Thread: Right-wing domestic terrorists

Originally Posted by S Landreth

If true, it would be interesting to learn how many years the judge will give the culprit/s as a deterrent for others who might think about doing the same.

Have to find them first.
Difficult to solve a crime in the Carolinas because they all have the same DNA
and none of them have any dental records.

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

"Sandlin filmed himself grabbing an officer's helmet "

"Get out of the way! Your life is not worth it today," Sandlin told officers in a video he recorded. "

"Sandlin later filmed himself entering the Senate gallery and smoking marijuana "

"He also stole a book from a Senate-side office and grabbed an oil painting from the Capitol "

Though he is accused of many things, he is certainly not accused of having brains.
He must be from the Carolinas

In fairness that has all the attributes of Florida Man...

^silly school girl with its one liner

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Enrique Tarrio Wants Indictment Dropped Over Police Witness

Proud Boys Leader Enrique Tarrio Wants Jan. 6 Seditious Conspiracy Charge Dropped Because Feds Won’t Give Immunity to Defense Witness

The leader of the right-wing Proud Boys group charged with conspiring to use force against the government at the Capitol on Jan. 6 has asked a federal judge to dismiss the criminal charges against him, citing a defense witness’ alleged intent to invoke the Fifth Amendment at trial.

In a motion filed Monday, lawyers for Enrique Tarrio said that prosecutors are interfering with their client’s Sixth Amendment right to call favorable witnesses at trial by refusing to grant immunity to Lt. Shane Lamond, a 22-year veteran of the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD). Lamond was placed on administrative leave in February after communications between him and members of the right-wing group were discovered. Tarrio had allegedly been in contact with Lamond about his group’s plans to come to Washington to attend and participate in Donald Trump’s so-called “Stop the Steal” rally.

Prosecutors have said that Lamond may still face criminal obstruction charges, according to the motion, and have refused to grant him immunity — a move that Tarrio’s lawyers Sabino Juaregui and Nayib Hassan have described as an unconstitutional legal tactic that would stop their client from sharing exculpatory evidence at trial.

“The government was informed by the defense months ago of their intention to call Lamond to testify,” the motion says. “At no point was Lamond in danger of being prosecuted, until now. On the eve of trial, the government contacted counsel for Lamond and informed him that Lamond’s actions might be considered obstruction of justice into Tarrio’s investigation and he may be prosecuted. Waiting until now is a tactical decision by the government to prevent Tarrio from exercising his constitutional right to present a defense. Knowing that Lamond‟s testimony would exonerate Tarrio at trial and depriving Tarrio of his constitutional right is impermissible.”

Tarrio’s lawyers say that other co-defendants’ attorneys in the case “have had similar experiences with the government intimating and pressuring exculpatory defense witnesses,” adding that the “tactic is a misuse of the government‟s power and unconstitutional.”

According to a Washington Post report, Juaregui and Hassan signaled their intention to call Lamond as a witness during a hearing on Friday before Kelly, a Trump appointee.

The seditious conspiracy trial of Tarrio and his co defendants is scheduled to start Dec. 19. He is charged alongside Ethan Nordean, Zachary Rehl, and Joe Biggs; a fifth co-defendant, Charles Donohoe, pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy in April and has been cooperating with the government.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

In fairness that has all the attributes of Florida Man...

The difference is that in Florida we have dental records

Investigators are zeroing in on two possible motives centered around extremist behavior in NC power stations attacks, sources say

Investigators – who have found nearly two dozen shell casings from a high-powered rifle– are zeroing in on two threads of possible motives centered around extremist behavior for the weekend assault on two North Carolina electric substations, according to law-enforcement sources briefed on the investigation.

The news comes as the primary utility company in Moore County restores electricity to the final 1,200 customers of the 45,000 homes and businesses that initially lost power.

Officials on Wednesday also announced a total of $75,000 in reward money for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the person or people responsible for Saturday’s attacks.

One thread involves the writings by extremists on online forums encouraging attacks on critical infrastructure. The second thread looks at a series of recent disruptions of LGBTQ+ events across the nation by domestic extremists.

The FBI and the NC State Bureau are assisting in the investigation.

investigators have no evidence connecting the North Carolina attacks to a drag event at the theater in the same county, but the timing of two events are being considered in context with the growing tensions and armed confrontations around similar LBGTQ+ events across the country, the sources told CNN.

In the past two years, anti-government groups began using online forums to urge followers to attack critical infrastructure, including the power grid. They have posted documents and even instructions outlining vulnerabilities and suggesting the use of high-powered rifles.

One 14-page guide obtained by CNN cited as an example the 2013 sniper attack on a high voltage substation at the edge of Silicon Valley that destroyed 17 transformers and cost Pacific Gas and Electric $15 million in repairs.

In that case, the shooter fired more than 100 bullets in about 20 minutes, disappearing a minute before police arrived. The case remains unsolved.

While investigators haven’t found a rifle in the North Carolina shootings, the casings still could offer critical evidence. A law enforcement source told CNN that the caliber of the bullets in the California incident is different from those used in North Carolina.

Investigators are taking into consideration that the timing of Moore County shootings – 7 p.m. on a Saturday night – coincided with the time a drag performance sponsored by the local LBGTQ+ community began, according to the sources. Audience members used their phone flashlights to light the stage for one last song, but after that the performance couldn’t continue due to the power outage, according to Sandhills PRIDE.

Officials have said the gunfire, which left much of the county without electricity for days, were a “malicious” and “intentional” attack. The two substations are about 10 miles apart.

No suspects in the outages have been announced.

Sheriff Ronnie Fields has said whoever fired at the substations “knew exactly what they were doing.” No group “has stepped up to acknowledge or accept they’re the ones who (did) it,” the sheriff said Sunday.

As of Wednesday morning there were 35,000 customers without power, but that number had decreased to 1,200 by the time a 4 p.m. news conference began, according to Duke Energy spokesperson Jeff Brooks.

Given the information, county officials said a nightly curfew will end for good at 5 a.m. Thursday.

Shell casings and bullets offer clues

Bullets recovered from the sites, and the brass shell casings found a short distance away, are the few pieces of physical evidence that investigators have.

Because of the heat generated in a high-powered rifle’s chamber during rapid fire, fingerprints are burned away – and nearly impossible to recover from spent casings. Still, the brass may offer valuable clues.

Investigators can enter the casings into the National Integrated Ballistic Information Network, a database from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. The database records three-dimensional images of shell casings and can match them to any other shell casings that may have been fired by the same gun at another crime scene or to the gun if the weapon is recovered.

The spot where the casings were found can give investigators a way to pinpoint the firing positions. Knowing where the shooter fired from could lead to discoveries such as shoe prints and tire tracks.

Residents head to shelter for hot food and showers

For now, schools are closed through Thursday, many stores and restaurants are shut, homes are without heating or running refrigerators, drivers are traversing intersections with no traffic lights.

A Red Cross-run emergency shelter was set up at the Moore County Sports Complex to help provide shelter, food, showers and other services to people impacted.It will remain as a shelter through noon on Thursday, officials said.

Nakasha Jackson, who came to the shelter to pick up some hot food, said the outage has been difficult for her 1-year-old child.

“No lights, no power, can’t really do nothing. The kid is scared of the dark,” she told CNN.

Jackson said sometimes she has to travel up to an hour one way to buy food. “It’s ridiculous. It should never have been done,” Jackson said.

Residents who rely on electricity-powered medical equipment have also seen their lives upended. One woman told CNN she came to the shelter because she had no power for her CPAP machine at night.

After two days of sleeping without it, she said she began to feel ill and came into the shelter for help.

Others have sought shelter fearing for their safety as they struggled to keep their homes warm.

“It’s different. It’s kind of hard to sleep, you know. But at the end of the day, I’d rather be somewhere where it’s warm, where we have food, where we’re taken care of than to be somewhere it’s freezing cold,” said Amber Sampson.

On top of having to stay at the shelter, Sampson hasn’t been able to work since Sunday after her employer also lost power – an issue that could end up costing her hundreds of dollars.

Authorities have expressed anger over the attack, with Carol Haney, mayor of Southern Pines – a town of about 15,900 residents that completely lost power – calling it a cruel and selfish act.
North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper voiced concern over businesses and residents in nursing homes.

“When we look at all the money that’s being lost by businesses here at Christmastime, when we look at threats to people in nursing homes having lost power, hospitals having to run off generators and not being able to do certain kinds of operations at this point – all of those are deep concerns here, and we can’t let this happen,” the Democrat told CNN on Tuesday.

“This was a malicious, criminal attack on the entire community.”

Moore County power: Investigators are zeroing in on 2 possible motives centered around extremist behavior in NC power stations attacks, sources say | CNN

I've often wondered how a country who produce people the likes of Richard Feynman can also produce so many retards. Far from making America great they are preventing it.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

I've often wondered how a country who produce people the likes of Richard Feynman can also produce so many retards. Far from making America great they are preventing it.

It all comes down to education and intelligence. Those dimwitted trumpanzee types exist in OZ as well.

Originally Posted by bsnub

It all comes down to education and intelligence. Those dimwitted trumpanzee types exist in OZ as well.

Sadly that's true ,
but in a way good. I's a world where dimwitt like me can do well compared to the morons that surrounded me.
You know what they say " In the land of the blind the one eyed is king" LOL
The problem with the US is two fold IMO.
First it's the federal system , that allows for such disparity between the states.
and Second , it's the two party political system that results in polarization, and magnifies the extremes.. In a parliamentary system, in order to govern , the party in power has to create coalitions , thus bringing most closer to the center.
This attitude IMO is reflected in the general population.
Add to that the proliferation of guns. Hard to take out a transformer by throwing rocks at it.

• Suspect in Colorado LGBTQ nightclub massacre is charged with 305 counts, including murder and hate crimes

The suspect in last month's deadly rampage at a Colorado LGBTQ nightclub was charged Tuesday with 305 criminal counts in what could be the most heavily prosecuted murder case in state history, authorities said.

The charges filed against Anderson Lee Aldrich include first-degree murder, attempted first-degree murder, first- and second-degree assault and bias-motivated crimes, District Attorney Michael Allen told the court.

Aldrich is suspected of killing five people and wounding 17 others on Nov. 19 at Club Q in Colorado Springs. Five more were injured but not by gunshots. Twelve others were victims with no visible injuries, police said.

Allen said he couldn't recall a murder trial with so many counts.

“At least to my knowledge, I think it’s probably the most charges that we’ve ever filed in a single case, on a murder case like this in the state of Colorado," Allen told reporters after the hearing. "But there could be others out there that I’m just not thinking of right now.”

Lawyers on both sides asked the judge to schedule Aldrich's preliminary hearing for May.

“We have a lot of obligations already, both of us, that make it very difficulty to get something scheduled in the early spring," defense lawyer Joseph Archambault told the court.

Allen cited his own busy trial schedule and said defense lawyers will need time to go over all of the evidence against their client.

Allen, on March 17, is set to start the high-profile murder trial of Letecia Stauch who is accused of killing 11-year-old stepson Gannon Stauch, who vanished in January of 2020.

“This case we expect to be very voluminous (and) will probably take some time for defense (lawyers) to digest it and be ready for presentation of evidence at a preliminary hearing,” Allen told the court.

But 4th Judicial District Judge Michael McHenry insisted the hearing can start sooner and ordered both sides to be ready on Feb. 22 for a preliminary hearing he expected to last two days.

“I would be surprised if we get to an actual jury trial sometime in 2023," Allen later told reporters. "I suspect it’ll be sometime later than that.”

Aldrich sat alongside defense lawyers, wearing a fluorescent lime jail uniform and appearing attentive throughout the proceeding.

Tuesday's pre-trial hearing was the first time the public saw Aldrich since Nov. 23 when the 22-year-old made an initial court appearance.

The suspect, who was roughed up by club patrons who desperately fought back during the shooting, appeared lethargic that day and struggled to sit upright in a wheelchair.

Booking mug shots showed numerous cuts all over the suspect's face, a black, swollen left eye and a bruise behind the left ear. Aldrich is nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns.

“At the very first setting, the suspect’s demeanor and body were much different than today," Allen said after the hearing.

The suspect "walked into the courtroom today (and) appears to have healed, to some degree, form the bruising that was apparent on (Aldrich's) face at the last setting."

Witnesses have credited the fast action of Army veteran Richard Fierro, 45, and Navy Petty Officer 2nd Class Thomas James for pouncing on the gunman and limiting the carnage.

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• Feds Want Life Sentence for Adam Fox in Gov. Whitmer Plot

‘Only the Most Serious Sanction Is Sufficient’: Feds Seek Life Sentence for Michigan Man Convicted in Gov. Whitmer Kidnapping Plot

After a second jury rejected his entrapment defense, a Michigan man convicted of a plot to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D) faces the possibility of spending the rest of his life behind bars.

On Monday, federal prosecutors sought to impose that maximum punishment against Adam Fox.

“When the aim of that kidnapping is to terrorize the people and affect the conduct of government, it is so pernicious that only the most serious sanction is sufficient,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Nils R. Kessler wrote in a blistering sentencing memo.

In the U.S. federal system, life sentences do not carry the possibility of parole.

“It Was a Bona Fide ‘Revolution'”

For prosecutors, the punishment fits the “terrorist acts” that Fox sought to perpetrate.

“This was no ‘run of the mill’ kidnapping plot,” the memo states. “He targeted not just any victim, but an official victim; and not just any official, but the head of a state. He was no follower; he was an active recruiter and prime mover. The terrorism enhancement here literally takes Fox’s Guideline score off the chart. But it applies. His goal was not personal gain; it was a bona fide ‘revolution.'”

“This Court’s sentence should affirm that message by demonstrating the rule of law will defend itself against political violence and anti-government extremism,” the memo concludes.

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

The difference is that in Florida we have dental records

Do they take pictures of false teeth then?

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

First it's the federal system , that allows for such disparity between the states.

In other words, the constitution.

currently faces eight years in prison on the assault charge and five on the civil disorder charge, plus a combined three years for the four misdemeanors.

• Feds Drop Jan. 6 Theft Charge Against Riley June Williams

After Deadlocked Jury, Federal Prosecutors Dismiss Theft, Obstruction Charges Against Accused Nancy Pelosi Jan. 6 Laptop Thief

For now, the government has dropped the most serious charges against a Pennsylvania woman accused of barging into the office of then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Jan. 6 and helping to steal a laptop.

Prosecutors asked for the dismissal of the top counts “without prejudice,” meaning they could be refiled at a later time.

A Washington, D.C., jury had convicted Riley June Williams, a 23-year-old from Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on Nov. 21 of six charges, including two felonies: civil disorder and assaulting, resisting, or impeding police. But the jurors were deadlocked on whether prosecutors had shown that Williams, who was allegedly seen on video taking the laptop from Pelosi’s office, had indeed aided and abetting the theft of that laptop.

The verdict marked the first time that a jury hadn’t agreed to convict a Jan. 6 defendant on all counts.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

In other words, the constitution.

And there we have it

• Appeals Court Upholds Sean Urbanski Murder Conviction

Court Upholds Conviction and Sentence for Alleged White Supremacist with Racist Memes on His Phone Who Killed Black Soldier and University Student in 2017

Maryland’s second-highest court on Wednesday upheld the conviction and sentence of an alleged white supremacist and admirer of Adolf Hitler who murdered a Black Bowie State University student and member of the U.S. Army late one night in May 2017.

Sean Urbanski, 26, killed 23-year-old U.S. Army 1st Lieutenant Richard Collins III at a bus stop on the College Park campus of the University of Maryland by stabbing him in the chest with a knife.

There were two eyewitnesses to the crime, Blake Bender, the victim’s white friend, and Amanda Lee, an Asian woman who was waiting for a ride-share at the bus stop during the pre-dawn slaying.

The circumstances of the murder weren’t particularly disputed. As Collins, Bender, and Lee waited to catch their respective rides, Urbanski approached. The witnesses recalled that he was yelling and sounded angry. He shouted something along the lines of: “step left, step left if you know what’s good for you.” Bender and Lee both stepped aside. Collins did not, and replied, “No” when directly confronted by Urbanski, who then stabbed him once, and killed him.

During trial, the defense largely based their efforts on arguing that Urbanski – who had imbibed three to four times past the legal limit – was simply too drunk to have premeditated a murder. Attorney John McKenna argued, citing police records, that his client was too intoxicated t remember what he had done – saying police had to show him a video of the attack for the consequences to register.

The prosecution, however, argued and won on a premeditation theory. Urbanski was ultimately convicted of murder in the first degree.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

In other words, the constitution.

Of course the constitution sets the stage, but all different political systems have a constitutions.
You are correct, in the US , the constitution sets the stage for the governing environment and as such is the root problem .
IMO it was written for a different time and is no longer adequate. Unfortunately , as I am sure you know, amendments require a supermajority vote of the legislature in almost all states . Good luck getting that in today's polarized environment.
So I am afraid we are trapped in an antiquated constitution that allows limited tinkering on the edges, and interpretation that is itself problematic because it is dependant at the makeup of the Supreme court that is also political. (it's not supposed to be but IMO it is)
Most of the politicians in power are not stupid , they know what needs to be done, but they are trapped in a bipolar environment, that will eat them up if they diverge from their polarity. This is true for both parties.
I think we are screwed, and thinks will get worsts before they get better.
I hope I am wrong.

up to a 20-year maximum prison term

• Judge Convicts Men Who Rifled Through Senate Docs on Jan. 6

These Two Men Were Pictured Rifling Through Senate Documents on Jan. 6th. Now, They’re Convicted Felons.

On Jan. 6, 2021, two of the men who stormed the U.S. Capitol were spotted on the Senate floor rifling through documents left behind by fleeing lawmakers. One snapped pictures of its pages from his smartphone.

Following a federal judge’s verdict in a bench trial on Wednesday, they’re felons — with several misdemeanor convictions to boot.

Arrested months apart more than a year ago, the two men, Luke Bender and Landon Mitchell, have Bender’s TikTok account to thank in part for their identification by federal investigators. The FBI observed a post of the duo standing next to each other holding flags outside the Capitol on Jan. 6.

Chief U.S. District Judge Beryl A. Howell returned a verdict on Wednesday finding them guilty of obstructing an official proceeding and five related misdemeanor charges.

The top count against them carries up to a 20-year maximum prison term, though most Jan. 6-related sentences for this offense to date have been much lower.

Their sentencing date has been scheduled for March 3, 2023.

Has anyone been convicted yet for defecating on the floor in the US Capitol? I understand quite a few Trumpsters were caught short.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Part of the motivation for the union was preserving states' rights.

Always a pleasure to talk with you,
I agree, but as with everything, there is unforeseen consequences
That's why every good system , and the constitution is a system, has a number of components and subsystems.
-Input: what you want the system to accomplice
-Process:.......
-Monitoring: is the system doing what it was designed to do?
-Adjustment: adjust for "unforeseen consequences"
-Output: as close as possible to the input.

IMO, in our system, the monitoring subsystems are faulty , and the adjustment subsystem is dysfunctional.
I hate to be pessimistic, but we need to be pragmatic, and to me, it looks like we are in for a rough ride .

Originally Posted by 39TG

Has anyone been convicted yet for defecating on the floor in the US Capitol? I understand quite a few Trumpsters were caught short.

google it and tell us what you find

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

Always a pleasure to talk with you,
I agree, but as with everything, there is unforeseen consequences
That's why every good system , and the constitution is a system, has a number of components and subsystems.
-Input: what you want the system to accomplice
-Process:.......
-Monitoring: is the system doing what it was designed to do?
-Adjustment: adjust for "unforeseen consequences"
-Output: as close as possible to the input.

IMO, in our system, the monitoring subsystems are faulty , and the adjustment subsystem is dysfunctional.
I hate to be pessimistic, but we need to be pragmatic, and to me, it looks like we are in for a rough ride .

I should emphasise "was".

Clearly the idea of giving every state two senators without any thought for changing populations was a glaring oversight.

That a state like Wyoming (Pop: <600k) has the same political power as California (Pop: >39m) shows how shortsighted they were.