Thread: Israel Bombs Gaza

Originally Posted by blackgang

you be a limey

I was born there, so yeh OK, I'm a limey if you say so (better than a lemon anyways).

I've let this drop before, but a whiles ago. Lemme tell you some family history Boyy! Actually, the Brits were put into Palestine on a UN mandate at the end of WW2. They didn't want to be there, I assure you- they wanted to go home. How do I know? Because my grandfathers younger brother was one of those British tommies.

He died, unfortunately, in the bombing of the King David Hotel.

He was Jewish.

^ Yes, it did. A lot still has to be sorted out before the days of - "Peace, peace"... before the then sudden destruction... At the moment, it is an ancient family squabble. Never good to interfere in those kinds of things.

Better to pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

Originally Posted by watterinja

What was the partition of Palestine? Which part became the modern-day Israel? What happened to the other parts?

Well they really didn't have much and there was no real way to defend what they had, and then the Arabs moved again them, cut off their access to the sea and so the Jews did take some additional land, did move into the Gaza strip and took that from Egypt took a little here and there and did strengthen their defensive stand somewhat, but you can expect nothing else when they were surrounded by enemy that was always on the move against them, so now they are a lot more safe and they can tell the Arabs to kiss ass.

Originally Posted by sabang

the biblical 'Promised Land' is only a modest part of modern day Israel. Palestine once encompassed much of what is now Lebanon also, and parts of Syria and Jordan.

Yes, just like England encompassed a lot of the known world, but can't claim all that land today tho,,

Originally Posted by sabang

I've let this drop before, but a whiles ago. Lemme tell you some family history Boyy! Actually, the Brits were put into Palestine on a UN mandate at the end of WW2. They didn't want to be there, I assure you- they wanted to go home. How do I know? Because my grandfathers younger brother was one of those British tommies. He died, unfortunately, in the bombing of the King David Hotel. He was Jewish.

They had a lot of Jews in the Brit army, but that doesn't mean that they loved the army just because they were in it, some because of the persecution that they got elsewhere so were in that army.
Also the Jews did blow up some of the Brit army because they knew they were getting a raw deal from them.

Thank a god that this is the internet & you idiots don't have weapons.

Originally Posted by blackgang

England encompassed a lot of the known world

Silly boy, that was the Empire!


"There'll always be an England...."

"[As long as Scotlands Free....]"

Originally Posted by blackgang

that doesn't mean that they loved the army

Very few Tommies loved the Brit army, it had nothing to do with Jewishness. And Persecution- what bullshit. You expose your ignorance yet again.

Actually, this whole Jewish thing didn't even exist then, at least not in the UK. My grandad was Welsh, the fact he was of Jewish descent probably meant as little to him as it does to me. I daresay his Bro would have been the same. He was a scoundrel, anyway.

Does it really matter what the place was called at which time in history and who lived there?

Israel is there now, right or wrong, and is there to stay.
One might wish they had given them part of the US to settle in, wouldn't be any problem with the neighbours, instead of giving in to religious claims against reason, that's always a formula for disaster.

Originally Posted by spiff

I admit you beat me hands down for scrounging...

How does my few weeks at £2 between school and college beat your 3 months UB hands down? <squint> Please explain, though I shan't hold my breath.

^^^ It came to matter spiff, because a scurrilous, fraudulent attempt was made to deprive the Palestinian people of their identity, culture and heritage. This attempt came out of American Jewry, the author (front person really) was a Jewess called Joan Peters, the book was called "From Time Immemorial". She was the darling of the Manhattan cocktail circuit for a while, after all she was telling people what they wanted to hear, justifying what they wanted to do.

It was proven to be a fraud, and the book is not even mentioned in intelligent circles any more, it is an embarassed cough at a cocktail party. Unfortunately, a whole lot of gullible Amerkins- not necessarily Jewish- have had this venomous claptrap drilled into them, they still actually believe it! This is where the tragedy lies. The other tragedy is that the original scholar who exposed this fraud has been persecuted ever since, he is a Jew, the son of Holocaust survivors, called Norman Finkelstein. It must really gall him to be called a Holocaust denier, as the right wing Jewish community in the USA do to this day. He is also denied entry to Israel.

Originally Posted by mikehunt

One might wish they had given them part of the US to settle in,

they did without intent, it's called Palm Beach and more specifically Boca Raton.. AKA Florida...

Originally Posted by sabang

^^^ It came to matter spiff, because a scurrilous, fraudulent attempt was made to deprive the Palestinian people of their identity, culture and heritage. This attempt came out of American Jewry, the author (front person really) was a Jewess called Joan Peters, the book was called "From Time Immemorial". She was the darling of the Manhattan cocktail circuit for a while, after all she was telling people what they wanted to hear, justifying what they wanted to do.

It was proven to be a fraud, and the book is not even mentioned in intelligent circles any more, it is an embarassed cough at a cocktail party. Unfortunately, a whole lot of gullible Amerkins- not necessarily Jewish- have had this venomous claptrap drilled into them, they still actually believe it! This is where the tragedy lies. The other tragedy is that the original scholar who exposed this fraud has been persecuted ever since, he is a Jew, the son of Holocaust survivors, called Norman Finkelstein. It must really gall him to be called a Holocaust denier, as the right wing Jewish community in the USA do to this day.

Well & as per usual, all this religious shit leads to trouble. All the blood sucking leeches can't help themselves. The worst part is when ordinary people are sucked into the same way of thinking as the rich & powerful.

To me, the whole point is NOT about "who owns what piece of dirt", it's about "how are we NOW going to live together on this piece of dirt"?

All of you can argue forever about Jews & otherwise but at the end of the day, it all boils down to people living with each other. If you can't even live with each other on a forum, how could you do it in reality? I'm not talking "differences" here, I'm talking about those who support violence (military or otherwise).

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

Originally Posted by mikehunt

One might wish they had given them part of the US to settle in,

they did without intent, it's called Palm Beach and more specifically Boca Raton.. AKA Florida...

I never quoted that. Please check the thread.

Originally Posted by mikehunt

it all boils down to people living with each other

Absolutely. And recognising each other. Realising that, for all of their flaws, they almost all want their kids to grow up better than they did.

Originally Posted by sabang

the biblical 'Promised Land' is only a modest part of modern day Israel. Palestine once encompassed much of what is now Lebanon also, and parts of Syria and Jordan.

Agree with your map of Palestine, with fluid borders since the Romans.

Originally Posted by blackgang

Yes, just like England encompassed a lot of the known world, but can't claim all that land today tho,,

It's selective, like so many other things.

The same crowd that squawk about the Jews stealing Arab lands to form their state under a UN mandate, quietly accept the theft of much larger spreads by other generations in such out of the way places as Oz, NZ, US etc...whilst infidels that accept the Pal militants as 'freedom fighters', are oddly adamant that the Jews were and are terrorists.

^You are speaking as if Palestine was a nation-state or some such clearly definable political, sovereign entity. It wasn't.

Originally Posted by mikehunt

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

Originally Posted by mikehunt

One might wish they had given them part of the US to settle in,

they did without intent, it's called Palm Beach and more specifically Boca Raton.. AKA Florida...

I never quoted that. Please check the thread.

you quoted a post by Spiff with it in it's content and since Spiff is on my ignore list I can't see his post, but I did see this part of his post in yours so I quoted from your post.. it automatically credited it to your post as it was in the content of your post..

anyway you screwed up a perfectly good comeback with humorous intent... In a thread that seriously needs some..

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by mikehunt

it all boils down to people living with each other

Absolutely. And recognising each other. Realising that, for all of their flaws, they almost all want their kids to grow up better than they did.

Bloody right about that, Sabang

Anyway, I am still puzzled why Hamas would indulge in this silly, ineffectual rocket-launching when they should have known it would provoke a much more devastating reaction.

But maybe one shouldn't look for reason where there is none to be found.

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

since Spiff is on my ignore list

Yeah, sure.

Originally Posted by spiff

Anyway, I am still puzzled why Hamas would indulge in this silly, ineffectual rocket-launching when they should have known it would provoke a much more devastating reaction.

But maybe one shouldn't look for reason where there is none to be found.

How on earth could you be puzzled about this? Both sides are religious zealots. Is that not enough to convince you that irrational thoughts reign supreme?

Originally Posted by sabang

^^^ Loong story watter- we are talkin about the whole scope of written history here. Incidentally, the biblical 'Promised Land' is only a modest part of modern day Israel. Palestine once encompassed much of what is now Lebanon also, and parts of Syria and Jordan.

Right -- back then it was called 'Gaia', right?