Very few if any POW's were used in the Railway of Death. Mostly civilian Chinese. Another myth.Quote:
Originally Posted by britmaveric
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Very few if any POW's were used in the Railway of Death. Mostly civilian Chinese. Another myth.Quote:
Originally Posted by britmaveric
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Originally Posted by Ivor Biggun
No, first hand accounts, pal. Where did you get your stories from, Moseley's son?
And to comment on your other post, I'm not saying that any other army was better.
About 180,000 Asian labourers and 100,000 Allied prisoners of war (POWs) worked on the railway. Of these, around 90,000 Asian labourers and 16,000 Allied POWs died as a direct result of the project. The dead POWs included 6,318 British personnel, 2,815 Australians, 2,490 Dutch, about 356 Americans and some Canadians.[1]
One can only assume that the "biggun" in your nick refers to a brain tumour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivor Biggun
There is a japanes war museum in mehongson. The stroy told on the video is horrific . A apanese soldier felll in love with a thai woamn and they had two kids after the war ended.
He basically lived as a Thai man .
After several years the Thai police arrested him and he was deported.
The Woman has never forgotten him and searched for him without result.
How inhumnan can we get? The tale brought a tear to my eye!
I disagree. I think they kept them on subsistence rations so they were strong enough to be herded but too weak to overpower the number of troops assigned to guarding them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivor Biggun
Some prisoners were murdered almost as soon as they arrived at the camps. Others were treated differently:
'The camp commandant, Rudolf Höss, testified at the Nuremberg Trials that up to 2.5 million people had died at Auschwitz. The Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum revised this figure in 1990, and new calculations now place the figure at 1.1–1.6 million,[2][3] about 90 percent of whom were Jews from almost every country in Europe.[4] Most victims were killed in gas chambers using Zyklon B; other deaths were caused by systematic starvation, forced labor, lack of disease control, individual executions, and so-called medical experiments.'
Perhaps it is younger people than I who suggest that this horror has been exaggerated. If humankind is forgetting or preferring not to know about what was done during those few years, please read the full Wiki piece - and don't be ashamed to weep:
Auschwitz concentration camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
My parents' lives, families and friendships were ripped apart by that war and then they saw the newsreel brought back in stark monochrome from Europe and wept with anger. After that, crippled and deranged POW's returned from Japanese camps.
Please, no-one insult the memories of those millions of people by denying that it happened or that it could have happened since.
And here's a link that gives a little taste of what went on in the many Japanese POW camps:
World War Two - Prisoner of War Camps in Japan
Provide a Link please Brit.Quote:
Originally Posted by britmaveric
Exactly. It's what you think which is the opposite to me. We have a difference of opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by attaboy
You can be more or less be sure that the guards on the Railway of death were in fact Thai recruits. Combat soldiers left to guard prisoners is a no no, they're more inportantly needed else where.. Secondly, where are the prisoners going to escape to ? Thailand sided with the Japs so escaped prisoners would have soon been rounded up easily.
Soldiers that were captured at the fall of Singapore were never actually incarcerated. The Japs never felt a need to because they knew there was no where for them to go. They were allowed to live outside the prison and one of their pastimes was growing vegatables. Only civilians were incarcerated behind Changi walls, mostly women and children, for their own protection. Go visit the museum, if it's still there. I think the prison is now defunked.
seems that sTroller and Dr.Bob is one and the same dude, about the same mentality and same posting style,, Damn got that one figured and both seem to back up the Raghead and kraut bad habits.:rofl:
Correct, or Korean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivor Biggun
One thing that constantly irritates me is the false belief that Thais had a very high casualty rate while building the Death Railway. In fact, Thai casualties are estimated to be around 8,000. The majority of those being rebels fighting against the Japanese rule and those factions fighting with the Allies.
The vast majority of Asian casualties, estimated to number over 180,000, were taken from neighbouring countries, and the vast majority were captured as Allied soldiers from countries fighting against Japan under British control, such as Burma, India and British Malaya.
I have. Plenty of soldiers were incarcerated there, along with civilians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivor Biggun
The prison has now moved to a new location over the road.
I watched National Geographic last week which took some folk back to Changi prior to it being knocked down. It was clearly stated, on that programm, that "no soldier POW's were incarcerated inside the walls".Quote:
Originally Posted by EmperorTud
We've gone completely off topic now. No I don't think the bombing of Dresden was justified. In fact I don't sanction any bombing of civilians but when one has military targets inside civilian areas, what can one do ?
Try telling that to James Clavell. He wrote a novel based upon his experiences in Changi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivor Biggun
His book "King Rat" was fiction. It is also disputed, by some historians, about Mr Clavell's historical inaccuracies. All his books were fictitional not fact as far as I'm aware. Changi is an area in Singapore covering approx 26 sq miles. The prison itself is a precise location. Read Digger History; (ANZAC) Australia & NZ at War, a history about Changi. Above all read the ending, in red.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
I know, which is why I said....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivor Biggun
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Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
Good thing that Eisenhower was aware of that happening. He told the people under his command (and that was a handful) to take as many pictures as possible, because one day in the future some idiot would claim that it never happened...Quote:
Originally Posted by paulsmithson
I began to search the internet for evidence of the use of gas chambers to kill men, women and children; images, testimony, something. I found nothing - websites on the subject are blocked in the country where I'm now working. However, I found this Wiki piece about denial:
Criticism of Holocaust denial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Perhaps someone in a country that is a bit more open than this one can find something. I have no reason to disbelieve reports and images from the time but I'm willing to listen to evidence one way or the other. mere denial is not enough.
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I apolgise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
Of course it was justified.
They bombed our Cathedral. The bastards.
As you were.
The military targeting of civilians in order to break an enemy countries spirit and their taste for war is terrorism plain and simple. No one can deny that, surely?
The argument that the other side started it first doesn't make it any less a terrorist act. Armies are just as capable of carrying out terrorism as civilians, but usually on a bigger scale.
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