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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    Moral issues -- white perception that you grow up, be responsible for yourself, get a job, and follow the law;
    Is this what "White" morals are like?
    underlying white view that many blacks expect handouts from birth, don't care about anyone else, and would rather join a gang than work. Blacks see whites as being greedy, taking all the work, airing superiority -- so why should they have the same morals. This is not my stance
    I would have thought it is a portion of Whites who hold these views, got more to do with prejudice, or "perception" as you put it, than morals.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    Of course, this is not pan-white or pan-non-white, but it is evident in most cities -- why do the whites live in the burbs and the blacks and latinos in the inner city?
    Of course there are no distinct Black and White morals. Sounds like it is your opinion as well after all, though I do not understand how segregation into different areas is evidence for anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
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    but help me jet....what would blacks "do" if a white person gave a speech on race?
    You are, w/out a doubt the most clueless liberal on this forum.
    How 'bout a recreation of the Watts riots for starters, eh???
    more ill informed fear mongering....and needless to say, utter nonsense.

    if a white american were to give a speech on the topic of race, it would prompt (for starters) riots? and what, pray tell, would follow those riots?
    and remember, this is because a white person gave a speech on race.


    and if i were the most clueless liberal on this forum, i would still be vastly better informed than the likes of you....and you know it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller
    I would have thought it is a portion of Whites who hold these views, got more to do with prejudice, or "perception" as you put it, than morals.
    exactly. and it begs the question....jet, do you think whites are morally superior to blacks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
    ^ For a poster who side-steps questions on most issues or answers with emotional tirades, you are being persistent on these minor issues, besides being incapable of figuring things out by yourself, aren't you?

    Here you go: Moral issues -- white perception that you grow up, be responsible for yourself, get a job, and follow the law; underlying white view that many blacks expect handouts from birth, don't care about anyone else, and would rather join a gang than work. Blacks see whites as being greedy, taking all the work, airing superiority -- so why should they have the same morals.
    Some people feel this way, but many do not.

    Polling results are revealing this.

    Within the black community in the United States there are some shared views, but there are also many different views among this racial group that is 12% of the population. Living in different geographical areas and more and more moving into the middle class and suburbs.

    I have witnessed some different and disting views.

    One difficult term is the term "morals."

    The term "moral" can be defined and applied to many different aspects of a person's perceptions.

    Again, the polling data has revealed not only a variety of views of whites and blacks but also a shift in these views in a more open-minded direction.
    ............

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    Everyone is a product of their life experience and will have differing opinions and prejudices. I believe the days are long gone when the majority of Americans (black or white) judge an "individual" by their race, religion or any other convenient categorization. Individuals of distinction no matter what their race or religion didn't get anything handed to them other than the opportunity to excel. This is in essence what America is supposed to be all about.

    For blacks to blame whites for their failings is as irrational as whites blaming blacks for theirs. At this point in American history all have pretty much the same opportunity. For those who don't grab the opportunity, I have little empathy.

    Being an old git, I can remember the furor over JFK being a Catholic. How well i remember the utter nonsense of the doom sayers predicting he would be a puppet of the Pope if he was elected. Then there was good ole Ronnie, a "stupid" actor who would be the ruin of the nation. FDR was deemed by detractors to be somehow incapable of leading the country because he was "handicapped". And the list goes on and on.

    For those who have some great fear over the fact that Clinton is a woman, Obama is black or McCain is too old, all I can say is get over it and figure out which one of the three will best represent what you expect of a leader.

    I was listening to the Soundtrack from South Pacific today and even though this song "You have to be carefully taught" was written 50 years ago, it struck me as being very pertinent to this thread.

    You've got to be taught
    To hate and fear,
    You've got to be taught
    From year to year,
    It's got to be drummed
    In your dear little ear
    You've got to be carefully taught.

    You've got to be taught to be afraid
    Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
    And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
    You've got to be carefully taught.

    You've got to be taught before it's too late,
    Before you are six or seven or eight,
    To hate all the people your relatives hate,
    You've got to be carefully taught!

    But hey what do I know, I was born a poor black child as one can see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    For blacks to blame whites for their failings is as irrational as whites blaming blacks for theirs. At this point in American history all have a pretty much the same opportunity. For those who don't grab the opportunity, I have little empathy.
    Opportunities are better than they ever have been, I'd say.
    Still, historic issues through the generations carry on in society and individuals' lives, and I am optimistic that they are moving towards a solution, but that's material for a different thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller
    Still, historic issues through the generations carry on in society and individuals' lives, and I am optimistic that they are moving towards a solution, but that's material for a different thread.
    Perhaps another thread but I do find that every thread seems to revolve around debate about race, gender or age. At the moment we have 5 or 6 threads related to the Presidential race. Why not keep all these debates in the Presidential Race thread? Sure would make it easier for me to keep up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman View Post
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    and if i were the most clueless liberal on this forum, i would still be vastly better informed than the likes of you....and you know it.
    Nothing could be further from the truth you so-called 'Ivory Tower' TEFLer you!
    Boon what do you mean?

    Please explain.
    RC is one of your typical head-in-the-clouds acadamics who holds the typical liberal utopian view of how the world should be vs. the actual 'rubber meets the road'.

    Pontificating from on high, these latte liberals give me gas...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    RC is one of your typical head-in-the-clouds acadamics[sic]
    why are you labeling me an academic? i've certainly never claimed to be one. is it simply because your highest academic achievement amounts to no more than a 4 year degree from a california state school? that you got in the 70s no less.

    and with the above quote, you've acknowledged that your oft repeated post about the 'jr. college' is baseless. heh.


    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    how the world should be vs. the actual 'rubber meets the road'.
    i wonder what most americans would think about a flack for big oil telling them how the world really is.



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    and boon mee you STILL haven't answered this question.....

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    but help me jet....what would blacks "do" if a white person gave a speech on race?
    You are, w/out a doubt the most clueless liberal on this forum.
    How 'bout a recreation of the Watts riots for starters, eh???
    if a white american were to give a speech on the topic of race, it would prompt (for starters) riots? and what, pray tell, would follow those riots? and remember, this is because a white person gave a speech on race.
    Last edited by raycarey; 25-03-2008 at 11:01 AM.

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    Why We Should Fear a McCain Presidency:

    American Thinker: Scary McCain

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    boon mee, are you going to answer the question or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    boon mee, are you going to answer the question or not?
    What question?
    Whether or not there would be riots if a white man gave a speech like POS Wright on jigaboos?

    Dern tootin' there would be...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    Whether or not there would be riots if a white man gave a speech like POS Wright on jigaboos? Dern tootin' there would be
    actually, that wasn't the question. but your racist views are now available for all to see.

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    ^
    Lame, as always.

    You are, if nothing else RC...predictable beyond belief...

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    Not a major McCain supporter, but he'll certainly have my vote in Nov - best of the lot that is left to vote for IMHO.

    What amazes me most about this years race is that in recent history this should have been the easiest race for the blue party to run away with: General negative feelings about the current administration, war in Iraq, negative view on the exonomy, etc. Yet most current polls have McCain in a statistical dead heat with either the "Boob" with two nuts, or the "Nut" with two boobs.

    I guess the blue party thought that this year was such a given that it would be best to throw both race and gender into the equation - real smart move that one.

    Yup, looks like the man with the walker might end up winning the race - slow and steady wins in the end, or some such nonsense.
    "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion" - Steven Weinberg

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    which month do you think it is?

    because my calendar says april. it's seven months until the election.

    mccain will probably fall down and break his hip before then.

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    Sure it's April - that's why I said McCain would get my vote in Nov.

    BTW - He will still get my vote even with a broken hip. Toss in a heart attack as well and he will still get my vote. Pretty much anything short of a lobotomay and the man still has more gray matter than the "Nut" and the "Boob" combined.

    Go Johnny go......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugs
    man still has more gray matter than the "Nut" and the "Boob"
    McCain came 5th from the bottom of his class at Annapolis, a class of around 600. And both his pop and Grandpop were Admirals.
    Obama graduated summa cum laude from Harvard Law School, and was the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review.


    Then again, I suppose you think Dubya is smart.

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    I am not saying the Duby is a genius – but he can’t be as stupid as many people think; he did end up becoming the POTUS.

    The use of the term “gray matter” was a bit of a play on words in regard to John boys age. All of the remaining three are intelligent individuals. Just so happens that neither the “Nut” nor the “Boob” have platforms that I can bring myself to vote for.

    That is not to say that I agree 100% with Johnny either, as there are plenty of his positions that I am not behind. But one has to make choices in life, and at this stage in the game in choosing between the three stooges – I chose John.

    There is indeed a long way between now and Nov, and I think that things happening between then and now will probably have more of an effect on the final election results than everything that has happened up until now – because of the mentality of the average US voter. But I, as opposed to most US voters, am not making my decision based upon what happened last week, or last month, next week, or next month. But on the platform of each of the candidates – which are unlikely to change between now and Nov.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugs View Post
    I am not saying the Duby is a genius – but he can’t be as stupid as many people think; he did end up becoming the POTUS.
    George W. Bush had many tutors.

    His father, George H., flew in economic and foreign policy tutors (e.g. Scowcroft) to tutor GWB.

    He had good handlers, good campaign managers (e.g. Rove) and the backing of Big Business, and other powerful interests.

    Being smart or not smart doesn't really matter.

    GWB is also not very knowledgeable about the world. He also admits he doesn't read books.

    One book he read was Natyn Sharansky's book, written by a Zionist Jewish guy who promotes "spreading democracy."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugs View Post
    Not a major McCain supporter, but he'll certainly have my vote in Nov - best of the lot that is left to vote for IMHO.
    Operative statement for this entire forum's threads on the election...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugs
    The use of the term “gray matter” was a bit of a play on words in regard to John boys age.
    hmmmmm....
    Quote Originally Posted by Bugs
    Pretty much anything short of a lobotomay and the man still has more gray matter than the "Nut" and the "Boob" combined.

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    It's telling that McCain has had cancer, but his health plan would exclude people like himself for having pre-existing conditions (like, erm, cancer...)

    Election 2008 | Boston Globe Examines McCain's Health Plan [Apr 03, 2008]

    Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) has said the U.S. must expand health insurance to "people who need it," but critics maintain that lack of regulations on insurers could leave many without affordable coverage, the Boston Globe reports...

    The proposal would not mandate that health insurers accept applicants with pre-existing medical conditions, a requirement that McCain has said would "be mandating what the free enterprise system does." According to critics, without such a requirement, millions of residents would not have access to affordable health insurance. Jonathan Gruber, a professor of economics at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said that the proposal is "fine except for the poor and the sick."

    McCain health plan pre-existing - Google News
    Surprise, surprise...

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    let's take a look at those scars....


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    The McCain health care plan might not be the best possible option. But I am not in favor of universal coverage for all Americans because I don’t see health care as a right. It is a privilage and as such one needs to work to obtain the privilages in life.

    I would agree that something needs to be done to control the spriralling cost of health care but I don’t see universal coverage as the answer to helping to control costs. IMHO the willy-nilly handing out of extra coverage in the 70’s and 80’s is a big part of the reason costs have gotten so far out of hand in the first place.

    The way health care coverage has been handled placed insurance companies between the buyer and the seller. As such the buyer became obliviouse to the cost. Because of this buyers no longer factored in cost in determining what kind of care and from what provider they got that care. This lead to many (too many) providers taking advantage of the system and jacking up prices and giving out care above and beyond what was necessary - to maximize their profit. Now we are all paying the price for that seperation of the buyer and the seller in the marketplace.

    There is also the extreamly litigious nature of things in the US which has led to exorbinate liability coverage for care givers that also has become a rather major factor in the cost of health care. The dad of one of me best mates from school is a doctor and he left private practive nearly ten years ago because of the cost of his insurace and what that meant to the prices he had to charge customers for their care.

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