GOP: now & in the future

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Originally Posted by attaboy

Republican opposition to Obama's social democrat agenda, an agenda even a super majority Democrat Congress couldn't agree on does not translate to Republicans being obstructionists.

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more bullshit.

let's take a look at the facts, and put aside your fox 'news' talking points...

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Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Tuscaloosa, is blocking Senate action on executive branch nominations, a spokeswoman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said this afternoon in an e-mail.

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It is not clear when Shelby placed the hold or how many nominees are affected. While individual holds are not unusual, Gary Jacobson, a congressional expert at the University of California at San Diego, said he knew of no previous use of a blanket hold.

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Senate leader: Richard Shelby blocking action on executive branch nominations | Breaking News from the Press-Register - al.com

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(the) nominee to head the General Services Administration whom he said was denied a vote for nine months, and then confirmed by a 96-0 vote.

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Obama meets the press - First Read - msnbc.com


the general services administration. how is that position related to a 'social democrat agenda'?



the part of no is doing everything it can to obstruct the president of the united states....and sooner or later they're going to overplay their hand. in fact, those dopes boehner and cantor almost did it this week, by sayint they weren't going to show up at the bipartisan health care summit.

and btw, this is nothing new from republicans, they've been doing at least since the 80s......they are purposefully trying to destroy government so they can say, "see, it doesn't work".

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Originally Posted by attaboy

And you wonder why blue collar Democrats and independents show up at Tea Party events?

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after the applause that greeted tom tancredo's racist diatribe last week, i no longer wonder why some people go to tea-klux-klan rallies.

I coundn’t get to the PDF file (of the poll) in the link you provided. But I was able to find it in another source:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_021010.html

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Face it, the public is angry and it's only the start of bamboy's second year.

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If you look at the question/answer below (from the poll) you’ll see more Americans would rather have Obama than the Rethugs handling today’s major issues.

5. Who do you trust to do a better job handling [ITEM] - (Obama) or (the Republicans in Congress)?

a. The economy, Obama-47, Rep-42, Both-1, Neither-7, No Opin-2
b. Health care reform, Obama-46, Rep-41, Both-1, Neither-9, No Opin-2
c. The federal budget deficit, Obama-45, Rep-43, Both-1, Neither-9, No Opin-1
d. The threat of terrorism, Obama-47, Rep-42, Both-2, Neither-6, No Opin-2
e. Creating jobs, Obama-48, Rep-41, Both-2, Neither-8, No Opin-2


from another source,……

Dems have done their best to characterize the convince their members to make the election a choice between the 2 parties, and voters would still pick Pres. Obama's agenda over the GOP's. A plurality say they trust Obama more than GOPers to handle the economy, health care reform, the federal budget deficit, the threat of terrorism and to create jobs.

Link: Dem Popularity At Historic Lows - Hotline On Call

OK so this latest poll doesn’t bode well for Dems in some cases. But in the end it still shows people trust the Dems leading than the Rethugs.

4. Overall, which party, the (Democrats) or the (Republicans), do you trust to do a better job in coping with the main problems the nation faces over the next few years?
Dem-43, Repub-37, Both-2, Neither-17, No opinion-2


I am one of the many (Dems) people who feel the same way as these people feel who were polled and not happy with the situation in Washington. But I would rather have the Dems solve the problem than any republican in the limelight today.

"boehner and cantor almost did it this week, by sayint they weren't going to show up at the bipartisan health care summit."

I need a link for this. I'd like to read the details.


Tancredo is one man at one event. I didn't hear what he had to say and I was never impressed by what he had to say. The Tea Party itself doesn't concern me, I'm looking forward to the effects the Tea Party movement will have in 2010. Enjoy.

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Originally Posted by attaboy

I need a link for this. I'd like to read the details.

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what?

you mean this wasn't discussed in detail on the 'savage nation'?

but i suppose it's not that surprising....AM talk radio and fox 'news' don't often go off narrative.

after obama announced the summit, boehner and cantor sent this letter to white house.....

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"if the starting point for this meeting is the job-killing bills the American people have already soundly rejected, Republicans would rightly be reluctant to participate."

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Obama would take bill that's not all he wants - Yahoo! News


then they took a few minutes to think about the optics of those empty chairs at the summit.

dopes.

^In other words, you got nothing.

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boehner and cantor almost did it this week, by sayint they weren't going to show up at the bipartisan health care summit.

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You made it up.

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Originally Posted by ray

then they took a few minutes to think about the optics of those empty chairs at the summit.

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And you say you witnessed this? :rolleyes:

^ That's how I'm looking at this mtg: drag in the GOP so if all goes awry, we can blame it on them.

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Originally Posted by S Landreth

OK so this latest poll doesn’t bode well for Dems in some cases. But in the end it still shows people trust the Dems leading than the Rethugs.

4. Overall, which party, the (Democrats) or the (Republicans), do you trust to do a better job in coping with the main problems the nation faces over the next few years?
Dem-43, Repub-37, Both-2, Neither-17, No opinion-2


I am one of the many (Dems) people who feel the same way as these people feel who were polled and not happy with the situation in Washington. But I would rather have the Dems solve the problem than any republican in the limelight today.

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Did that poll include Independents? Hard to believe.

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Originally Posted by raycarey

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Originally Posted by attaboy

Republican opposition to Obama's social democrat agenda, an agenda even a super majority Democrat Congress couldn't agree on does not translate to Republicans being obstructionists.

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more bullshit.

let's take a look at the facts, and put aside your fox 'news' talking points...

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Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Tuscaloosa, is blocking Senate action on executive branch nominations, a spokeswoman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said this afternoon in an e-mail.

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And blah, blah, etc.
Stupid ninny talk, ra. It's a block against the prez's nominees. That is NOT blocking fking Senate action. Besides, bamboy can slap his nominees (in this case, a jerkwad pro-union fek for the Labor Board who wants to empower the unions further -- ya, let's be like Greece!!!) in place during recess. Man, some folks must be blowing Hershey squirts in fear that their mental disability pensions will be cut. :mid:

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Did that poll include Independents? Hard to believe.

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of course it included independents...and they have no time or respect for palin.

did you even click through to the link?

thought not.

:yawn:

carry on reading newsmax.com and watching fox 'news'.....they never go off narrative.

What happened to the rest of this topic? Where did it go? Did ray ever respond?

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Originally Posted by attaboy

Did ray ever respond?

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the response is in post #154.

do you always need someone to hold your hand?

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

And blah, blah, etc. Stupid ninny talk

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yet another substantive reply. :yawn:

the republicans have consistently misused the filibuster---until 2 days ago when they backed down to obama and caved on a lot of their pointless obstructionism---which has caused many to call for a change to senate rules.

They say a picture paints a thousand words-

https://teakdoor.com/Gallery/albums/u...filiate.91.jpg

Party of No? :rolleyes:

Anyway, Obama has succesfully bottled out the GOP by declaring that he would make recess appointments, as he is entitled to do. The GOP knows that their wanton obstructionism will not play well with the average voter, so they caved in- at least partially. Some 27 senior appointments have been confirmed, or are in the process of being confirmed. So that leaves about 35 still being held up. Naturally, the GOP have 'warned' Obama not to make recess appointments, but quietly, by their tubthumping standards. I wonder why? :rolleyes:

Facing stiff Democratic opposition, George W. Bush used a recess appointment to place John Bolton as the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations in 2005 after a grueling five month long nomination process. Bush used recess appointments over 170 times during his presidency. While this might raise eyebrows, it should be noted that Bill Clinton made 139 recess appointments during his 8 year tenure.
Obama Threatens Bypass Of Constitution With "Recess Appointments"?



No doubt some lowbrow Right wing rag somewhere is tirading about what a threat to democracy Obamas recess appointments would be. What drivel. Anyhow, doesn't seem he needs to make any now- but if he wants to, he should. He da Man.

About time the GOP got the ability to block bills. 42 since Brown was seated? It's obvious how stupid the Dem bills are then, innit?
Bolton was an excellent choice for UN Ambassador. He didn't take any crap from the poncey UN flakes, who are as bad as libbies in terms of dithering and spending.

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Bolton was an excellent choice for UN Ambassador.

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A distinctly minority viewpoint. It didn't take him long at all to be turfed out, and when he was the relief was tangible- including from all but the most hardline Neo-cons in the Bush administration, it seemed to me.

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

And blah, blah, etc. Stupid ninny talk, ra. It's a block against the prez's nominees. That is NOT blocking fking Senate action.

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so two days ago it was 'stupid ninny talk'.

and now......

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

About time the GOP got the ability to block bills

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and yes, the republicans are/were blocking appointments and bills.

you really don't have any idea how the senate works, do you? or how govt. works, for that matter?

this reminds me of when you had to be informed that the senate was part of the congress.

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

42 since Brown was seated?

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it's clear to all that you have no interest in facts...but no jet, it's 41.

59 senators caucus with the democrats.

This is an article/post from Redstate.com, a right wing blog. Even they are uncomfortable with some of their own, now.

We’ve always banned truthers at RedState. Increasingly, we have also banned a number of individuals who think Barack Obama is disqualified from being President because despite the Republican Governor of Hawaii confirming the legitimacy of the Democratic President’s birth origin as a citizen of the United States these birthers (”birfers” because it sounds as crazy as they are) refuse to move on.

Today I want to reaffirm and make it more definitive. If you think 9/11 was an inside job or you really want to debate whether or not Barack Obama is an American citizen eligible to be President, RedState is not a place for you.

Birfers and Truthers are not welcome here. Period. End of Story.

(Snip)

Birfers and Truthers have no place among us. And they are most decidedly not welcome at RedState.


Cleaning House

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but they're more than welcome in the issues section of TD...because they're fun to laugh at.

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Bolton was an excellent choice for UN Ambassador.

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I think Bolton was the worst possible choice for the UN at that time, the guy had a history of disparaging the entire institution and had no intention of working with it; he is an unrepentant NeoCon of the worst order even after their murderous philosophy has been exposed for what it is.

Bush flipped the bird to the entire UN by sending Bolton over and got smacked down for it. Wolfowitz at the IMF wasn't any better and look how that turned out.

^ Exactly. That's why I thought he was perfect for the job. :)

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Originally Posted by raycarey

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

42 since Brown was seated?

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it's clear to all that you have no interest in facts...but no jet, it's 41.

59 senators caucus with the democrats.

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:smileylaughing: You stupid twat, I was referring to the chart in Sabang's post that indicated 42 bills had been blocked by the GOP in Feb. Learn how to read and do try to use your brain cell instead of just attacking supporters of the Party of "KNOW".

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

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Originally Posted by raycarey

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

42 since Brown was seated?

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it's clear to all that you have no interest in facts...but no jet, it's 41.

59 senators caucus with the democrats.

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:smileylaughing: You stupid twat, I was referring to the chart in Sabang's post that indicated 42 bills had been blocked by the GOP

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WHAT?

you're not serious, are you?

this is really the position you're taking?

scott brown was seated on february 11th.

the chart is through feb 12th.

42 bills blocked on his first day?

again, is this really the position you're taking?

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

supporters of the Party of "KNOW".

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:doglol:

right.

there is one thing that everyone 'knows', jet....you don't know the first thing about US politics.

get better informed.


Scott Brown to be sworn in Feb. 11 - Local News Updates - The Boston Globe

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Originally Posted by sabang

They say a picture paints a thousand words-

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Indeed..

https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2010/02/675.jpg

Heh & double heh - a year ago we heard that the GOP was a marginal party... New England Republicans Coming Out Of Woodwork After Scott Brown’s Victory.

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Originally Posted by raycarey

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Originally Posted by attaboy

Did ray ever respond?

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the response is in post #154.

do you always need someone to hold your hand?

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When does this:

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Originally Posted by taken from bohner/cantor letter

"if the starting point for this meeting is the job-killing bills the American people have already soundly rejected, Republicans would rightly be reluctant to participate."

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translate to you saying this?

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Originally Posted by ray

in fact, those dopes boehner and cantor almost did it this week, by sayint they weren't going to show up at the bipartisan health care summit.

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When does them being "reluctant" translate to to you saying "sayint they weren't going to show up at the bipartisan health care summit." ?

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Originally Posted by ray

then they took a few minutes to think about the optics of those empty chairs at the summit.

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And you know this how?

Here's a very interesting piece by Mickey Edwards, I think his opinions reflect those of some of the people on here, not the neocons obviously (bolding by me):

Today there are few things that set a "conservative's" teeth on edge more than a defense of "civil liberties;" yet that is what American conservatism was all about--protecting the liberties of the people. It was a system designed to protect the people from an over-reaching government, not to protect the government from the people. American constitutionalism was a historical high-point in recognizing individual worth. Stop at CPAC today and you will find rooms full of ardent, zealous, fervent young men and women who believe the government should be allowed to torture (we condemned people at Nuremberg for doing that), who believe the government should be able to lock people up without charges and hold them indefinitely (something Henry VIII agreed was a proper exercise of government authority). Who believe the government should be able to read a citizen's mail and listen in on a citizen's phone calls, all without a warrant (the Constitution of course prohibits searches without a warrant, but nobody cares less about the Constitution than some of today's ersatz conservatives).

I'm not at CPAC because I believe in America. I believe in liberty. I believe that governments should be held in check. I believe people matter. I believe in the flag not because of its shape or color but because of the principles it stands for--the principles in the Constitution, the principles repeated and underlined and highlighted and boldfaced and italicized in the Bill of Rights. The George W. whose presidency and precedents I admire was the first president, not the 43d. It is James Madison I admire, not John Yoo. Thomas Paine, not Glenn Beck. Jefferson, not Limbaugh.

Ronald Reagan would not have been welcome at today's CPAC or a tea party rally, but he would not have wanted to be there, either. Neither do I.

The full article and the author's credentials are here:

Mickey Edwards

Well said Mr. Edwards.

If there are any real "conservatives" left in the GOP they are doing a good job of keeping it secret.