Climate Change and cooking the books.

**lom** · 16-12-2009, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

certain segments of the entertainment industry

You mean clowns?

**ItsRobsLife** · 16-12-2009, 05:56 PM

You see that Boon is the only one here really batting for the 'climate change is a hoax' view, and why? Because he's a troll, not because he really cares, but because he likes to troll and there's plenty of pseudo science material out there to feed his habit. If you don't like what he says, don't reply to him. If you enjoy trying to hit a moving target, then carry on.

**slackula** · 16-12-2009, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by ItsRobsLife

If you enjoy trying to hit a moving target, then carry on.

You are right. I won't bother responding to the garbage/bait he posts anymore as it seems to be a complete waste of time. Sad really..

**chassamui** · 17-12-2009, 12:58 AM

^ Very good idea. he is a waste of a good skin.

**meepho** · 17-12-2009, 01:36 AM

If climate change was a forgon conclusion and crystal clear, why is coppenhagen in such a mess.

A debate will go on but nobody is getting bullied.

Climate change can happen and will happen no matter what the human race does.

It is all too one sided, with the majority of air time given to the pro climate change, and that makes people suspicios.

**attaboy** · 22-12-2009, 05:46 AM

CONAN O'BRIEN, HOST: Now, what about ... you talk in the book about geothermal energy...

AL GORE, NOBEL LAUREATE: Yeah, yeah.

O'BRIEN: ...and that is, as I understand it, using the heat that's generated from the core of the earth ...
GORE: Yeah.
O'BRIEN: ...to create energy, and it sounds to me like an evil plan by Lex Luthor to defeat Superman. Can you, can you tell me, is this a viable solution, geothermal energy?
GORE: It definitely is, and it's a relatively new one. People think about geothermal energy - when they think about it at all - in terms of the hot water bubbling up in some places, but two kilometers or so down in most places there are these incredibly hot rocks, 'cause the interior of the earth is extremely hot, several million degrees, and the crust of the earth is hot ...

Oh, dear, I should hope it isn't or else we're all cooked. So to speak.

**ItsRobsLife** · 22-12-2009, 07:00 AM

O'BRIEN: ...to create energy, and it sounds to me like an evil plan by Lex Luthor to defeat Superman.

You just can't argue with that can you, I'm convinced.

**AjarnJonesy** · 22-12-2009, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by chassamui

^ Very good idea. he is a waste of a good skin.

you know its rather funny.... but because climate change is being pushed so hard by the left everyone thinks its almost truth...

Hmmm I wonder what the difference would be if Bush or even McCain were the one pushing the Obama changes to save the world and people from them selves.??? I submit to you if that were the case there is not one member of the here-to-for mentioned global warming crowd that wouldn't be saying we need to take our time and make sure........ I find this to be such a one sided debate and the left is not willing to accept any alternative view.....
Lets all remember that the Demos refused to allow Monckton to debate Gore in the house... you know I was never really convinced of Gores intellectual lacking but when this happened I realized that either gore has no freeking clue (most likely) or Gore doesnt really believe the garbage he is spouting.... I guess debate is no longer the best way for people to show who is right.....
Feel free to read the article.... BTW... The Monckton thing was the first time in HISTORY the ruling majority had ever turned away a witness called by the MINORITY

Flashback April 2009: Democrats Refuse to Allow Skeptic to Testify Alongside Gore At Congressional Hearing | Climate Depot
“The House Democrats don't want Gore humiliated, so they slammed the door of the Capitol in my face,” Monckton told Climate Depot in an exclusive interview. “They are cowards.”
According to Monckton, Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas), Ranking Member on the Energy & Commerce Committee, had invited him to go head to head with Gore and testify at the hearing on Capitol Hill Friday. But Monckton now says that when his airplane from London landed in the U.S. on Thursday, he was informed that the former Vice-President had “chickened out” and there would be no joint appearance. Gore is scheduled to testify on Friday to the Subcommittee on Energy and the Environment's fourth day of hearings on the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009. The hearing will be held in 2123 Rayburn House Office Building.
According to Monckton, House Democrats told the Republican committee staff earlier this week that they would be putting forward an unnamed 'celebrity' as their star witness Friday at a multi-panel climate hearing examining the House global warming bill. The "celebrity" witness turned out to be Gore. Monckton said the GOP replied they would respond to the Democrats' "celebrity" with an unnamed "celebrity" of their own. But Monckton claims that when the Democrats were told who the GOP witness would be, they refused to allow him to testify alongside Gore.
[ Update: 1:55 PM EST: A GOP House source told Climate Depot that the Democrats on the Committee said “absolutely not” to allowing Monckton to appear during today's Gore hearing. The GOP committee “pushed at multiple levels” to bring Monckton in to testify but the Democrats “refused,” according to the GOP source. Former GOP House Speaker Newt Gingrich was called in to testify after Monckton was rejected by the committee Democrats, according to the Congressional source.]
“The Democrats have a lot to learn about the right of free speech under the US Constitution. Congress Henry Waxman's (D-CA) refusal to expose Al Gore's sci-fi comedy-horror testimony to proper, independent scrutiny by the House minority reeks of naked fear,” Monckton said from the airport Thursday evening.

Furthermore... There is something to be said for the science that lord mongkton has submitted.

**chassamui** · 23-12-2009, 09:50 AM

How can anyone take american government seriously when they are all in the pockets of corporate america?

Climate depot, mmmmmm a sure fire unbisaed organ if ever there was one.

The helpless scorned by the blind.

**AjarnJonesy** · 23-12-2009, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by chassamui

How can anyone take american government seriously when they are all in the pockets of corporate america?

Climate depot, mmmmmm a sure fire unbisaed organ if ever there was one.

The helpless scorned by the blind.

First of all COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH THE FIRST STATEMENT...

Would you rather I had posted the same story from FOX, or hell even Drudge? After all it was carried there as well.. Donno about you but I am more concerned about the content of the article... btw.. Check out the videos on it..

**chassamui** · 23-12-2009, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by AjarnJonesy

Originally Posted by chassamui

How can anyone take american government seriously when they are all in the pockets of corporate america?

Climate depot, mmmmmm a sure fire unbisaed organ if ever there was one.

The helpless scorned by the blind.

First of all COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH THE FIRST STATEMENT...

Would you rather I had posted the same story from FOX, or hell even Drudge? After all it was carried there as well.. Donno about you but I am more concerned about the content of the article... btw.. Check out the videos on it..

I think the media organs you mention are all from the same stable. i would prefer it if all posters used evidence from a reliable source, rather than cut and paste from extremist organisations, which includes all three you mention above.

**AjarnJonesy** · 24-12-2009, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by AjarnJonesy

Originally Posted by chassamui

How can anyone take american government seriously when they are all in the pockets of corporate america?

Climate depot, mmmmmm a sure fire unbisaed organ if ever there was one.

The helpless scorned by the blind.

First of all COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH THE FIRST STATEMENT...

Would you rather I had posted the same story from FOX, or hell even Drudge? After all it was carried there as well.. Donno about you but I am more concerned about the content of the article... btw.. Check out the videos on it..

I think the media organs you mention are all from the same stable. i would prefer it if all posters used evidence from a reliable source, rather than cut and paste from extremist organisations, which includes all three you mention above.

Hmmm unfortunately you know as well as I do...We are not going to get a complete BALANCED story from any news organization out there.
You dont have to like the sources.. However the fact of the matter is it happened...

**chassamui** · 24-12-2009, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by AjarnJonesy

Hmmm unfortunately you know as well as I do...We are not going to get a complete BALANCED story from any news organization out there. You dont have to like the sources.. However the fact of the matter is it happened...

And you have only produed a very ones sided view of what happened from a media source which clearly has an agenda.
Not much point in telling me something you want to hear, when i would prefer a balanced report or none at all.

**AjarnJonesy** · 24-12-2009, 01:40 PM

BMEE>.
Take a look at the following...

I think you will get a kick out of it... Although I doubt our esteemed Liberal friends will give the the typical response

**AjarnJonesy** · 24-12-2009, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by AjarnJonesy

BMEE>.
Take a look at the following...

I think you will get a kick out of it... Although I doubt our esteemed Liberal friends will give the the typical response

Regardless of which side you are on .... the coming days/months are gonna be rather interesting.
Senator to demand probe of global-warming 'fraud'

**StrontiumDog** · 24-12-2009, 02:12 PM

All you need to know about Monckton.....an extreme right wing retard, who is a member of UKIP....and he's got god too, Catholicism, the child abuse faith...

Christopher Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Social policy
Eddy Shah: Today and the Newspaper Revolution describes him as "a fervent, forthright and opinionated Roman Catholic Tory"[32] who has been closely associated with the "New Right" faction of the Conservative Party.[33] As one of Margaret Thatcher's policy advisors, he has been credited with being "the brains behind the Thatcherite policy of giving council tenants (public housing) the right to buy their homes."[34] In more recent years, he has been associated with the Referendum Party, advising its founder Sir James Goldsmith, and in 2003 he helped a Scottish Tory breakaway group, the People's Alliance.[34] In 2009 he joined the UK Independence Party,[35] which has advocated a policy of defunding all public spending on climate change.[36]"

If that wasn't enough, here's the skinny on his global warming credentials....i.e. none...he's about as scientific as a tarot card....

"Climate change
Monckton is critical of the theory of anthropogenic causes for climate change and the stated scope of it, which he regards as a controversy catalysed by "the need of the international left for a new flag to rally round following the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989".[8] He has expressed doubt about the reality of global warming in a number of newspaper articles and papers. He has been described in some quarters as a "former science adviser to British prime minister Margaret Thatcher and a world-renowned scholar."[9] However, his credentials as a commentator on climate change have been questioned by some commentators. James Hoggan and Richard Littlemore note in their book Climate Cover-Up: The Crusade to Deny Global Warming that Monckton has "no training whatsoever in science", and criticise his asserted credentials as "unfounded self-promotion."[10] The Daily Telegraph has described him as "a former economic adviser".[4]

In two Sunday Telegraph articles published in November 2006, Monckton disputed whether global warming is man-made, suggested that it is unlikely to prove catastrophic, and criticised the science presented by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). In particular, he has criticised the IPCC's interpretation of the Medieval Warm Period, cited the "hockey stick" controversy as evidence of faulty science, argued that the science in the IPCC reports has misapplied the Stefan–Boltzmann law, and supported the solar variation theory as a possible explanation of global warming. In an apparent reference to claims made by Gavin Menzies, he further stated "There was little ice at the North Pole: a Chinese naval squadron sailed right round the Arctic in 1421 and found none."[11]

The British writer and environmentalist George Monbiot has criticised Monckton's arguments, labelling them "cherry-picking, downright misrepresentation and pseudo-scientific gibberish."[12] In response, Monckton argued that he "got the science right", claiming that Monbiot got "too many facts wrong" and had shown "ignorance of the elementary physics".[13]

In response to the U.K. government's Stern Review on the Economics of Climate Change, he has argued that the review's recommendation to invest 1% of global GDP in climate change mitigation would be ineffective, as would the introduction of carbon taxes and emissions trading as a means of curbing carbon emissions. He has proposed instead that the best solution should be to "go nuclear and reverse 20th-century deforestation."[14]

In February 2007, he published a critique of the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report on climate change.[15] His calculations of climate sensitivity to increased atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide have been published in the Quarterly Economic Bulletin.[16]

Monckton played a key role in a legal challenge heard in the High Court of Justice in October 2007 in a bid to prevent An Inconvenient Truth from being shown in English schools. In an interview with the conservative American talk radio host Glenn Beck, Monckton stated that he had prompted an unnamed friend to fund the case "to fight back against this tide of unscientific freedom-destroying nonsense" and had played a direct role in the litigation against the British government.[17] He was also reported to have funded the distribution to schools of the controversial documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle as a riposte to Gore's film.[18]

In March 2007, Monckton ran a series of advertisements in The New York Times and Washington Post challenging Al Gore to an internationally televised debate on climate change. The former U.S. Vice President did not respond.[8][19] The Science and Public Policy Institute provided funding for Monckton to produce a response to An Inconvenient Truth, titled Apocalypse?, No!, described as "showing Monckton presenting a slide show in a vitriolic attack on climate change science."[18] The film includes footage of Monckton giving a Gore-style presentation given on 8 October 2007 at the Cambridge Union in which he asserted that Gore and the IPCC had systematically falsified and exaggerated the evidence for global warming.[18][20]
During the autumn of 2009, Monckton embarked on a tour of North America to campaign against the United Nations Climate Change Conference in December 2009.

He warned that US President Barack Obama intended to sign a treaty at the conference which would "impose a communist world government on the world". This was picked up by numerous commentators on the American right, including Glenn Beck. Writing in Salon, Alex Koppelman criticised Monckton's assertions about the conference's framework for negotiation as being "woefully inaccurate. And that's a nice way of putting it." [21] The St. Petersburg Times's PolitiFact.com described his assertions as "not only unsupported but preposterous" and awarded him a special rating of "britches on fire".[22] After attending one of Monckton's talks, Ethan Baron of the Canadian newspaper The Province criticised Monckton's assertions as the product of a "whacked-out, far-right ideology, combined with an ego the size of the Antarctic ice sheet."[23]"

A couple of points....

Firstly, he was wrong about the outcome of Copenhagen....which goes to prove what a scare mongering, attention seeking bullshitter he is...

Secondly, he's another one that thinks solar output is to blame, when in fact when the earth has been getting warmer, the sun has been at a historically low period of activity. This is unquestioned and factual. Scientists have been concerned at the lack of sunspot activity recently. It has been unprecedented. We should be actually in a very cool period weather wise.

So, in summation, the guy is a retard and has about as much credibility as Gore. Both are making money out of this....lots of money.

**StrontiumDog** · 24-12-2009, 02:22 PM

More on Monckton, an attention seeking whore if ever there was one...

About his Eternity competition...

Eternity puzzle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The puzzle's inventor said at the time that the earlier-than-expected discovery had forced him to sell his 67-room house to pay the prize. In 2006 he revealed that the benefits from the sales had more than covered the prize, that he was going to sell the house anyway, and that he had made up the story to boost up sales.[2]

Aristocrat admits tale of lost home was stunt to boost puzzle sales - The Scotsman

**StrontiumDog** · 24-12-2009, 02:26 PM

And yet more...needs to be read to believe it...highlighted the fun parts...

American Physical Society article on climate sensitivity

In July 2008 Monckton wrote an article about climate sensitivity for the American Physical Society's Forum on Physics and Society.[24][25], concluding: "it is very likely that in response to a doubling of pre-industrial carbon dioxide concentration [surface temperature] will rise not by the 3.26 °K [sic] suggested by the IPCC, but by <1 °K."
Some media commentators interpreted the publication of his paper as a sign that the American Physical Society had abandoned its earlier support for the scientific consensus on climate change.[26] In response, the APS reaffirmed its unchanged position on climate change and pointed out that the newsletter of the APS Forum on Physics and Society "carries the statement that 'Opinions expressed are those of the authors alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of the APS or of the Forum.' This newsletter is not a journal of the APS and it is not peer reviewed."[27] The APS further added a disclaimer to the top of Monckton's article stating: "...Its conclusions are in disagreement with the overwhelming opinion of the world scientific community. The Council of the American Physical Society disagrees with this article's conclusions."[28] In a response[29], Monckton called the APS "red flag" "discourteous" and claimed his paper had been "scientifically reviewed in meticulous detail". Notwithstanding, Arthur Smith, long-time member at the APS Forum, has identified 125 errors, irrelevancies, and contradictions in the article.[30][31]

**Jesus Jones** · 24-12-2009, 03:03 PM

^Take it you didn't listed to it then. Just did your best to find shyte.

There's lots of shyte on just about every politician going. So are you saying you're naive enough to believe what these foolers have told you, but you're not prepared to take the opinions, regardless of research of another.

Media, a great tactical weapon on the mass fools.

**StrontiumDog** · 24-12-2009, 03:54 PM

I tend to listen to people who are qualified to give an opinion. Monckton is not. He just writes opinions, which anyone can do. He's not a climate scientist. He's also out to make money from this, a valid criticism of Gore, but one which the rednecks here have failed to notice amid their rapid exuberance for this guys postulating and fulminations.

**StrontiumDog** · 24-12-2009, 03:57 PM

Oh and btw, this shite is on Wikipedia, a site which anyone can edit. Including Monckton himself. Odd then that he hasn't.

**ItsRobsLife** · 24-12-2009, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

Media, a great tactical weapon on the mass fools.

Ironic, isn't it!?

**AjarnJonesy** · 25-12-2009, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

I tend to listen to people who are qualified to give an opinion. Monckton is not. He just writes opinions, which anyone can do. He's not a climate scientist. He's also out to make money from this, a valid criticism of Gore, but one which the rednecks here have failed to notice amid their rapid exuberance for this guys postulating and fulminations.

Pot calling the kettle ahh well whats the point..
Oh thats right .... I would like to hear where Gore is any more qualified to talk about this than Monckton??? But I guess we should listen to someone who: according to his own preaching is guilty of causing more carbon than most of us will in our life time.. or maybe we should listen to the type of people who tell us to use 1 square of toilet paper.....???? Well I guess we should because the demos and a maverick or two tell us we should.. How about listening because Pickens wants to make more money....

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