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oh yes.
never said otherwise.
I just think it's statistically extraordinarily improbable for a man to catch it during heterosexual sex.
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oh yes.
never said otherwise.
I just think it's statistically extraordinarily improbable for a man to catch it during heterosexual sex.
my error.
With HIV, the anal method is more likely to result in tearing of the membranes, blood & thus increased risk.
ears are a bitch as well.
How about sex with a corpse? One that's been dead for several days. How long does it take the virus to die?
Specially Rabbits ears,, they be longer for a longer stroke I think.
But I really do not care as I do not want to take no chances with that fuckin AIDS, now that shit is final.
God damn, I had clapp a dozen times in Nam, no not really , I got it first night incountry from a chamber maid in the Prince hotel and I just kept rebooting it til I left.
Oooh, gross!! The virus dies very quickly. I was a nurse in the late 80's (height of the panic) & we were far more worried about Hepatitis B & C infection from instruments & needles than we were HIV. I cut myself with a used scalpel once & no-one was too worried about HIV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Texpat
not these days it isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackgang
Snigger*Quote:
Originally Posted by blackgang
*This quote is not edited in anyway. Just an unfortunate choice of words from BG :D
What ya mean? People are dying every day from that shit,, thats why they are bitching about sending tons of $100 dollar bills to Afrika every day.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon
OK......So here it is.....Food for thought.....It is much easier in this type of environment to restrain a conspiracy due to the people involved...If for example the Surgeon General, CDC in the States and it's equivalent counterpart in Europe were to agree not to disclose information that is intended to prevent mass panic it would be very easy to do so because once they weighed in on an issue then any further studies or speculation would likely be dropped and no longer pursued..
Having said that what I am about to present becomes far easier to accept as a possible scenario in terms of HIV transmission..
Mind you now too I have made this very proposition to numerous doctors and have yet to get any rebuttal to it's validity, rather the opposite is true, I have had numerous doctors suddenly go very thoughtful and make serious reference to inquiring about my theory in more depth..
Several years back in the midst of the AIDS awareness campaign there is this small town on the south edge of Lake Okeechobee in central Florida. This town is named Belle Glade and is mostly migrant workers and such but has it's own local population too..
It was noticed to have a very high incidence of HIV and AIDS per capita in fact at the time it was the highest per capita number of cases anywhere in the world so there was concern that mosquito's were transmitting the disease because of the high infestation in the area.
So the CDC in Atlanta sent out a team of scientists and they did a 6 week study, bare in mind now that's 6 weeks for a disease that sometimes takes years to even manifest in some people and that was at the beginning when knowledge of this illness was even less understood.
Now most of you will have very strange feelings of deja vous because what I'm about to say sounds very Thai in it's presentation..
At that time they concluded that there was one horny man spreading this disease around the entire community and had infected that many people in such a short amount of time on the order of hundreds....Now.....If any of these previously posted facts and data is correct than this would be virtually impossible for him to transmit this volume of infection even over a much longer period of time..For the CDC to come to such a blunt conclusion that quickly is just a quick explanation to cover the real truth IMO. There have been similar explanations all over the globe and always in high mosquito populous communities..
It is my strong feeling that what they actually discovered in a short period of time is that it is transmittable by mosquito's and the likely hood of them finding this out in such a short time frame is also more likely because it wouldn't take a lot of time to test this theory..
Their stated reasoning for it not being transmitted by mosquito's was that there is not enough blood product exchanged to allow for transmission, and yet all of the medical community is cautioned against even getting a small amount of blood in their eyes and mouth and wear protective splash shields to prevent that..
Additionally have you ever swatted a fully engorged mosquito on your arm? Especially the kinds that are located in some regions like Florida, they're like small birds and they take the equivalent of a blood sample when you swat one, there is definately enough blood there..
Just look for a moment at all of the viruses that are transmittable by mosquito's.. West Nile, Hepatitis, Meningitis, Encephalitis (numerous strains), Dengue fever, Typhoid, Malaria, Yellow fever, filariasis (more often referred to as elephantiasis) even heart worm in animals which is a pretty large parasite compared to a virus.. This list is really endless...
My suggestion is that only one of two real possibilities can exist here and one is potentially good while the other is potentially bad.. The above scenario along with too many other similar examples to count world wide suggests that either the mosquito can transmit the disease and they are not telling us the truth for fear of total panic.
Or and this is the hopeful conclusion..
That the mosquito has some built in defense against HIV just like other viruses they carry that don't infect them that could be turned into a cure for this disease and we are overlooking the small details looking for the larger answer as is usually the case..Besides to find a plentiful organic answer would likely not make so much money for the pharmaceutical companies, just look at how much they make now off of these drugs and it's a hook for years...Part of their resistance to provide them to impoverished countries because they can't make their profit margins..
It would be a wonder to think that those little bastards have had a real purpose here we have never discovered before because it's said that God made everything with a purpose but I don't know of too many positive purposes for mosquito's outside of food for some smaller creatures and there are too many of them just for that and somehow I think there might be a larger purpose for them..
Sounds like a crock of shit to me.
If mosquitoes were spreading AIDS, children would have a similar rates of infection as adults.
They don't.
come on tex, didn't you know that mosquito transmitted HIV only affects people over 30?
:rolleyes:
As much as i hate to agree with driventowin i also think mossies can transmit hiv, most areas with hiv also have high malarial cases, that also comes from mossies, could you imagine the amount of insect spray that would be sprayed into the world if it was published as true? OK, it would need the mossie to bite an infected person first then a non infected person so your not really that likely to get it, but then again as the stats above say, you really aint likely to get it from anally invading a sexy young womens bottom who has hiv :)
Why?? No one said exclusively!!! But additionally now that you've brought up children there is a very high incidence of child transmission and according to those stats it is far less likely that it is all related to their parents...
Whatever....I just offered my belief you don't have to subscribe to it but maybe you don't have to be quite so aggressive about your opposition either.. Believe what you want to, everyone has their own opinions and that's mine..Show me some real data disproving it?? Everything posted here just supports it..
Shite DD for a minute there I thought you were talking about Muslims!! Like MTD said to me once a while back. I almost fell off my chair! I'm not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing!!:p ;)
From what I understand of HIV (admittedly not much) it's a relatively 'fragile' virus - that is it doesn't survive outside of the host for extended periods.Quote:
Originally Posted by dirtydog
So presuming a mosquito fed on an infected person how long is the period between that and then feeding again? Seems all a bit unlikely to me.
The host then becomes the mosquito,, and they feed very often they don't have that long a life span in the first place..But again look at all of the viruses transmitted by mosquitos and ask yourself why not this one??Quote:
Originally Posted by AntRobertson
It isn't just due to fragility and even still we aren't even looking into the reasons why or if anymore since it was just dismissed in the diseases early stages of understanding..
In a case in Florida it was found to survive for 3 days in dental equipment, the girl who contracted hiv sued and won, although admittedly that doesn't mean a lot as it was America.Quote:
Originally Posted by AntRobertson
Well I dunno, there's a certain logic to it I suppose. But even presuming it were possible it just seems to me that given all the variables involved it would be pretty miniscule odds of infection at best.
I remember when blood bins were the norm in sports when everyone was scared of AIDS, like in rugby where you had to go off to get it all stitched up but now they don't care and let it bleed into the oppositon's mouth's.
same in boxing.
sport has cottoned on that you don't get hiv unless there are lots of mozzies around.
surprised no one else has.
I aint going to try and convince you that mossies transmit hiv, I have splatted loads of them and seen the amount of blood that comes out, I feel sure that this is more than someone sharing a needle would get, but I do believe that if you got a mossie that has just been feeding off of an AIDS victim and then decides your deserts you stand a real good chance of getting hiv.
what was it? 0.05 chance if you shagged somebody who was hiv infected up the ass?Quote:
Originally Posted by AntRobertson
That's the end of rugby in the tropics then :(Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon
Can't remember, ask blackgang:Quote:
Originally Posted by dirtydog
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Originally Posted by blackgang
Lets just say the virus will only live for 5 minutes, personally I think it is days in the right envoirement, but lets stick to a 5 minute life span, so there we are ant, gonna use you as an example cos you deserve it, sitting at a bar, now you are a self proclaimed whore or lawyer or something so we are going to decide you are the one with hiv at this time, now that mossie is under our table, it has a nibble at your tainted blood and says its shite, or maybe you brush him away, its, probably a her actually, anyway that mossie now has its jaws dripping with blood from a man whore and it wants to bite me :(
driventowin.
you are clearly not dull, although evidently a little ..shall we say.... unhinged.
do you really believe in the mozzie theory?
it is clearly a load of bunkum.
even more so than the sexually transmitted epidemic that never really occured.