Thread: Israel Bombs Gaza

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Operation Cast Lead Explained. And, more powerful evidence why Israel will just have to go back in there again soon as I-Ran has re-armed that rabble...

A refresher on Gaza and the Gaza attack:

A report on Gaza and Israel:

Long boring diatribe and when someone is your enemy the objective is to annihilate
them and keep them at bay.

Seems like Israel is winning.

Take Lessons ,...

Originally Posted by Milkman

A report on Gaza and Israel:

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Clearly, that is the fact. The question the video begs is are the actions of Israel morally defensable. They are clearly illegal, unless you subscribe the notion of "Might makes right", which puts you in some pretty ugly company.

Originally Posted by MrG

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Clearly, that is the fact. The question the video begs is are the actions of Israel morally defensable. They are clearly illegal, unless you subscribe the notion of "Might makes right", which puts you in some pretty ugly company.

Illegal under whose terms ?

Do you need a lesson in world history ? This is how it is done.

The daft fucking Palestinians should smarten up and take the message to clear the fcuk out of there.

Originally Posted by Ghandi

Originally Posted by MrG

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Clearly, that is the fact. The question the video begs is are the actions of Israel morally defensable. They are clearly illegal, unless you subscribe the notion of "Might makes right", which puts you in some pretty ugly company.

Illegal under whose terms ?

Do you need a lesson in world history ? This is how it is done.

The daft fucking Palestinians should smarten up and take the message to clear the fcuk out of there.

Yeah, like European Jews in the 1930s. If that was right by you, you're in pretty ugly company. (And yes, I am stepping out there and comparing Israeli policies of today with Nazi Germany. Germany used gas, Israel uses bombs. The ends are the same.)

Under International Law, it is illegal to drive people off occupied land and then claim it as your own national territory.

Originally Posted by MrG

Under International Law, it is illegal to drive people off occupied land and then claim it as your own national territory.

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Maybe you can offer a bit more than opinions


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Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by Ghandi

Originally Posted by MrG

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Clearly, that is the fact. The question the video begs is are the actions of Israel morally defensable. They are clearly illegal, unless you subscribe the notion of "Might makes right", which puts you in some pretty ugly company.

Illegal under whose terms ?

Do you need a lesson in world history ? This is how it is done.

The daft fucking Palestinians should smarten up and take the message to clear the fcuk out of there.

Yeah, like European Jews in the 1930s. If that was right by you, you're in pretty ugly company. (And yes, I am stepping out there and comparing Israeli policies of today with Nazi Germany. Germany used gas, Israel uses bombs. The ends are the same.)

Under International Law, it is illegal to drive people off occupied land and then claim it as your own national territory.

You speak of international law, but only as it relates to one side, I may be wrong but I beleive it may also be against international law to fire rockets at civilians with the intent of death and destruction of said civilians. Why do you never address both sides of the issue.

Originally Posted by MrG

(And yes, I am stepping out there and comparing Israeli policies of today with Nazi Germany. Germany used gas, Israel uses bombs. The ends are the same.)

How novel! "Stepping out" is an understatement. This is truly "thinking outside the box".

And it is absolutely not rehearsing the same stale solecism heard round the world in "lefty" circles wherever assholes congregate!

You really should congratulate yourself again and again on "stepping out".




Then you should read some history and get a fucking clue.

Excerpted from “The International Laws of Belligerent Occupation”
by Professor of International Law Francis Boyle
Belligerent occupation is governed by The Hague Regulations of 1907, as well as by the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949, and the customary laws of belligerent occupation. Security Council Resolution 1322 (2000), paragraph 3 continued: “Calls upon Israel, the occupying Power, to abide scrupulously by its legal obligations and its responsibilities under the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in a Time of War of 12 August 1949;...” Again, the Security Council vote was 14 to 0, becoming obligatory international law.
The Fourth Geneva Convention applies to the West Bank, to the Gaza Strip, and to the entire City of Jerusalem, in order to protect the Palestinians living there. The Palestinian People living in this Palestinian Land are “protected persons” within the meaning of the Fourth Geneva Convention. All of their rights are sacred under international law.
There are 149 substantive articles of the Fourth Geneva Convention that protect the rights of every one of these Palestinians living in occupied Palestine. The Israeli Government is currently violating, and has since 1967 been violating, almost each and every one of these sacred rights of the Palestinian People recognized by the Fourth Geneva Convention. Indeed, violations of the Fourth Geneva Convention are war crimes.
So this is not a symmetrical situation. As matters of fact and of law, the gross and repeated violations of Palestinian rights by the Israeli army and Israeli settlers living illegally in occupied Palestine constitute war crimes. Conversely, the Palestinian People are defending themselves and their Land and their Homes against Israeli war crimes and Israeli war criminals, both military and civilian.

Read the rest of the article.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

You speak of international law, but only as it relates to one side, I may be wrong but I beleive it may also be against international law to fire rockets at civilians with the intent of death and destruction of said civilians. Why do you never address both sides of the issue.

Because Israel is clearly the aggessor and has been from day one. If somebody held you a gunpoint in your own home, would you feel justified in shooting them, or would you lay down and and say, as you did above:

Originally Posted by Ghandi

Seems like Israel is winning. Take Lessons ,...

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Originally Posted by RPETER65

You speak of international law, but only as it relates to one side

Blah blah blah blabbedy blah... ad nauseam...

Originally Posted by MrG

I may be wrong

If you were, it wouldn't make a difference to you.

I just look at who's shooting rockets first - and it ain't the Israelis.

(Disclaimer - I have no particular love for the Israelis, but the Paleys certainly a masters at turning opinion against them. Most dumb animals manage to do that.)

Interview of Mosab Hassan Yousef writer of "Son of Hamas". Former muslim palestinian.

"There is no moderate islam"

Originally Posted by mr Fred

I find it hard to see why anyone would bother debating this.
If some bastard tossed you out of your house and only allowed you to live in your back garden, you would be pissed off.

If he then fenced you in without proper food supplies, you would be very pissed off.
You sling a few rocks that miss pretty much everything and he wipes out your children with a machine gun.

Happy?

Genocide by stealth. Its always been the Israeli goal to steal the largest part of the Palestinian territory.
The Shrinking Map of Palestine

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

I just look at who's shooting rockets first - and it ain't the Israelis.

I think the attacks of the first Israeli troops in 1948 proves that wrong from day one.

The Israeli are committing another genocide and the world sit back like they did in the 1940s

Palestine should be liberated from the Israeli invaders,

Just look at whose military is occupying the Palestinian territory and protecting Israeli civilians who are forcing Palestinians off their land to claim it for their own.

Is it any wonder the Palestinians are fighting back against a far superior military force any way they can.

The saddest part is that USA is financing this slow form of genocide while conversely giving lip service to a so called peace process.

Originally Posted by mr Fred

I find it hard to see why anyone would bother debating this.
If some bastard tossed you out of your house and only allowed you to live in your back garden, you would be pissed off.

If he then fenced you in without proper food supplies, you would be very pissed off.
You sling a few rocks that miss pretty much everything and he wipes out your children with a machine gun.

Happy?

In all my years of traveling and unfortunately running into Israelis from time to time and seeing how they interact with people ( the Thais for example ) I find them to be a rude horrible bunch of conts with few redeeming qualities least how to act as normal human beings.

If this is how they treat other people one can only draw the conclusion that the Palestinians would be treated like dogs.

Fok the Israelis and one day they will be nuked of the face of this planet and no one will give a fok.

I really like going to Malaysia as the tossers aint allowed into that country.

Good innit.

Originally Posted by terry57

I really like going to Malaysia as the tossers aint allowed into that country.

By tossers do you mean Israeli nationals or all Jews from around the world?

Well but heres the result of the Israeli 'enquiry' into the raid on the Turkish aid flotilla -

Israel probe clears flotilla raid

An Israeli probe has ruled that a May 2010 raid on Gaza-bound aid ships that killed nine Turks was in keeping with international law, a finding which "stunned and dismayed" Ankara.

In its preliminary findings released the same day, a Turkish investigation said Israeli troops had used "disproportionate" force in boarding the flotilla of ships to prevent them from reaching Israeli-blockaded Gaza.

The assault earned the Jewish state international censure, prompting Israeli MPs to appoint a commission to examine both the military operation's legality and Israel's blockade.
Israel probe clears flotilla raid

Well, what a surprise, Yawwwn. It's the same result as the Israeli 'enquiry' into the Gaza massacre! Hardly news.

It seems the Israeli's and Thai have been comparing notes on how to conduct a snow job.

Waste of time from the beginning of course, but the results of the Turkish enquiry will be more interesting.

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"It seems the Israeli's and Thai have been comparing notes on how to conduct a snow job."

"Waste of time from the beginning of course, but the results of the Turkish enquiry will be more interesting."




Ahemmm Sab .

The ships where warned repeatedly to stop or turn away from the disputed area by Israeli Authorities, they refused to comply because their aim was to provoke a confrontation, a confrontation they had prepared for with weapons of all sorts ranging from deadly to clubs and sticks.

That the Israelis wanted to solve the issue with the absolute minimum of force necessary is proven by the fact that their special forces boarding the ships where issued with toy paint-ball air guns FFS!!!!! and only carried sidearms as emergency backup.
If in fact- the hilarious Turkish claims, that the Israelis intended to harm or kill Turks where anywhere near anything resembling truth, the Israelis would have been armed with their usual deadly force assault gear instead of toy paint-ball air guns

Activists on the ship attacked the Israeli's boarding their ship, with the Turk usual initial unrestrained fanatical Turkish ferocity, using dangerous weapons so that Israeli's life's where in immediate jeopardy, hugely outnumbered by the fanatical activist, the Israelis where given no choice but to defend their fellow officers life's with deadly force, even then the use of force was relatively restrained.

The Israeli's did nothing any law-enforcement unit in all the world would not have done exactly the same when- seeing fellow officers in life-threatening peril from armed violent attackers.

So the level of force ultimately employed by the Israel special forces is justified beyond dispute, save of-cause amongst a few others- the Turkish Government who have a long and very bleak record of note when it comes to rule of law and adhering to international conventions, issues like human rights, torture and mass-murder ect.

In fact the Turks are in such a bad standing on issues like human rights and truth that they have been barred for years from joining the European community, and ever since they abandoned a secular society in favor of a Muslim lead Government they have drifted even further from that ever happening.

Interesting to see how a strong anti Israeli bias makes bedfellows of the strangest and most unlikely critters for someone normally championing human rights and truth, suddenly they can throw their hat in not only with known terrorist organizations but also with a third world shithole like Turkey and their corrupt lying Government and justice system, a people and their leaders who take pride in, and flatly refuses to admit to the Armenian genocide, and happily carry on the same traits towards the Kurdish minority, and where murders on innocent Christians largely go unnoticed and is swept under the carpet by the bent political criminal Muslim leadership.

There is only one thing that can be an issue for debate here and it is not the actual actions by the Israeli law-enforcement forces, but is whether the Israeli Government where in their right to order the Ships boarded, just like it can be argued if not a civilian vessel always should obey a friendly nations naval authorities if asked to stop (several nations naval forces like Australia, and Denmark's routinely stop and board foreign vessels in international waters), we can also argue how wise it is to use civilian vessels for political militant provocation and blockade breaking in an armed conflict not even concerning the flag said vessel is flying, that said they achieved exactly the propaganda reaction they where aiming for with the easy crowd, the ones where the facts is of lesser importance than their fanatical convictions.