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    the world's creepiest corporation?

    As I watched the movie 'Michael Clayton' (a fictionalized account of an attorney who exposes the evils of an agribusiness conglomerate), the name Monsanto kept popping into my mind. Looking at Monsanto Corporation's relentless quest to control the world food supply through the sale of its proprietary chemicals and GM foods, could this company actually be more harmful than George Bush? Monsanto is the company that brought us dioxin, Agent Orange, Aspartame, BGH milk and Nutri-Sweet. And now, they are introducing a genetically modified 'Roundup Ready' sugar beet (beets are America's largest source of grain sugar). Monsanto's beets can withstand the toxic herbicide Roundup (also manufactured by Monsanto), but can we?

    Planet Ark : Biotech Critics Challenging Monsanto GMO Sugar Beet

    (and below is a lengthy article about Monsanto's strong arm tactics against its opposition)

    Monsanto's Harvest of Fear: Politics & Power: vanityfair.com

    The issue is this: why do we get so wound up about the retard in the White House while saying very little about a company whose behavior might be even more harmful in the long run?

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    Quote Originally Posted by floorpotato View Post
    As I watched the movie 'Michael Clayton' (a fictionalized account of an attorney who exposes the evils of an agribusiness conglomerate), the name Monsanto kept popping into my mind. Looking at Monsanto Corporation's relentless quest to control the world food supply through the sale of its proprietary chemicals and GM foods, could this company actually be more harmful than George Bush? Monsanto is the company that brought us dioxin, Agent Orange, Aspartame, BGH milk and Nutri-Sweet. And now, they are introducing a genetically modified 'Roundup Ready' sugar beet (beets are America's largest source of grain sugar). Monsanto's beets can withstand the toxic herbicide Roundup (also manufactured by Monsanto), but can we?

    Planet Ark : Biotech Critics Challenging Monsanto GMO Sugar Beet

    (and below is a lengthy article about Monsanto's strong arm tactics against its opposition)

    Monsanto's Harvest of Fear: Politics & Power: vanityfair.com

    The issue is this: why do we get so wound up about the retard in the White House while saying very little about a company whose behavior might be even more harmful in the long run?

    Maybe, just maybe those companies could have made less impact if there would be no retard in the White House?
    Just my 2 baht of the day!

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    yeah, I had the exact same feeling when watching that movie,

    You can add Dupont and all the Chemicals company into that mix,

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    Quote Originally Posted by floorpotato View Post

    Monsanto is the company that brought us dioxin, Agent Orange, Aspartame, BGH milk and Nutri-Sweet. And now, they are

    The issue is this: why do we get so wound up about the retard in the White House while saying very little about a company whose behavior might be even more harmful in the long run?
    Aspartame was developed by a company called G. D. Searle (which was bought by Monsanto).
    Aspartame was banned for many years because it was known to cause cancer.

    However, the CEO of Searle, one DONALD RUMSFELD, used his political connections to get it approved when Ronald Regan was elected president.


    How Aspartame Became Legal - The Timeline

    "January 1981-- Donald Rumsfeld, CEO of Searle, states in a sales meeting that he is going to make a big push to get aspartame approved within the year. Rumsfeld says he will use his political pull in Washington, rather than scientific means, to make sure it gets approved. January 21, 1981-- Ronald Reagan is sworn in as President of the United States. Reagan's transition team, which includes Donald Rumsfeld, CEO of G. D. Searle, hand picks Dr. Arthur Hull Hayes Jr. to be the new FDA Commissioner."

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    Quote Originally Posted by floorpotato
    Monsanto is the company that brought us dioxin, Agent Orange, Aspartame, BGH milk and Nutri-Sweet.
    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    You can add Dupont and all the Chemicals company into that mix,
    Of course the skyrocketing cancer rate has nothing to do with the emergence of these harmless entities over the past century. Christ, even dogs are getting cancer nowadays

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    relentless quest to control the world food supply
    Did you watch too much Bugs Bunny as a child? Ahh, what would life be like without the conspiracy theorists.

    Here's an idea. Go deep into the woods and build a bunker. Stay there. Eat only grubs and small rodents. Collect the rapidly diminishing fresh rainwater and filter it through river sand. Throw your cell phone away because it will give you brain cancer. No TV or radio as it's only commercialism and propaganda by greedy, corrupt governments. Stay in your bunker during the day as you might be sighted by an overhead UAV and the feds will soon be out looking for you.

    You have control over what you eat. If you think someone's out to get you, you're probably right.
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    ^ But, Texpat, I think they are vegetarians. They need a substitute for grubs. Maybe Monsanto has something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floorpotato
    the world's creepiest corporation?
    The US Government?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    relentless quest to control the world food supply
    Did you watch too much Bugs Bunny as a child? Ahh, what would life be like without the conspiracy theorists.

    Here's an idea. Go deep into the woods and build a bunker. Stay there. Eat only grubs and small rodents. Collect the rapidly diminishing fresh rainwater and filter it through river sand. Throw your cell phone away because it will give you brain cancer. No TV or radio as it's only commercialism and propaganda by greedy, corrupt governments. Stay in your bunker during the day as you might be sighted by an overhead UAV and the feds will soon be out looking for you.

    You have control over what you eat. If you think someone's out to get you, you're probably right.
    Straw man arguments. Any person concerned about the quality of our food supply for the sake of our children is paranoid? You began your post with a quote from me, suggesting that it was untrue, even paranoia. Yet my linked Vanity Fair article 'Harvest of Fear' began with the sentence "Monsanto already dominates America’s food chain with its genetically modified seeds." Vanity Fair is hardly an extremist, paranoid publication. That article should send shivers down the spine of any freedom-loving American. Straw man arguments aren't too original, have you been drinking with Mr Earl? (And one can never watch too much Bugs Bunny.)
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    Love em or hate em, drug, chemical and agro companies must be given credit for contributing some benefit to the world.

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    Hey, Donald Rumsfeld took on board the American way and lied his company to big riches with the Aspartame drug deal. Who cares if it left a hand full of people with brain tumors? Fact is it made a lot of people rich and that's wat really counts .

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    The Vanity Fair article is horrifying. Trouble is most people don't understand what companies such as Monsanto do and then don't care.

    In the past people who did understand and made a fuss were dismissed as namby pamby greenies.

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    Austrian Government Study Confirms Genetically Modified (GM) Crops
    Threaten Human Fertility and Health Safety

    Advocates Call for Immediate Ban of All GM Foods and GM Crops

    IMMEDIATE RELEASE (November 13, 2008)

    (Los Angeles, CA.) - A long-term feeding study commissioned by the Austrian Agency for Health and Food Safety, managed by the Austrian Federal Ministry of Health, Family and Youth, and carried out by Veterinary University Vienna, confirms genetically modified (GM) corn seriously affects reproductive health in mice. Non-GMO advocates, who have warned about this infertility link along with other health risks, now seek an immediate ban of all GM foods and GM crops to protect the health of humankind and the fertility of women around the world.

    Feeding mice with genetically modified corn developed by the US-based Monsanto Corporation led to lower fertility and body weight, according to the study conducted by the University of Veterinary Medicine in Vienna. Lead author of the study Professor Zentek said, there was a direct link between the decrease in fertility and the GM diet, and that mice fed with non-GE corn reproduced more efficiently.

    In the study, Austrian scientists performed several long-term feeding trials over 20 weeks with laboratory mice fed a diet containing 33% of a GM variety (NK 603 x MON 810), or a closely related non-GE variety used in many countries. Statistically significant litter size and pup weight decreases were found in the third and fourth litters in the GM-fed mice, compared to the control group.

    The corn is genetically modified with genes that produce a pesticidal toxin, as well as genes that allow it to survive applications of Monsanto’s herbicide Roundup.

    A book by author Jeffrey M. Smith, Genetic Roulette, distributed to members of congress last year, documents 65 serious health risks of GM products, including similar fertility problems with GM soy and GM corn: Offspring of rats fed GM soy showed a five-fold increase in mortality, lower birth weights, and the inability to reproduce. Male mice fed GM soy had damaged young sperm cells. The embryo offspring of GM soy-fed mice had altered DNA functioning. Several US farmers reported sterility or fertility problems among pigs and cows fed on GM corn varieties. Additionally, over the last two months, investigators in India have documented fertility problems, abortions, premature births, and other serious health issues, including deaths, among buffaloes fed GM cottonseed products.

    The principle GM crops are soy, corn, cottonseed and canola. GM sugar from sugar beets will also be introduced before year’s end.
    Mr. Smith, who is also the Executive Director of the Institute for Responsible Technology says, “GM foods are likely responsible for several negative health trends in the US. The government must impose an immediate ban on these dangerous crops.” He says, “Consumers don’t need to wait for governmental action. They can download a free Non-GMO Shopping Guide at www.HealthierEating.org.”

    Monsanto press offices in the UK and USA were unable to provide a comment on the findings for journalists yesterday.

    The Institute for Responsible Technology’s Campaign for Healthier Eating in America mobilizes citizens, organizations, businesses, and the media, to achieve the tipping point of consumer rejection of genetically modified foods.

    The Institute educates people about the documented health risks of GMOs and provides them with healthier non-GMO product choices.

    The Institute also informs policy makers and the public around the world about the impacts of GMOs on health, environment, the economy, and agriculture, and the problems associated with current research, regulation, corporate practices, and reporting.

    ###

    Institute For Responsible Technology
    Media Contact: NJ Jaeger
    Expert Contact: Jeffrey M. Smith
    Email: njmail[at]cox.net
    Phone: +1-310-377-0915

    Austrian Agency for Health and Food Safety
    Corporate Communication: Univ.-Doz. Ingrid Kiefer
    Tel: +43 50 555-25000; E-Mail: ingrid.kiefer[at]ages.at

    Links

    Austrian Study: http://www.ages.at/ueber-uns/presse/pressemeldungen/klarstellung-zu-neuen-er

    Institute for Responsible Technology: http://responsibletechnology.org

    Non-GMO Shopping Guide: http://www.responsibletechnology.org/DocumentFiles/144.pdf
    Genetic Roulette: http://www.geneticroulette.com

    responsibletechnology.org

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    I don't see the problem?? we have too many mice anyway!! and keeping women slimmer can't be all bad...














    seriously though the obvious answer is producing these crops only for Bio fuels and making absolutely certain they don't get into our own food supply unless absolutely necessary in a serious food crisis somewhere like Africa for example where they already breed like mice with no food to feed the one's already born..i can see a purpose for it there in all honesty..

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    every one of the links for this article is completely biased.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mid View Post


    Austrian Government Study Confirms Genetically Modified (GM) Crops
    Threaten Human Fertility and Health Safety

    Advocates Call for Immediate Ban of All GM Foods and GM Crops

    IMMEDIATE RELEASE (November 13, 2008)

    (Los Angeles, CA.) - A long-term feeding study commissioned by the Austrian Agency for Health and Food Safety, managed by the Austrian Federal Ministry of Health, Family and Youth, and carried out by Veterinary University Vienna, confirms genetically modified (GM) corn seriously affects reproductive health in mice. Non-GMO advocates, who have warned about this infertility link along with other health risks, now seek an immediate ban of all GM foods and GM crops to protect the health of humankind and the fertility of women around the world.

    Feeding mice with genetically modified corn developed by the US-based Monsanto Corporation led to lower fertility and body weight, according to the study conducted by the University of Veterinary Medicine in Vienna. Lead author of the study Professor Zentek said, there was a direct link between the decrease in fertility and the GM diet, and that mice fed with non-GE corn reproduced more efficiently.

    In the study, Austrian scientists performed several long-term feeding trials over 20 weeks with laboratory mice fed a diet containing 33% of a GM variety (NK 603 x MON 810), or a closely related non-GE variety used in many countries. Statistically significant litter size and pup weight decreases were found in the third and fourth litters in the GM-fed mice, compared to the control group.

    The corn is genetically modified with genes that produce a pesticidal toxin, as well as genes that allow it to survive applications of Monsanto’s herbicide Roundup.

    A book by author Jeffrey M. Smith, Genetic Roulette, distributed to members of congress last year, documents 65 serious health risks of GM products, including similar fertility problems with GM soy and GM corn: Offspring of rats fed GM soy showed a five-fold increase in mortality, lower birth weights, and the inability to reproduce. Male mice fed GM soy had damaged young sperm cells. The embryo offspring of GM soy-fed mice had altered DNA functioning. Several US farmers reported sterility or fertility problems among pigs and cows fed on GM corn varieties. Additionally, over the last two months, investigators in India have documented fertility problems, abortions, premature births, and other serious health issues, including deaths, among buffaloes fed GM cottonseed products.

    The principle GM crops are soy, corn, cottonseed and canola. GM sugar from sugar beets will also be introduced before year’s end.
    Mr. Smith, who is also the Executive Director of the Institute for Responsible Technology says, “GM foods are likely responsible for several negative health trends in the US. The government must impose an immediate ban on these dangerous crops.” He says, “Consumers don’t need to wait for governmental action. They can download a free Non-GMO Shopping Guide at www.HealthierEating.org.”

    Monsanto press offices in the UK and USA were unable to provide a comment on the findings for journalists yesterday.

    The Institute for Responsible Technology’s Campaign for Healthier Eating in America mobilizes citizens, organizations, businesses, and the media, to achieve the tipping point of consumer rejection of genetically modified foods.

    The Institute educates people about the documented health risks of GMOs and provides them with healthier non-GMO product choices.

    The Institute also informs policy makers and the public around the world about the impacts of GMOs on health, environment, the economy, and agriculture, and the problems associated with current research, regulation, corporate practices, and reporting.

    ###

    Institute For Responsible Technology
    Media Contact: NJ Jaeger
    Expert Contact: Jeffrey M. Smith
    Email: njmail[at]cox.net
    Phone: +1-310-377-0915

    Austrian Agency for Health and Food Safety
    Corporate Communication: Univ.-Doz. Ingrid Kiefer
    Tel: +43 50 555-25000; E-Mail: ingrid.kiefer[at]ages.at

    Links

    Austrian Study: http://www.ages.at/ueber-uns/presse/pressemeldungen/klarstellung-zu-neuen-er

    Institute for Responsible Technology: http://responsibletechnology.org

    Non-GMO Shopping Guide: http://www.responsibletechnology.org/DocumentFiles/144.pdf
    Genetic Roulette: http://www.geneticroulette.com

    responsibletechnology.org

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael
    In the past people who did understand and made a fuss were dismissed as namby pamby greenies.
    They still are by the under- and uninformed . . . bluster, bluster, bluster

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by floorpotato
    the world's creepiest corporation?
    The US Government?
    Isn't this interesting Marms, just came acoss this thread browsing. Briefed the OP..thinking The US Government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by floorpotato
    the world's creepiest corporation?
    The US Government?
    Isn't this interesting Marms, just came acoss this thread browsing. Briefed the OP..thinking The US Government.
    can you spell O-B-S-E-S-S-I-O-N?

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    It certainly wouldn't be obsession, because I'm rather indifferent.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
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    the world's creepiest corporation?
    The US Government?
    add
    Brown and Bliar corporation founded in 1998

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin View Post
    It certainly wouldn't be obsession, because I'm rather indifferent.....
    no way are you indifferent, you are obsessed with your point about how much an evil empire the US is.. your agenda has no ambiguity..

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    Quote Originally Posted by meepho View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by floorpotato
    the world's creepiest corporation?
    The US Government?
    add
    Brown and Bliar corporation founded in 1998
    Same as Brown, Kellogg, & Root...??

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrivingForce View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin View Post
    It certainly wouldn't be obsession, because I'm rather indifferent.....
    no way are you indifferent, you are obsessed with your point about how much an evil empire the US is.. your agenda has no ambiguity..
    ...."an evil empire the US is". Well, isn't it? Can you refute that it isn't? Provide some evidence that your beloved America is traditionally benign and benevolent. Historically, the US has been the world's boogieman. Regardless of the subjective spin and apologists attempts. It is what it is. The sooner you absorb such truths, the quicker you'll be healed. Have a good evening DF.

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    ^Where do you come from, a commie loser country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by attaboy View Post
    ^Where do you come from, a commie loser country?
    Commie.....??

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