Brave American Soldiers!

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Originally Posted by DrivingForce

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Originally Posted by flash

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Originally Posted by DrivingForce

with a bordering nation that would/could enter your sovereign nation at any point just because they don't accept your politics or because you want the right to chose which parts of your nation belong to you and which parts don't?

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That's exactly what it has been like where I live

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that's why I didn't debate it with a moron.. cause if that's what you think that's clearly what you are.. you should live next door to Venezuela then any time you'd like to move be on your way, cause we ain't going anywhere..and i'm sure they'd welcome you with open arms.. :rolleyes:

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I'm a moron?? I live in Ireland, Ireland was first invaded by the English in the 12th century and conflict still exists to this day, maybe you should pull your head out of your arse for a change, MORON!

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Originally Posted by spiff

The recent incursions seem a desperate attempt to be seen to do something, anything. Has nought to do with upcoming elections in the US, of course.

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Are you just making this stuff up?

The recent incursions were because US soldiers had actionable intel on Taleban and AQ fighters making raids INTO Afghanistan and then retreating back into Pakistan. It's their sanctuary for the moment. And the Pak Army is standing by protecting the henhouse while the foxes run wild -- even into Islamabad.

Admiral Mullen CJCS said the Pakistan military leaders have made no comments to the effect that they will shoot US forces making border incursions. But why do they say this and then come into Afghanistan to hunt US soldiers. This could turn out very badly for them.

Also Pakistan Army helicopters and Pakistan soldiers resupplying AQ in Afghanistan. Whose side are they on again?

The Pakis are posturing. I agree with State Dept comments made last week they they have neither the will nor the ability to do this themselves. As Afghanistan is cleansed, the rats will jump to Pakistan, then somewhere in the Horn of Africa to join their brothers.

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Originally Posted by pickel

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Originally Posted by DrivingForce

we've both given you poignant answers now and your brain is so frozen it won't comprehend so that's why I don't debate with nutters such as yourself.. your too fekking jaded to see the real truth..

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So you enter the issues thread to only debate (i.e. agree) with people that hold your own views? And resort to name calling of those who don't? :rolleyes:

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not name calling.. just calls it as I sees it.. and just because this is issues doesn't mean I am under any obligation to debate every post in here..it's my choice to debate the one's I deem worthy of my time and the points as well..that's nothing new, everyone does the same..
I don't deem your nonsensical question or obviously pointless attempt at a jab worthy of my time..simple enough for you?? or do I need to use sign language??

CJCS: More Pakistan border fights likely

http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/20...istan_092508w/

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Originally Posted by DrivingForce

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Originally Posted by flash

I live in Ireland, Ireland

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55555 like I said!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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At least the Irish are capable of winning a war and running a reasonably succesfull economy. Care to compare and contrast economic well being, happiness, individual freedom, and world image? I doubt you can, you currently hold the teakdoor record for being wrong in almost everything you say, you also hold the teakdoor bitch-slapped record for putting on ignore everybody who makes you look like an idiot, not that it matters as your idiocy is painfully obvious.

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Originally Posted by DrivingForce

not name calling

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Really...... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by DrivingForce

shame such a self centered and unappreciative prick like you

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Originally Posted by DrivingForce

moron

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nutters such as yourself

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You amuse me. :)

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Originally Posted by DrivingForce

more over just today the local tribal region leaders vowed to fight the Taliban and AQ claiming they had had enough, but it all seemed like a staged and coerced show for the public and to ward off the Pakistani effort like they want to be seen as doing something but not really when it comes down to it..for the purposes of business as usual so the Pakistani's and the US will go back to their camps and all is well..

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That's old news from 4 weeks ago. What gives you the impression it is for "show"?

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

they are murderers, why aren't they at the Hague yet ?

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How about the people from Hague goes there and tries to take them? I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

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Originally Posted by Texpat

Now tell us again who is intentionally killing innocent civilians in the name of religion?

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The GIs, they serve their commander in chief who happen to be a religious nutcase and think God gave him a mission to accomplish,

how does that fit your definition of religious war ? or are you still in denial ?

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If Bush is such a religious nutcase, why doesn't he say a word about the persecution of Christians in Islamic countries? Why does he allow Muslims to come to America if he thought that he was fighting a religious war?

You might want to look past your hate of America.

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Originally Posted by machangezi

Incursion by your troops? LOL! Whatever the hell happened when Osama and your troops were both in Afghanistan? You couldn't get him in Afghanistan and it is less likely to get him in tribal areas of Pakistan. Better pack, save your troops' lives, and bugger off.

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You sound a bit like that guy who said "Mothers of all Wars !"
What ever happened to him?

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Originally Posted by Christopher

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

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Originally Posted by Texpat

Now tell us again who is intentionally killing innocent civilians in the name of religion?

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The GIs, they serve their commander in chief who happen to be a religious nutcase and think God gave him a mission to accomplish,

how does that fit your definition of religious war ? or are you still in denial ?

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...If Bush is such a religious nutcase, why doesn't he say a word about the persecution of Christians in Islamic countries? Why does he allow Muslims to come to America if he thought that he was fighting a religious war?...

You might want to look past your hate of America.

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Bush may realise we're in a religious war, and I believe he does, but just like the rest of our free world leaders he cannot confess it publicly.

Quite simply we are witnessing the beginnings of a religious war that will continue to escalate.

As I posted in another thread that suddenly went quiet, the key to it all is our need for self sufficiency in energy, without which we can never address the most critical global issue of a runaway religion, and without the paralysing fear of being starved to death by the oil barons.

To preempt the usual suspects, of course self sufficiency won't be the solution to all of our problems, but it will allow the West to more effectively confront the scourge, which in any reasonable person's mind should be seen as the greatest threat to civilisation in recorded history.

If you absolutely must swallow a frog then best not to look at it too long, and if you absolutely must swallow many frogs then best to do the big one first.


PS: Don't take the Bush haters too seriously, some of them really do believe Bush is the religious nutter we need to watch, rather than the hijackers of a peaceloving islam...On second thoughts, could be these types that we do need to take more seriously!

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Originally Posted by keda

If you absolutely must swallow a frog then best not to look at it too long, and if you absolutely must swallow many frogs then best to do the big one first.

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Am I allowed to spice it up with some fried garlic? :)

As long as you swallow, yes.

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Originally Posted by Texpat

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Originally Posted by spiff

The recent incursions seem a desperate attempt to be seen to do something, anything. Has nought to do with upcoming elections in the US, of course.

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Are you just making this stuff up?

The recent incursions were because US soldiers had actionable intel on Taleban and AQ fighters making raids INTO Afghanistan and then retreating back into Pakistan. It's their sanctuary for the moment. And the Pak Army is standing by protecting the henhouse while the foxes run wild -- even into Islamabad.

Admiral Mullen CJCS said the Pakistan military leaders have made no comments to the effect that they will shoot US forces making border incursions. But why do they say this and then come into Afghanistan to hunt US soldiers. This could turn out very badly for them.

Also Pakistan Army helicopters and Pakistan soldiers resupplying AQ in Afghanistan. Whose side are they on again?

The Pakis are posturing. I agree with State Dept comments made last week they they have neither the will nor the ability to do this themselves. As Afghanistan is cleansed, the rats will jump to Pakistan, then somewhere in the Horn of Africa to join their brothers.

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20,000 refugees flee Pakistan for Afghanistan

Posted 10 hours 10 minutes ago
Some 20,000 people from Pakistan's north-western tribal region of Bajaur have fled to Afghanistan this summer due to intense fighting between government forces and militants, the United Nations said.
The Pakistani military launched an offensive in August for control over the strategically key region of Bajaur and have been involved in heavy fighting since then.

20,000 refugees flee Pakistan for Afghanistan - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

International Herald Tribune

Hardly a case of Pakistan doing nothing.

i wonder how many of them are refugees.

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Originally Posted by keda

i wonder how many of them are refugees.

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yep...:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by keda

i wonder how many of them are refugees.

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Care to expand on that comment? It appears that the US claims Pakistan is not doing anything is BS.

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Originally Posted by DrivingForce

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Originally Posted by keda

i wonder how many of them are refugees.

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yep...:rolleyes:

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Another well thought out, deep and meaningful post by Mr DF.
Perhaps you might like to expand on the comment Mr DF?

Seems you missed my question in post # 107, Driver.

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Originally Posted by Panda

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Originally Posted by keda

i wonder how many of them are refugees.

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Care to expand on that comment? It appears that the US claims Pakistan is not doing anything is BS.

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Easy. According to your post, the UN say 20k 'refugees' have fled to Afghanistan due to fighting between the Pakis and militants. Would you therefore promote the idea that 20k Paki refugees have actually fled over the border, or is there an outside chance that you may consider not all of them are refugees in the context that we're led to believe?

In case that's unclear, let's clarify with an example...would you regard an AQ fighter that has joined a stream of refugees as AQ or a refugee?

May be just my cynical mind on overtime, but I suspect some of those 'refugees' were islamic jihadists playing a common enough game when they're on the receiving end and about to get fcuked? What are your thoughts on that suggestion?

By the way, which 'militants' have the Pakis been engaging? Are they warlords, organised bandits, Taleban, AQ, or some other radical islamic outfit? I don't know, perhaps you can shed some light.

I don't know what the situation on the ground is anymore than you do Keda.
The UN says 20,000 refugees have crossed the border into Afghanistan .

How many of them might be Al Qaeda sympathizers is any ones guess. The American supremacists here have been trying to say Pakistan is doing nothing and is in fact protecting radical Muslim fighters entering Afghanistan. This UN report shows their opinion to be untrue. In fact, a statement from a military official in the Heralds article blames back up from within Afghanistan on the deaths of Pakistani soldiers. You have to ask the question, -- where the hell was the US military while all this has been going on for the past 2 months.

"At a briefing for reporters on Monday in Islamabad, the Pakistan capital, a Pakistani military official said the Bajaur militants had put up stiff resistance and had used equipment and reinforcements from across the border in Afghanistan."

It would perhaps be a good idea if the US would support their so called allies instead of encroaching on their sovereign territory against their express wishes and claiming they are not doing anything.

The US has bought themselves an allie in Pakistan in the Afghan war by lifting sanctions and offering them a choice between getting bombed or becoming allies, but shiting in Pakistans face by making untrue statements they are doing nothing and then making military incursions into their sovereign territory without consent is surely the height of arrogance and certain to test the tentative relationship.

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I don't know what the situation on the ground is anymore than you do Keda.
The UN says 20,000 refugees have crossed the border into Afghanistan .

How many of them might be Al Qaeda sympathizers is any ones guess. The American supremacists here have been trying to say Pakistan is doing nothing and is in fact protecting radical Muslim fighters entering Afghanistan. This UN report shows their opinion to be untrue. In fact, a statement from a military official in the Heralds article blames back up from within Afghanistan on the deaths of Pakistani soldiers. You have to ask the question, -- where the hell was the US military while all this has been going on for the past 2 months.

"At a briefing for reporters on Monday in Islamabad, the Pakistan capital, a Pakistani military official said the Bajaur militants had put up stiff resistance and had used equipment and reinforcements from across the border in Afghanistan."

It would perhaps be a good idea if the US would support their so called allies instead of encroaching on their sovereign territory against their express wishes and claiming they are not doing anything.

The US has bought themselves an allie in Pakistan in the Afghan war by lifting sanctions and offering them a choice between getting bombed or becoming allies, but shiting in Pakistans face by making untrue statements they are doing nothing and then making military incursions into their sovereign territory without consent is surely the height of arrogance and certain to test the tentative relationship.

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I had no problem, just that you asked me to expand on my comment in post *115 which is what I thought I did.

As to the rest of your post, no secret where I stand and I've said it more than once - as a backward muslim nation the Pakis cannot, repeat cannot throw their chips in with the US.

Take exception to the term backward, if you wish, but that's what they are and I used it as relevant, since the more backward a nation and its people the easier it is for power hungry islamic radicals to establish their power base, on ignorance and submission, from where time and opportunity will see expansion and greater influence. As a side note, and sadly incredible, the same armchair intellectuals that despise the empire building West are quite content to snipe away at the US as islamic fundamentalism expands, and with declared and unambiguous designs on the rest of the world.



I don't doubt that the Paki gov are supporting radical muslim outfits, or that they see it as not just expedient to play both sides against the middle, but the only way for them, as a mildly moderate secular islamic gov to survive. In this respect you are most definitely wrong to suggest the US bought an ally in Pakistan. They did no such thing, unless one fantasises the bargirl they picked up last night was more than rented.

Also, in the same para, what makes you believe the US offered the Pakis a choice between getting bombed or becoming allies? May be something I've missed, but as far as I know the US wants no beef with the Pakis, precisely because it is a backward islamic powderkeg that would relish the consequences of the Great Satan threatening to bomb it.

If this lumps me in as an American supremacist then so be it, but I do believe that the US is batting for the rest of the civilised world against the greatest threat to progress in recorded history. This should not be read to imply that everything they do is superior, or even right, just that they acknowledge the declared religious war of attrition against the West as more than the rabid fantasy of a deranged mind, and are confronting the menace sooner rather than later.



Amazingly, many supposedly intelligent and free thinking adults cannot reconcile what they would like to believe, that the US is the greatest danger to world peace, with reality, being the scourge of radical islam.

For what it's worth, I think the US does not have a hope in hell of stemming the wave of radical islamic repugnance moving against civilised Man, handicapped as it is by the cloak of democratic values and principles.

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Originally Posted by keda

If this lumps me in as an American supremacist then so be it, but I do believe that the US is batting for the rest of the civilised world against the greatest threat to progress in recorded history.

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A point so distasteful to many here, they often find themselves cheering for the bad guys. They'd rather be at the business end of a terrorists gun than admit the US has gone to great lengths to make their world safer.

A good example will wander in after a few moments.

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Originally Posted by Texpat

for the bad guys

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it's all black/white and good guys/ bad guys?

you remind me of an autistic child.

Thanks rc. :)