Lieberman.
For crikes sake. Quit being a liberal wiffle waffle and pick someone on your own. Or don't you have the gumption to do so? Bladdy lefties, always let the party leaders make their decision for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by pai nai ma
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Lieberman.
For crikes sake. Quit being a liberal wiffle waffle and pick someone on your own. Or don't you have the gumption to do so? Bladdy lefties, always let the party leaders make their decision for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by pai nai ma
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Originally Posted by raycarey
Maybe you missed the fact that I posted views from both lefties and righties?
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Originally Posted by Bugs
To get as big a picture of things as possible it is awaly good to at least take a look at what folks from both sides have to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bugs
Actually there is quite bit of validity in this with the exception that it doesn't go far enough..Quote:
Originally Posted by Bugs
Tex mentioned how he had his portfolio "double under Clinton".....this is a common misconception......but it was actually the previous Republican admins that he prospered from....
You don't stop or even slow down a juggernaut like the US over the term of one admin of 4 years and sometimes not even over 2 depending on how much needs to be changed, that's old world thinking like about late 1800's. Since then there has been a wider and wider gap between what can be accomplished in 4 years much of the first term is used just playing politics and trying to get policies passed. In the case of Regan he not only had to slow it down but he had to stop it and begin momentum in the other direction and there was lot of directional changes that needed to be made.. what the end result was, was a rare opportunity for us to experience what can happen when one president puts good policies into motion and they begin to take effect towards the end of his second term and the next pres. Bush senior, mostly continued implementing those policies during his term. unfortunately human nature is to want the greener grass on the other side and it's short sighted so he was voted out of office which began the process all over again but in reverse and what we are now experiencing is the momentum of Clinton's admin. not the second Bush..
Like it or not, agree or not, a boat this big doesn't change ANY direction as quickly as people think it should and anyone who thinks it does is both short sighted and naive.. It's just like being stuck in traffic on the highway, there is an accordion effect, and it's extreme..
when the sources are reputable, of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bugs
sorry, but newsmax.com doesn't meet the criteria.
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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
yet again you show your ignorance of american politics.
if any party has a reputation of having party leaders choose the nominee, it's the republicans. it's almost a joke that many republican nominees got the nod because it was 'their turn'.
here's an interview with none other than william f. buckley who touches on the subject...
Christopher Lydon Interviews… : It’s Nelson Rockefeller’s Party
You might not like or even give credence to the source but was the meat of what they said incorrect at the time it was published?Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
Did Biden not get caught plagiarizing while a Syracuse?
Biden Admits Plagiarism in School But Says It Was Not 'Malevolent' - New York Times
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Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., fighting to salvage his Presidential campaign, today acknowledged ''a mistake'' in his youth, when he plagiarized a law review article for a paper he wrote in his first year at law school.
Did Biden not lie and say he that he graduated in the top half of his class when in fact he graduated 76 out of 85?
Biden Admits Errors and Criticizes Latest Report - New York Times
Did Biden not again stoop to plagiarism during his 1988 run for president?Quote:
In his statement today, Mr. Biden, who attended the Syracuse College of Law and graduated 76th in a class of 85, acknowledged: ''I did not graduate in the top half of my class at law school and my recollection of this was inacurate.''
Washingtonpost.com Special Report: Clinton Accused
Did Binden again try to run for president in 08, and get a paltry number of votes in the attempt?Quote:
The controversy became two frenzies in one when it was disclosed that the campaign of Massachusetts Gov. Michael S. Dukakis had earlier secretly distributed to several news media outlets an "attack video" juxtaposing the Biden and Kinnock speeches and revealing Biden's word theft.
Election Center 2008: Primary Results by date - Elections & Politics news from CNN.com
Did Biden not propose carving up Iraq into three autonomous regions?Quote:
Biden - Iowa primary votes - 2,328 - he dropped out soon after
Biden proposes partitioning Iraq - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com
Did Biden not help to pass new bankruptcy rules, and did his son work for the credit card company special interests groups that benifited from the passing of that law?Quote:
The senior Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee proposed Monday that Iraq be divided into three separate regions Kurdish, Shiite and Sunni with a central government in Baghdad.
The Associated Press: MBNA paid Biden son at critical time for bill
Obama Differed With Biden On Two Key Business Votes - WSJ.comQuote:
A son of Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden was paid an undisclosed amount of money as a consultant by MBNA, the largest employer in Delaware, during the years the senator supported legislation that was promoted by the credit card industry and opposed by consumer groups.
A few other linkys about Biden and financial issues:Quote:
Mr. Biden (D., Del.) was an ardent Democratic supporter of a major bankruptcy overhaul in 2005, much to the dismay of consumer groups and the delight of Delaware's massive credit-card companies, such as MBNA Corp. That same year, Mr. Biden voted against class-action reform legislation sought by corporations.
Biden Family Financial Connections Detailed - Washington Post Investigations
ABC News: Should Biden Share Blame for Foreclosure Crisis?Quote:
Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden is facing some questions about his family's lobbying and financial dealings.
And one more artical about Biden love of stealing the words of others, and some of his past lies thrown in for good measure:Quote:
Experts say hundreds of thousands of Americans may have lost their homes due to a bill championed by Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., Barack Obama's vice-presidential running mate.
Congressional Republicans drove the effort to pass the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act (BAPCPA) of 2005. But Biden who has enjoyed hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign donations from credit industry executives endorsed the measure early on and worked to gather Democratic support for it.
Biden's history of lies and lifted quotes :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Commentary
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Biden got in trouble in 1965, during his first year in law school. He wrote a paper in which he lifted five pages verbatim from the Fordham Law Review. He was given an F in the course. He managed to avoid being bounced from law school, retook the course and earned a B.
He claimed that he was the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship. He didnt. He did have a half scholarship that was need-based.
He did not graduate from law school in the top half of his class. He graduated 76th out of 85 and he was near the bottom of his class all three years.
If he won the moot court competition and he claimed at the time that he actually did he did not put it on his resume, surprising for a man prone to so egregiously exaggerating his accomplishments.
He did not win the award for being the outstanding student in the political science department at Delaware, and he graduated with one degree, not three. He had a C average and graduated 506th in a class of 688.
quit while you're behind bugs.....these quotes are from the article you cited....
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Joe Biden has always exhibited a smug sense of superiority.
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Biden behaved like an infantile idiot
why not just admit you're a rabid partisan...in fact, why not embrace it....why waste all that energy (and bandwith) pretending you're not?Quote:
Biden soon might sit a heartbeat away from the presidency — and thereby, God forbid, become president by an act of fate, or of Satan.
you read newsmax.com.....you're not the only one here at TD guilty of that.
Forest for the trees ol' RC.Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
Was the meat of the artical incorrect?
Also quotes from my post that linked to newsmax.com, with the supporting link from an additional source in by above post. I did not think it would be necessary to go into such detail - but here it is:
Newsmax.com quote:
Supporting link and quote:Quote:
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Biden Admits Plagiarism in School But Says It Was Not 'Malevolent' - New York Times
Newsmax.com quote:Quote:
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Supporting link and quote:Quote:
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Biden Admits Errors and Criticizes Latest Report - New York Times
Newsmax.com quote:Quote:
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Supporting link and quote:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bugs
Washingtonpost.com Special Report: Clinton Accused
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Supporting link and quote:Quote:
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Election Center 2008: Primary Results by date - Elections & Politics news from CNN.com
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Newsmax.com quote:
Supporting link and quote:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bugs
Biden proposes partitioning Iraq - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com
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This bit covers the bankruptcy bill:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bugs
Obama Differed With Biden On Two Key Business Votes - WSJ.com
The Associated Press: MBNA paid Biden son at critical time for billQuote:
Originally Posted by Bugs
This bit covers his sons relations with MBNA:
Granted I did not cover every point - Skipped the bit about the Senator Judiciary Committee, as any supporting links would likely also be partisan, also the bit about Iran as I was not old enough to know how much support Biden had for Carter nor Bidens views on the situation, also the the last bit because I already said I did not quite agree with that bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bugs
All the bits you highlighted are just surface insults that don't mean squat in regard to the validity of the meat of the artical.
i've never doubted that you find newsmax.com to be a credible source.
And I've never doubted that you would ignore the facts because of the source.Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
Pawlenty says he isn't the guy.
Hmmm looks more like a woman..... Palin??? (governor of Alaska)
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2008/08/949.jpg
Is this a dispute between 2 left thinkers? based on what i've been reading previously I would say it is, and it seems that Ray is having a problem with one on his own side of the isle? that is priceless.... Not that they shouldn't have a differing view but it really flies on the face of all of those incriminating suggestions that it is just the right side that disagrees with rc, kind of really paints him the radical doesn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by BugsAnd I've never doubted that you would ignore the facts because of the source.Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
It seems that Bugs is far more grounded and able to view this objectively which would also be apperant if I can't even difinitivly distinguish which side of the isle he stands on, should I have made the wrong distinction..
I agree with Bugs if the facts are credible and verifiable the source is irrelevant...........
You got it first off of the press, Brit:
It's probably:
Link: Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin Is McCain's VP Pick: Source - Your Money Your Vote * News * Special Report - CNBC.comQuote:
so, the 72 year old cancer patient is going to have a first term governor ( not even two years in office), of the least populated state be his VP?
sounds like a great pick to me!
and i wonder what will the boys on here have to say about her being 'an empty suit' who is 'not ready to lead'.
if it's her, i'm looking forward to the VP debate.
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This is what I was thinking, right away.Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
The Obama campaign can use the McCain VP pick as ammunition.
We'll see.
Won't be attacking a woman - excellent strategic pick for McCain and allows all the disappointed Hillary supporters a woman they can believe in.
you're always good for a laugh brit.
anyway, politico has confirmed it's palin.....should be an interesting two months.
:)
Expect a huge bump in the polls for McCain - dbl digits I expect.
DENVER - John McCain tapped little-known Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to be his vice presidential running mate on Friday in a startling selection on the eve of the Republican National Convention.
McCain said to choose Alaska gov as running mate. - Yahoo! News
someone expects mccain to get at least a ten point bump because he chose palin?Quote:
Originally Posted by britmaveric
surely this is some sort of typo.
oh, sorry.
it's a brit maverick post.
carry on.
correct on the typo. should have been "20 point bump up"..Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
A completely cynical and politically-motivated choice. Would the spin doctors really believe that the voters are as dumb as Thai voters and will just swallow this pandering. On what basis would she fit the criteria?Quote:
Originally Posted by britmaveric
with Polish and Irish ancestryHe has to chose a minority or a female . . . blacks and septuagenarians/retirees are taken so he goes for the biggest 'minority' . . . I'm surprised he hasn't found a Hispanic, left-handed female.
I'm sorry, but if this is the case then US politics are a complete joke, and this is the latest chapter in a big book of cynical ploys.
Disgusting.
Reference my bolded. Also, she's a republican.Quote:
Originally Posted by panama hat
Well yes, these two are obvious, but what does she bring . . .
Ah, I give up with this crap circus. :pushing:
^Hillary's democratic women supporters. :)
surely women will be able to see through this...and if they don't initially, i'm sure the DNC and various 527s will be more than willing to help them connect the dots.Quote:
Originally Posted by panama hat
why would stridently feminist, pro-choice women vote for someone who is fanatically anti-choice?Quote:
Originally Posted by britmaveric
and to further add to the cynical aspect of this choice....this is such a ham-fisted pick, that it could very well end up turning independent women off and make them stay home on election day.
Hope he doesn't do his back in.Quote:
Originally Posted by britmaveric
^ or his hip.
i'm watching the live stream on msnbc, and there's a warm up band doing a cover of a kiss song.
wtf?
i assume mccain and palin will be out shortly...or maybe the old guy got lost on his way to the stage.
EXACTLY and this is politics at it's best/worst. This move allows those who to vote gender to offset (or compliment) those who are are voting for BHO on solely racial preferences. A good move on McCain's part as she is said to be extreamly competant as well. After all she is governing and providing leadership in management and the running of a state where as BHO has never run anything (except his mouth).Quote:
Originally Posted by britmaveric
i doubt it, it is a very weak choiceQuote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
virtually guarantees Obama the win
Palin is nice looking....I'd fuck her. Not bad looking, big tits and with a mouth like that you know she swallows. I'm going to vote for her and McOld cause I know they feel the same way..they'd fuck me if they got the chance.
What did Hillary say....McCain will bring vast amount of experience to the presidency and Obama a speech??? :D
Two olde men, a woman and a black.
Someone should make a song out of this.
I don't know the Lady enough to comment- but from dirty Alaska? :confused:
Alaska is very pristine, fking cold though in the winter - spent a month in Jan there. :o
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by CSFFan
would make a good campaign video