran (33:50) - "O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses [female slaves] out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you."
This translation sounds like another convenient revelation produced by Mohamed to allow him virtually unlimited sex, divinely sanctioned by Allah, and with any female that turned him on. As with other timely "revelations of convenience", this one also allayed concerns in his community over the most moral person’s overt hedonism.
Perhaps someone familiar with the nuances of poetic Arabic could give an opinion, because this may mean something entirely different in that language.
Koran (33:51) - "You may put off whom you please of them, and you may take to you whom you please, and whom you desire of those whom you had separated provisionally; no blame attaches to you; this is most proper, so that their eyes may be cool and they may not grieve, and that they should be pleased."
This verse relates to a situation in which Mohamed's wives complained about his preference for sleeping with a slave girl (Mary the Copt) instead of them. Accordingly, Mohamed had no choice but to follow the command of Allah, which was the god-given right to sleep with any of his wives or slave girls without hearing the others complain.
Koran (66:1-5) - "O Prophet! Why ban thou that which Allah hath made lawful for thee, seeking to please thy wives?"
This remarkable connivance concerns another episode in which Mohamed's wives were jealous of the attention that he was giving to a Christian slave girl. As he pointed out to them, it would be against the will of Allah for him to neglect the sexual availability of his slaves!
Koran (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those whom your right hands possess (captives)."
Allah sanctioned Mohamed and his men to have sex with married slaves, such as those captured in battle, even when their husbands (and parents) were slaughtered on the same day and in front of them.
Bukhari (62:18) - Aisha's father, Abu Bakr, resisted at first, but relented when Mohamed explained how the rules of their religion made it permissible. This is similar to methods used by present-day cult leaders to manipulate their seduced followers into concessions; explain that god wants it that way.
The girl (Aisha) took her dolls with her to Mohamed's house. - Muslim (8:3311)
Something to play with when she was not having sex with her owner?
Mohamed would take a bath with the girl (Aisha) and fondle her. - Bukhari (6:298)
The prophet of Allah fondling a 6-, 7-, 8-year-old? Surely nothing vulgar about that; they’re married, after all, even if the marriage has not yet been consummated.
Mohamed asks one of his followers who had married an older woman: "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you could sport with her and she could sport with you, or you could amuse with her and she could amuse with you?" - Muslim (8:3460)
I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that 'Aisha had said, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them. - Bukhari (1:4:229/231) - Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun
Mohamed's wives had to be available for the prophet's fondling even when they were menstruating. - Bukhari (6:300)
Mohamed would recite the 'Holy Koran' with his head in Aisha's lap, when she was menstruating. - Bukhari (93:639)
Muslim women are considered ‘unclean’ during menstruation.
“Mohamed used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say the Prophet was given the strength of thirty men." - Bukhari (5:268, 62:6)
Mohamed had special rules that allowed him many wives. His successors, as leaders of Islam, also had more than the four wives allowed to common Muslims.
Mohamed's sexual antics are an embarrassment to those Muslims that are aware of them, in particular the perfect man's consummation of marriage to Aisha when she was 9-years-old. The thought of a 52-year-old man bathing, fondling, sleeping and screwing with a 9-year-old is unpleasant enough and reflects the disgusting character of a sexual fiend rather than a holy man. The thought of the same perfect man having non-vaginal sex with a girl between her ages of 6 and 9, are at the depths of human depravity, though it is divinely sanctioned and therefore perfectly acceptable to Muslim males even today.
One protection is denial, and some Muslims deny the authenticity of such hadiths. In doing so, they unwittingly reject the notion of Islamic perfection. Pin them down, point out that the holy Islamic texts are either perfect or they are not perfect, and they will likely insist the texts are perfect and then invoke Plan B, that yours is a mistranslation.
The accounts of Mohamed sleeping with a 6-year-old and vaginally penetrating her at age 9, are as important as those upon which the five pillars of Islam are based. These are an accepted part of Islamic tradition and did not become controversial until recent times, as society began to change with the modern age.
Islam cannot reconcile such disgusting activities with the decencies of the modern age.
http://www.binoria.org/q&a/miscellan...ml#possessions
Top Saudi cleric: OK for young girls to wed - CNN.com
Islam Review - Presented by The Pen vs. the Sword Featured Articles . . . Islam: the Facade, the Facts The rosy picture some Muslims are painting about their religion, and the truth they try to hide.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Qu...s-sex-life.htm
Hadith of Bukhari, Volume 1 index
Hadith of Bukhari, Volume 2 index
Hadith of Bukhari, Volume 3 index
Hadith of Bukhari, Volume 4 index
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Father Zakaria Botros on “The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet” Thoughts Of A Conservative Christian
The Authorized English Translation of the Quran, Sura - 65 Divorce (Al-Talaaq), translated from the original by Dr. Rashad Khalifa, Ph.D.-Quran, Koran, Qur'an, Quranic topics, Index, Browser, several translations, discussions, debates, Authorized Eng
Just over a year ago, a Saudi judge refused to annul the marriage of an 8-year-old girl to a 47-year-old man, despite the fact that the girl was given over to the man in settlement of a debt.
At around the same time, Saudi’s top cleric Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al-Sheikh said it is ok for a girl age 10 to get married, and those who think this is too young are not just wrong but also being unfair to the girl.
This is the type of thing people have come to expect from Islam, and not unexpectedly the Saudi Ministry of Justice made no public comment on either of these matters.
Keda, Many of the quotes above are inaccurate. Some of them don't even exist. Some of them have been deliberately altered. For example, this
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and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers
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also, if a believing woman gave herself to the prophet - by forfeiting the dowry - the prophet may marry her without a dowry, if he so wishes. However, her forfeiting of the dowry applies only to the prophet, and not to the other believers. We have already decreed their rights in regard to their spouses or what they already have.
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Beyond the categories described to you, you are enjoined from marrying any other women, nor can you substitute a new wife (from the prohibited categories), no matter how much you admire their beauty. You must be content with those already made lawful to you.
It's impossible to take what you've posted seriously, it is not only inaccurate in many places and not only are some of the quotes false but whoever wrote it has deliberately altered quotes to reflect their own view. As for the "interpretations" given, they would shame a child, an example - the author of the post assumes that Aisha is a prepubescent child all her life, a menstruating one at that. Is this really the best you can offer?
You gave a number of links to texts at the bottom. It's a shame you didn't take the time to compare what's been quoted with the contents of the linked texts. Or was that the point? That most people wouldn't take the time and be led to believe that your quotes were accurate or that the interpretations were the work of an intelligent adult?
If you want to make an argument that Mohammed was not really a very pleasant person, (he wasn't a very pleasant person and nobody has denied that anyway) why don't you do that without resorting to lies and fakes - it's not difficult. It's actually very easy to show the evils of religion and religious people, that can be done with any religion and without resorting to lies but in your desire to show Islam as the most evil of all you're actually destroying any credibilty your anti-Islamic stance might have.
The Say-It-Loud-And-Often-Enough-And-Someone-Will-Pick up-On-It-And-Repeat-It-Thereby-Making-It-'Fact' approach. Very popular on here. No shortage of those only to ready, willing and able to fulfill the role of the parrots either.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b