I expect you'll use the same logic if Obama refuses to do what the thugs want and the debt ceiling isn't raised. "The stink happened to stick to the Republicans though"- yeah, jeez, I wonder why.
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I expect you'll use the same logic if Obama refuses to do what the thugs want and the debt ceiling isn't raised. "The stink happened to stick to the Republicans though"- yeah, jeez, I wonder why.
I have to say that it is refreshing to read comments by non American's who don't have a fox news US flag stuck up their ass. Now if only American's could pull the flag out of their ass....
That ain't going to happen IMO, American's are to busy crawling around on the floor fighting each other for the few scraps that remain to look up and see who's pissing on them.
Unfortunately, America's fall will suck the rest of the world down the same toilet with it.
Obama was the last chance at turning the tide, but even he can't seem to dislodge the fat, stupid, fools from their mental slumber. Oh well, human stupidity has been the best form of population control through out human history so it looks like another repeat performance. I froze my ass off pounding on doors for that guy and he is a complete disappointment.
At this point I think I'll vote for one of these repug idiots next time because the quicker we get this failure over with the better.
Should of paid attention to his antics in IllinoisQuote:
Originally Posted by trisailer
Considering the obstacles he faces from the ideologues in both parties he has been goal oriented & creative.Quote:
Originally Posted by trisailer
The mid east is 90% Israel.
IMHO, O'Bama is offered no cooperation from any side. Without the bush / right wing / Israel mid east wars 1/2 of the deficit is disappeared.
1. With assurances from politicians in both parties, Bibi Netanayu purposefully humiliated Biden when new settlements were announced while Biden was in the air trans Atlantic. actually announced settlements after Biden took off & before he landed. ..
2. Then on his trip to the US, Bibi the great diplomat & politician. he made fun of the executive branch of the US government in front of the US congress & at AIPAC (Israeli lobby with Dick Cheney on their board & several agents in prison for spying against the US .. sounds like a terrorist organization to me)
The great diplomat & politician Bibi intentionally told the world that the executive branch of the US was meaningless in International affairs.
Bibi intentionally humiliated the executive branch of the US.
Announced to all that can hear the great politician & diplomat Bibi told the world that the (life time black who might be offended by being treated like sh!t by a colonial thief) president of the US ain't sh!t.
Congress: he has no use for either house, either party.
1. Congress controls the often demanded payments to Israel. Much as a Nana girl's attention & affection is based on the oldest quid pro quo, so is israel's .
Israel has no interest in the needs of or situation the US is in, much as a Nana lass (no, not your GTG) has 0 interest in the Farang's situation once the baht stops being deposited.
US got the money, Israel has the time. The evangelicals in congress value Israel due the new testiment's rapture requirements.. jews are wary of the crazed US /new testament king james rapture-ists.
2. Debt / budget. No cooperation from the ideologues on either side, the path of least resistance is to put it off.
Senors, SS & medicare, vote. no way either party can allow those checks to stop,
Obama is playing hard ball .. you dopey kids shut up .. we will get this done.
Cantor even stated some of 'tax code deductions' were illogical. the last thing the the tea & crackers bunch wants is to be seen holding up welfare checks to protect some bought & paid for tax loop hole.
me thinks, O'Bama might have some 'loop hole doozies' to throw out without tea & cracker cooperation.
without congressional action SS checks will stop for good in the just over the horizon near future.
O'Bama (I called him irish before he was irish) controls the state department & CIA.
Shortly after the great diplomat Bibi told the punk ass vice prez he ain't sh!t all hell breaks lose next door.
To demonstrate cooperation the great diplomat Bibi then flys to the US & before congress (& to right wing applause) he calls the pres a punk ass bitch boy.
Egypt has erupted & the Muslim Bros are fixing to take charge.
Syria is next. Iranian support is a problem now, what will it be like with the Muslim bros in charge!
The last thing israel wants is non-puppets controlling it's neighbors.
Barry is forcing Zion to pretend it is a fair, just & moral society.
whether or not the right wing wants to admit it, non-puppet neighbors present a huge problem for the Bibi bunch.
me thinks O'Bama is doing pretty good considering the hand he was dealt.
he had 0 to do with the economic situation. it was here when he moved in.
1. if I were an important international player, I'd think a UN blockade of zion introduced, (state dept negotiated w/o email!) by a third nation might force cooperation.
2. & if I were the prez I'd tell the corrupt politicians that I was going to piss off a huge voting bock if they did not act like legislators & not ideologue wind bags.
Me thinks, getting re elected is less important to him than it is to most of the ideologue wind bangs.
Me thinks, Michelle is totally sick of the right wing personal attacks on her .. well, blackness ..& is more than ready to move on to the peace & quite / riches available to former first families
he might get things done that need gettin' done.
Obama '12
Well, robuzo, B. Hussien Obama is simply threatening to starve Grandma and act like the Thug he is. Fact is, he's got to cut out the entitlements - plain & simple:Quote:
Originally Posted by robuzo
Washington gets $200 billion a month, Social Security costs $50 billion a month, and Obama is threatening to starve Grandma?
This is demogoguery of the worst sort because Obama has to know that what he is saying is false. When you and I say something we know to be false, it's called a "lie."
Clearly, it is of no matter to Obama that hiking taxes and raising the national debt limit very likely will keep millions of Americans unemployed and hobble the economy for years to come. All he has to do is scare enough voters long enough to get through the November 2012 election to get himself re-elected.
Here are the facts, as reported by MarketWatch and the Bipartisan Policy Center. You do the math:
* The federal government receives approximately $200 billion in revenues each month.
* Interest on the national debt in August will be approximately $29 billion.
* Social Security will cost about $49. 2 billion.
* Medicare and Medicaid will cost about $50 billion.
* Active duty military pay will cost about $2.9 billion.
* Veterans affairs programs will cost about $2.9 billion.
If you've been punching buttons on your calculator, you know that still leaves $39 billion each month. This is where Obama and the Democrats most fear to go. If Congress doesn't agree to raise taxes and the national debt limit, they will then have to make the tough choices about which of the remaining programs gets paid or cut and by how much:
Is B. Hussien still a Cokehead? Seems so as he's always fussing with his nose. Check out this video and you decide.:)
‪An Inconvenient Truth-Larry Sinclair Interview On Obama, Cocaine and Lies‬‏ - YouTube
I agree that Obama is swimming against a tide of stupidity. It is probably true that there are enough fox zombie fools to drive him out of office if he tried to do more. I understand that, but I thought he was going to be able to turn the tide.
Obviously I mistakenly believed that intelligence would trump idealogy.
The fox fools have short memories. They ignore the fact that America would never be in this position had Gore been elected (selected) because he would likely have continued the policies of Clinton which were producing a surplus.
The house is on fire because the GOP started it. To suggest that Obama is responsible starting the fire is rediculous. He arrived on the scene when the fire was already out of control and is trying to get water to put it out, but the GOP is guarding all the hydrants and are content to watch it burn. It's not their house, why should they care.
The GOP likes to start fires, it is the only way to keep intelligent people distracted from creating a fire prevention plan.
NY Times: White House declines to deny Obama lied about his mother
During the 2008 campaign and throughout the subsequent debate over his health care legislation, President Obama used his mother’s experience as a cancer patient fighting to get coverage to pay for treatment for what her insurer said was a pre-existing condition as an emotional argument to sway skeptics. However, a new book by New York Times reporter Janny Scott has revealed this story appears to be a fabrication.
In other words, Obama lied in order to make a political point.
Right...so what's new there, eh?:mid:
let the debt ceiling date pass ..f' it
the value loss experienced by the upper 2% the NYSE will far exceed any tax loop hole closure
nyse down 30% & the kock bros go ballistic
does the o man have the balls to play with the big boys ,, 12 days & we'll know
don't punk out o man
let the tea & crackers bunch crash the economy & we take back the house.
& win your second term
when is ms bachmann the smartest person in the room?
a tea party convention.
I think a deal will be reached on the debt ceiling and it's just political posturing. If a deal isn't made it'd be interesting. A wake up call to the few left that think things are declining significantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by foreigner
Here's a snipped on the recent breakdown on negotiations when Boehner walked out today, July 22, 2011.
‪David's take on the budget negotiation breakdown‬‏ - YouTube
One of those "one-eyed man in the kingdom of the blind" scenarios, but a lot more chilling.Quote:
Originally Posted by foreigner
Heh...it's not like it's common sense or anything B. Hussien is a disaster:
‪Steve Wynn Goes On Epic Anti-Obama Rant On Company Conference Call‬‏ - YouTube
Democrat entrepreneur Steve Wynn played a major roll in revitalizing Las Vegas. But Vegas hasn’t been feeling very revitalized over the past couple of years. Here Wynn explains why it is not possible to do business in a country run by the likes of Barack Hussein Obama, and why the economy will continue its downward trajectory until we get this socialist out of power:
Obama and his gang have made things worse. Now they want a second stimulus package. They want to spend another $800 billion. Do you honestly think blowing over one and a half trillion dollars will get the engine running again? Not a chance. Look at the trillions of dollars stuck in a massively over-saturated housing market. It will take at least 15 years to move that inventory out. Until then it will be a drag on the economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by trisailer
Thank you federal government policy. Thank you for the best of intentions. Every American should be a home owner. Every American should have some skin in the game! Thanks alot.
Worse you say? He’s just trying ta fix what some before him have fucked up so badly.Quote:
Originally Posted by attaboy
71% of national debt happened during GOP presidencies; 28% under Dem presidents
GOP Presidents
$9.5 trillion
Dem Presidents
$3.8 trillion
Total debt is $14.3 trillion.
$1 trillion of debt comes from before Reagan (NYT doesn't make clear who created that debt).
$13.3 trillion accumulated from Reagan to Obama.
71% of the $13.3 trillion was under GOP presidents.
28% of the $13.3 trillion was under Dem presidents.
Link: AMERICAblog News: 71% of national debt happened during GOP presidencies; 28% under Dem presidents
Quote:
Originally Posted by attaboyI'm not sure, but I believe it was Clinton who shut it down by not signing a bill passed by Congress. The stink happened to stick to the Republicans though. I'll do a search and if I'm incorrect I'll make a correction.Quote:
Originally Posted by robuzo
Clinton's veto triggered the shutdown. It took place after Clinton vetoed the spending bill that Congress sent him. The debt ceiling was not raised and the government shutdown began.Quote:
Originally Posted by robuzo
The liberal media being lapdogs for Clinton bent the story so, as I say, the stink stuck to the Republicans.
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2011/07/5055.jpg
Preposterous. But that's how the media sold it.
The fact is Obama and his gang have made things worse. The grand dream of equality will be realized when all of our savings are wiped out. When the dollar becomes worthless we will all be equal. We will all be in the same boat. Equal at last!Quote:
Originally Posted by S LandrethWorse you say? He’s just trying ta fix what some before him have fucked up so badly.Quote:
Originally Posted by attaboy
71% of national debt happened during GOP presidencies; 28% under Dem presidents
GOP Presidents
$9.5 trillion
Dem Presidents
$3.8 trillion
Total debt is $14.3 trillion.
$1 trillion of debt comes from before Reagan (NYT doesn't make clear who created that debt).
$13.3 trillion accumulated from Reagan to Obama.
71% of the $13.3 trillion was under GOP presidents.
28% of the $13.3 trillion was under Dem presidents.
Link: AMERICAblog News: 71% of national debt happened during GOP presidencies; 28% under Dem presidents
Concerning your numbers, do you want to clarify which years the House of Representatives and the Senate were dominated by Democrats? And then allocate each year of deficit spending. That would make more sense.
You know what else would help? What programs and federal agencies are eating up our budgets and which political party can they be attributed to? Let's start with the federal Department of Education.
in the linkQuote:
Originally Posted by attaboy
where?
here,............
PS And before anyone says "you have to look at who controlled Congress," I don't recall the Republicans worrying about that fact when they blamed Obama for the deficit and the national debt.
What's more, I also don't recall any Republican presidents vetoing the debt ceiling increase during their tenure. In fact, many of the biggest causes of the national debt were GOP presidential initiatives, such as:
* Reagan defense budgets and tax cuts
* George HW Bush gulf war
* George W Bush tax cuts, wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
The rich are doing just fine in the USA, as are corporations. It's just the other 95% that have to tighten their belt, because the rich want yet more tax cuts. When they stuff it up again, I wonder where the money will come from to bail them out this time? :chitown:Quote:
Originally Posted by attaboy
^So how will the rich get around the great equalizer of a worthless dollar due to irresponsible fiscal policy? Put their money in Brazilian bonds? Invest anywhere else but the USA? It sounds like the sort of thing the rich would do if they were living in Venezuela under Hugo Chavez's rule. When the rich and middle class (because the middle class are not that stupid unless they work in an ivory tower), when the rich and the middle class invest their money outside the country, there is a problem which needs addressing.
Social security and Medicare/Medicaid don't register on the meter? They make up 43% of US expenditures. It's the equivalent of what we are borrowing. Howabout all the departments. Do we really need a Department of Education on the national level? How's it been performing since Carter created it?Quote:
What's more, I also don't recall any Republican presidents vetoing the debt ceiling increase during their tenure. In fact, many of the biggest causes of the national debt were GOP presidential initiatives, such as:
* Reagan defense budgets and tax cuts
* George HW Bush gulf war
* George W Bush tax cuts, wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
With spooky places like Texas as part of the union, most definitely. :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by attaboy
You do raise an interesting point though, and one I have speculated about for a while.
Politically, the USA seems to have become unmanageable. The US is just a union of states like the EU, so maybe it should take a leaf from their book and loosen the alliance somewhat. The Right might call this 'States rights', I would call it a partial demerger.
Individual states, or grouping of states, can then justify their governance and performance to their own constituents. If you want to live in a place with bare or no minimum wages, a slashed education system, and no health care system, fine- you will benefit from lower taxes too- but needless to say, your 'entitlements' when you are sick, retired or made redundant are not the responsibility of any other state or the feds.
I certainly don't see all that much in common between the red and blue states, or the heartland and coastal states, these days- beyond that increasingly insipid national flag hanging over everything.
‪President Obama's Leadership Failure‬‏ - YouTube
This video says it all...since President Obama took office the national debt is up 35% and unemployment is up 18%, yet he opposes real reforms that would get spending under control and our economy moving again. It is time to lead. Tell President Obama to put America's needs ahead of partisan politics at http://Americansforprosperity.org
Every picture tells a story,……….
Guy fucked up.
Link: The Threat and the Picture That May End Obama's Presidency | MyFDL
Victory for the terrorists.Quote:
Originally Posted by S Landreth