Is God real ? or is religion just a scam.

**stroller** · 27-05-2008, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by Dalton

"God" I wish Ceburat would get online...

Unlikely considering the unnecessary disrespect and offensive piss-taking in this thread and others whenever the subject is 'discussed' in this fine religion forum.

**GooMaiRoo** · 27-05-2008, 09:14 AM

God is real AND religions are essentially a scam. I'm definitely with Stroller on this one. God is evident everywhere, that evidence being the natural beauty, order and complexity of the world. As the deists like to say, "God gave us reason, not religion".

(I'm glad Texpat is keeping score, because I'm not sure if this post means that the American nonbelievers' win streak has been stopped at 5.)

**sabang** · 27-05-2008, 09:26 AM

^ I basically go along with that.

**Dalton** · 27-05-2008, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by stroller

in this fine religion forum.

Exactly my thoughts

Originally Posted by stroller

Unlikely considering the unnecessary disrespect and offensive piss-taking in this thread

Would I ever....That's blasphemy...

**MeMock** · 27-05-2008, 12:35 PM

I have no problem with people saying that they don't believe in God.

People that say that God doesn't exist, there is no proof etc etc. Well that is your opinion and there is plenty of proof.

As I do believe in God that must mean all of you who say he does not exist think that I am a liar.

**Norton** · 27-05-2008, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by floorpotato

God is evident everywhere, that evidence being the natural beauty, order and complexity of the world.

One could choose to call it evidence of god. I agree nature is evidence of a system of order but I do not believe this order is the result of some supreme intelligent being but rather a product of the way the universe works. From mankind's most primitive times we have always attributed god/gods/spirits as the cause of an observable effect we can not explain. As we increase understanding of the powers within the universe and how they all interact our perception of god evolves accordingly. This evolutionary perception of "god" will continue indefinitely for the simple reason humans seem to have an insatiable need to explain the unexplainable. We will never reach the point where all things can be explained but in the distant future our current belief's will be looked upon as quaint mythology!

**lom** · 27-05-2008, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by MeMock

As I do believe in God that must mean all of you who say he does not exist think that I am a liar.

Only if you pretend to be a believer but actually ain't one.
If you believe what you're saying, then how can it be a lie?

**Butterfly** · 27-05-2008, 01:36 PM

^ by that logic, does this mean that truth is to believe ? what if I believe that the sky is green, is that any true ?

**benbaaa** · 27-05-2008, 01:45 PM

What do you mean by real?

I'm an atheist, so I don't believe in the physical existence of any kind of supernatural being with superhuman powers. But God as an idea is certainly real and he/she/it exists in the minds of believers in the same way that joy or envy exist in peoples' minds. And like any abstract noun, God can affect behaviour here in the physical world.

**Norton** · 27-05-2008, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by benbaaa

But God as an idea is certainly real and he/she/it exists in the minds of believers

And belief in god becomes even more believable when millions agree with your belief.

**lom** · 27-05-2008, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

^ by that logic, does this mean that truth is to believe ? what if I believe that the sky is green, is that any true ?

You are mixing up true -false with truth - lie.
If you really believe the sky is green , and you tell me so, then you're not lying.
It's an opinion, it is your truth.
Doesn't necessarily have to match my opinion.

Check the word "perception" if you wanna know more.

**benbaaa** · 27-05-2008, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

And belief in god becomes even more believable when millions agree with your belief.

So when everyone thought the world was flat, it was?

**Norton** · 27-05-2008, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by benbaaa

So when everyone thought the world was flat, it was?

No but it certainly was more believable. Kinda like global warming!

**DrB0b** · 27-05-2008, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by benbaaa

Originally Posted by Norton

And belief in god becomes even more believable when millions agree with your belief.

So when everyone thought the world was flat, it was?

Of course it was. All the explorers who believed it was flat eventually fell over the edge, leaving only the roundies. The world, like the Universe, is created by a consensus of the daft, that's why it's such a bloody mess

**machangezi** · 27-05-2008, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Dalton

Is God real ?

Not sure. Been working on it for the last 15 years. Will definitely share with you once I come to know.

**Dalton** · 27-05-2008, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

And belief in god becomes even more believable when millions agree with your belief.

And incredible dangerous as well...

**Dalton** · 27-05-2008, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by machangezi

Not sure. Been working on it for the last 15 years.

Posting on forums is not work Macha....

**machangezi** · 27-05-2008, 02:48 PM

That was my second post for the day.

**Dalton** · 27-05-2008, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by MeMock

I have no problem with people saying that they don't believe in God. People that say that God doesn't exist, there is no proof etc etc. Well that is your opinion and there is plenty of proof. As I do believe in God that must mean all of you who say he does not exist think that I am a liar.

People are individuals and they believe in different things God is one of them, and no I would not call you a liar, you have the right to your own opinion. But at the same time I will ask if you also believe that God created the world we live in, cause that's a bit harder to swallow.

**Dalton** · 27-05-2008, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by machangezi

That was my second post for the day.

On TD mate..

What about all the others...

**machangezi** · 27-05-2008, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Dalton

Originally Posted by machangezi

That was my second post for the day.

On TD mate..

What about all the others...

TD regular only.

**Dalton** · 27-05-2008, 03:07 PM

^

Right....

**benbaaa** · 27-05-2008, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

a consensus of the daft

That's got a nice ring to it. I think my faith in democracy came to an end the day I watched Family Fortunes and the question was "We asked 100 people what part of the chicken you can't eat" and the top answer was "wings".

**stroller** · 27-05-2008, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by Dalton

But at the same time I will ask if you also believe that God created the world we live in, cause that's a bit harder to swallow.

That is a central part of the Christian understanding of 'god'. He is the creator.

**machangezi** · 27-05-2008, 03:32 PM

Not to mention, muzzie's too.

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