Culture in decline. New series by Peter Joseph

[Neo]

**Warning - Demopublicans may suffer bouts of rationality - Warning**

[Neo]

Website... "Culture in Decline" - by Peter Joseph - Creator of The Zeitgeist Film Series

[alwarner]

Nothing is a constant.

[Albert Shagnastier]

**Warning - Demopublicans may suffer bouts of rationality - Warning**

Haven't even watched it yet but nice one for bringing some new content from a legend

P.S Doouble points for the bird on the freeze frame - lush

[misskit]

Couldn't see some bits of that video but I thinks he's borderline squirrelly.

Enjoyed it none the less.

[Tom Sawyer]

So is culture in decline or is it constantly changing? Which is his main point? I say this prior to watching the entire video. Does beg the question at the beginning

EDIT: Watching now - yes very good. A bit of a Chris Hedges copy, but very good

[Neo]

Is it in decline...? Humanity may look back and see the enlightenment that civilization went through in order to achieve human rights and standards as being a blip on an otherwise flat scale, it would seem we are certainly on the downward slide of that post WWII period in time at least from the point we are now standing. Conversly of course this kind of programme, though seemingly preaching to the converted, may well be the seed of a new enlightenment for the new generation, perhaps even spurring on an individual to be a great catalyst for future change.

For me.. It's based on facts and goes against the grain, it's something to watch while the world burns.

[billy the kid]

culture in decline or
maybe regression.

yes enjoyed vid..

[Hampsha]

Great video. Despite the obvious points in it, Republicans will reject most of it. They are tied to corporations before people, religion, all the passive obedience triggers, the 911 patriotic circle jerk and the rest of it.

[Grower]

I watched it; still thinking about it, may watch again. Some a bit too slick. But hard to argue the main points, sort of begs the obvious, no? Well, maybe not for some.
Thanks to the OP though...

[Hampsha]

You basically have to become an enemy-of-the-state if you are sensible these days.

[Neo]

The awareness of the schizm between the role of the population and the legitimacy of the authority has grown with the rise of global communications. Now we can see not only what is happening in formally un-newsworthy parts of the world, but also how that parallels with what is happening in our own country.

The revolution is being televised, but as Peter Joseph so dishearteningly makes clear the majority don't have the collective energy to make it anything more than a long term one sided conflict that will only further entrench the position of the rulers.

[Zooheekock]

This is the guy behind those awful Zeitgeist films, right?

[Neo]

One would assume the premise of Zeitgeist is to formulate complex ideas in a way that the general public can understand.
I've only watched the latest one myself. Tbh, I find the two hour conspiracy type docs to be information overkill.
They don't have Hollywood or CNN production values, because it's a new concept I guess, and that puts a lot of people off too.
This latest bi monthly effort by Joseph seems slicker and therefore far more accessible to the spoonfed masses.

Personally I think it's preaching to the already converted,
but the goal is to keep pushing the ideas forward so they can compete with the overwhelming 'official' version.

You think that's shit..? Ok.

The longer answer would possibly have been more insightful

I think with any media you have to sift through the information and correlate it with other sources before deciding on it's legitimacy, there are a lot of whackjobs out there that want to hop on the train of free publicity, but even mainstream sources are starting to follow the lead of the internet documentary makers, and information, such as the recent revelation that austerity in the UK has punished savers and benefited the already rich, is now part of the headline news.

And headline news being 4/5 on demand entertainment, it would seem that that the masses are waking up and do want this kind of information. Without the impetus of the internet pushing forward it's agenda, I don't think this would be the case.

[Zooheekock]

It was a while ago that I watched Zeitgeist but what I remember was all the stuff about the origins of Christianity and some daft conspiracy theories including, inevitably, 9/11 and I've got no time at all for that rubbish. Perhaps there was something worthwhile in it but if so I can't remember it. In fact, my main impression was that this must be what it feels like to be on the edge of an episode of psychosis. Much more valuable (being grounded in both reality and decent scholarship) are people like David Harvey (who teaches at CUNY) or Richard Wolff (who teaches at Massachusetts), both of whom make a huge amount of material available on their websites. Or if it's films you want, I watched this the other day and thought it wasn't bad: or any of Adam Curtis's films.

[Neo]

Have to ask.. did you actually watch the film 'Culture in Decline' that is in the OP..?

Anyway, thanks for the heads up, I'll browse the film when I get time, and will certainly look into Harvey and Wolff.

This film seems to be the most poignant, well made and educational at this point in time and is certainly causing quite a stir on the net. 2 hours long, but well worth it if you break it up into 30 minute slots.. a lot of it I was aware of, but some of the key points were new to me, as they are to the majority of people outside the closed doors of the financial markets.

[misskit]

^I took the two hours to watch that documentary. It was excellent. Explains very simply where money comes from and how the banking system works.

Oh, no. Another shooter in New York killed twelve people. I have to watch the news.

[Albert Shagnastier]

I'm 10 minutes in.

Sterling job by Mr Joseph on evolving. What an evolution since the original Zeitgeist and as it should be.

Neo. You mentioned earlier that you can't be arsed with watching the original, as there are too many over informative long docos. Zeitgeist 1 was straight out of the blue. I saw that a few weeks after it had been released. Every mate that saw it around that time had a dropped jaw. Immediately the disinformation machine went to work churning out cookie cutter same length docos covering the same things but twisting the story a little. This kept happening until every fucker was lost. It worked so well that most people have no idea what to look at, fall for the constant twisting of little truths and don't want to listen anymore.

It's important that those that can both listen to Jimmy and hear him at the same time step up and help mould the future.

[Tom Sawyer]

The world is awakening. And the reason why is that we have been able to break free of the jewish-american control of mass media. It's as simple as that. Question is - for how long will this be allowed to continue?

[Hampsha]

One factor affecting average folks like myself in this enlightenment is the amount of information out there. Despite there being nothing on the 57 channels of cable TV, the Internet is overload. As I said earlier what next? A lot of people want change now maybe not enough to change anything. It's not fun living with this view of the world.

[misskit]

The second documentary, 97% Owned, gives much food for thought. Though it was focusing on the banks in London, the same situations and worse exist on Wall Street. The frightening thing to me is those banks have come to control so much of the funny money, that if allowed to fail, all that money will disappear. Yikes!

I think the right thing to do is break down the big banks and not let them have control of the economy any longer. If our governments remain unwilling or unable to do anything about it, people must take it upon themselves to use barter or some of the ways described at the end of the documentary to circumvent the big banks.

Did anyone who watched that docu look into any of those alternative ways of transferring money and doing foreign exchange? If so what did you find?

[misskit]

Answering my own question here. A link for a foreign exchange service that bypasses the big banks.

Ethical Currency - Home

I've looked it up and it is legit.

I know many immigrants in the USA use a kind of person to person system to move their money between countries without paying the expensive bank charges. Takes a lot of trust though I've never heard anyone say anyone had ever lost their money this way.

It also makes me wonder why businesses complain about being taxed by their governments when they are paying huge amounts to banks for foreign exchange transactions. Doesn't make sense. Why don't they complain about the bank charges, or do they get breaks?

[Hampsha]

More info but thanks misskit. I was wondering about this.

[Neo]

The second documentary, 97% Owned, gives much food for thought. Though it was focusing on the banks in London, the same situations and worse exist on Wall Street. The frightening thing to me is those banks have come to control so much of the funny money, that if allowed to fail, all that money will disappear. Yikes!

I think the right thing to do is break down the big banks and not let them have control of the economy any longer. If our governments remain unwilling or unable to do anything about it, people must take it upon themselves to use barter or some of the ways described at the end of the documentary to circumvent the big banks.

Did anyone who watched that docu look into any of those alternative ways of transferring money and doing foreign exchange? If so what did you find?

Positive Money UK is doing a great job of pointing out this rather large elephant in the room that the mainstream and politicians don't want to acknowledge, and it is becoming more of a talking point in the public domain, still a long way to go yet though.

Positive Money

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[Neo]

Forgot about this thread as he's only putting the vids out every three months, but there are a couple more.