^ these are small bad news among the storm, nothing major like I said
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^ these are small bad news among the storm, nothing major like I said
next,
B&B, GM, GMAC - small news? Perhaps a poll is in order...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
^ a few bad companies going bad after a few bad deals, big fucking deal
You can start pushing and panicking when the US treasury start defaulting on their interest payments,
party is over, if you have a giant that fall, maybe it will come back
GMAC collateral damage,
^You don't do cause and effect well, do you...
GMAC would 'have' to be bailed out. Too many mortgages, auto loans etc., etc., FED burns more cash, leading to....................
Try and think forward, rather than being reactive to news.;)
Goodwin, Analyst, Says Bradford & Bingley May Collapse: Video
July 7, 2008 06:36 EDT -- Leigh Goodwin, an analyst at Fox-Pitt, Kelton Ltd., and Roger Lawson, director of the U.K. Shareholders' Association, talk with Bloomberg's Rishaad Salamat in London about the bailout of Bradford & Bingley Plc after TPG Inc. abandoned plans to buy a 23 percent stake last week. Six banks including Banco Santander SA agreed to guarantee as much as 220 million pounds ($436 million) of the 400 million pounds being raised by Bradford & Bingley Plc after TPG Inc. abandoned plans
From:
Bloomberg.com: Investment Tools
I am not reacting to news, you are obviously by just posting those links. I think we need to wait for the wave of really bad news, for now it's just limited noise.Quote:
Originally Posted by bkkandrew
^Noise? Yes, down another 20% today to 32p.
Will the bailout happen today?
WASHINGTON, July 11 (Reuters) - Mortgage lender IndyMac Bancorp Inc (IMB.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) was taken over by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp on Friday, the second largest financial institution to close in U.S. history.
The FDIC said the estimated cost of the California-based bank's failure to its insurance fund is between $4 billion and $8 billion. The regulator said it will operate IndyMac to maximize the value of the firm for future sale.
IndyMac's primary regulator, the Office of Thrift Supervision, blamed a senior lawmaker's comments for causing a run on the deposits at the largest independent publicly traded U.S. mortgage lender.
1. Paulson appears on Face The Nation and says "Our banking system is a safe and a sound one." If the banking system was safe and sound, everyone would know it (or at least think it). There would be no need to say it.
2. Paulson says the list of troubled banks "is a very manageable situation". The reality is there are 90 banks on the list of problem banks. Indymac was not one of them until a month before it collapsed. How many other banks will magically appear on the list a month before they collapse?
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2008/07/659.jpg3. In a Northern Rock moment, depositors at Indymac pull out their cash. Police had to be called in to ensure order.
4. Washington Mutual (WM), another troubled bank, refused to honor Indymac cashier's checks. The irony is it makes no sense for customers to pull insured deposits out of Indymac after it went into receivership. The second irony is the last place one would want to put those funds would be Washington Mutual. Eventually Washington Mutual decided it would take those checks but with an 8 week hold. Will Washington Mutual even be around 8 weeks from now?
5. Paulson asked for "Congressional authority to buy unlimited stakes in and lend to Fannie Mae (FNM) and Freddie Mac (FRE)" just days after he said "Financial Institutions Must Be Allowed To Fail". Obviously Paulson is reporting from the 5th dimension. In some alternate universe, his statements just might make sense.
6. Former Fed Governor William Poole says "Fannie Mae, Freddie Losses Makes Them Insolvent".
7. Paulson says Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are "essential" because they represent the only "functioning" part of the home loan market. The firms own or guarantee about half of the $12 trillion in U.S. mortgages. Is it possible to have a sound banking system when the only "functioning" part of the mortgage market is insolvent?
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2008/07/660.jpg8. Bernanke testified before Congress on monetary policy but did not comment on either money supply or interest rates. The word "money" did not appear at all in his testimony. The only time "interest rate" appeared in his testimony was in relation to consumer credit card rates. How can you have any reasonable economic policy when the Fed chairman is scared half to death to discuss interest rates and money supply?
9. The SEC issued a protective order to protect those most responsible for naked short selling. As long as the investment banks and brokers were making money engaging in naked shorting of stocks, there was no problem. However, when the bears began using the tactic against the big financials, it became time to selectively enforce the existing regulation.
10. The Fed takes emergency actions twice during options expirations week in regards to the discount window and rate cuts.
11. The SEC takes emergency action during options expirations week regarding short sales.
12. The Fed has implemented an alphabet soup of pawn shop lending facilities whereby the Fed accepts garbage as collateral in exchange for treasuries. Those new Fed lending facilities are called the Term Auction Facility (TAF), the Term Security Lending Facility (TSLF), and the Primary Dealer Credit Facility (PDCF).
13. Citigroup (C), Lehman (LEH), Morgan Stanley(MS), Goldman Sachs (GS) and Merrill Lynch (MER) all have a huge percentage of level 3 assets. Level 3 assets are commonly known as "marked to fantasy" assets. In other words, the value of those assets is significantly if not ridiculously overvalued in comparison to what those assets would fetch on the open market. It is debatable if any of the above firms survive in their present form. Some may not survive in any form.
14. Bernanke openly solicits private equity firms to invest in banks. Is this even close to a remotely normal action for Fed chairman to take?
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2008/07/661.jpg15. Bear Stearns was taken over by JPMorgan (JPM) days after insuring investors it had plenty of capital. Fears are high that Lehman will suffer the same fate. Worse yet, the Fed had to guarantee the shotgun marriage between Bear Stearns and JP Morgan by providing as much as $30 billion in capital. JPMorgan is responsible for only the first 1/2 billion. Taxpayers are on the hook for all the rest. Was this a legal action for the Fed to take? Does the Fed care?
16. Citigroup needed a cash injection from Abu Dhabi and a second one elsewhere. Then after announcing it would not need more capital is raising still more. The latest news is Citigroup will sell $500 billion in assets. To who? At what price?
17. Merrill Lynch raised $6.6 billion in capital from Kuwait Mizuho, announced it did not need to raise more capital, then raised more capital a few week later.
18. Morgan Stanley sold a 9.9% equity stake to China International Corp. CEO John Mack compensated by not taking his bonus. How generous. Morgan Stanley fell from $72 to $37. Did CEO John Mack deserve a paycheck at all?
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2008/07/662.jpg19. Bank of America (BAC) agreed to take over Countywide Financial (CFC) and twice announced Countrywide will add profits to B of A. Inquiring minds were asking "How the hell can Countrywide add to Bank of America earnings?" Here's how. Bank of America just announced it will not guarantee $38.1 billion in Countrywide debt. Questions over "Fraudulent Conveyance" are now surfacing.
20. Washington Mutual agreed to a death spiral cash infusion of $7 billion accepting an offer at $8.75 when the stock was over $13 at the time. Washington Mutual has since fallen in waterfall fashion from $40 and is now trading near $5.00 after a huge rally.
21. Shares of Ambac (ABK) fell from $90 to $2.50. Shares of MBIA (MBI) fell from $70 to $5. Sadly, the top three rating agencies kept their rating on the pair at AAA nearly all the way down. No one can believe anything the government sponsored rating agencies say.
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2008/07/663.jpg22. In a panic set of moves, the Fed slashed interest rates from 5.25% to 2%. This was the fastest, steepest drop on record. Ironically, the Fed chairman spoke of inflation concerns the entire drop down. Bernanke clearly cannot tell the truth. He does not have to. Actions speak louder than words.
23. FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair said the FDIC is looking for ways to shore up its depleted deposit fund, including charging higher premiums on riskier brokered deposits.
24. There is roughly $6.84 Trillion in bank deposits. $2.60 Trillion of that is uninsured. There is only $53 billion in FDIC insurance to cover $6.84 Trillion in bank deposits. Indymac will eat up roughly $8 billion of that.
25. Of the $6.84 Trillion in bank deposits, the total cash on hand at banks is a mere $273.7 Billion. Where is the rest of the loot? The answer is in off balance sheet SIVs, imploding commercial real estate deals, Alt-A liar loans, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bonds, toggle bonds where debt is amazingly paid back with more debt, and all sorts of other silly (and arguably fraudulent) financial wizardry schemes that have bank and brokerage firms leveraged at 30-1 or more. Those loans cannot be paid back.
What cannot be paid back will be defaulted on. If you did not know it before, you do now. The entire US banking system is insolvent.
From:
Evidence of the US Banking System Teetering on the Brink of Collapse :: The Market Oracle :: Financial Markets Analysis & Forecasting Free Website
Bad, bad, bad.
From memory, I think this is not accurate. The fed tossed up 28.5 and JPM stood for 1.5. Of that 1.5, 1.2 has gone so another 300million means the government money is being burned:(Quote:
Originally Posted by bkkandrew
I have most of my life savings in US dollars at the moment. I keep short positions in the financials as an insurance policy. I dont do it because I take any pleasure in seeing the whole sector going down the pan. Thats no good for any of us in the long run.
^13, 21 and 24 are probably the most scary. But then you get to 25 and you realise that the game is over.
Going to bed, so no time to post further links to the FED/JPMC arrangements. Up early (yes - Sunday) to deal with another round of crises that are nothing to do with me. Its wonderful how some people create shit and others have to clear it up. The creators always seem to go 'missing'. I wonder why that is?
Since the credit crisis erupted a year ago, the Bush administration has presided over one of the broadest expansions of the government into private lending in U.S. history, risking public money to prop up financial firms both large and small.
The administration has transformed federal agencies into dominant players in such diverse realms as student lending and mortgage finance while exposing itself to trillions of dollars in loans.
The scope of these commitments demonstrates the unprecedented nature of the challenge facing the nation. Not since the Great Depression have so many debt markets been in turmoil at the same time, financial historians say. During the savings and loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s, for example, the financial upheaval was largely contained to banks and thrifts, though the real estate market also felt the impact.
Now, the contagion has rapidly spread from mortgages to bonds and exotic securities, student and corporate lending, credit cards and home equity loans, and residential and commercial real estate. The disruption has buffeted investment and commercial banks, mortgage finance agencies, and insurance firms of different stripes.
"We have a banking crisis and an agency crisis and a mortgage crisis and a coming credit card crisis. We've never seen anything like that before. And it all seems to be coming home to roost at the same time. That's never happened either," said Charles Geisst, professor of finance at Manhattan College. He said the Great Depression was the last time financial markets were hammered by such a variety of factors. "But we did not even have credit cards in the 1930s; there were no such thing as student loans," he added.
The breadth and speed of events have sent federal officials scrambling to plug leaks in the financial system. In the process, the government has bound taxpayers to the fate of a wide variety of banks and borrowers and could ultimately be responsible for losses in the tens of billions of dollars or more, according to estimates by congressional reports and interviews with regulators.
But the government may also end up paying nothing at all, largely because it received collateral in return for backing much of these debts and could recoup some money if borrowers stop making their interest payments. No one knows for sure because much of the government's response involved novel programs designed to contain an unpredictable crisis.
As the credit crisis worsened, Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr., a strong proponent of free markets and the architect of much of the administration's response, began to push initiatives that enlarged the government's involvement on Wall Street and in the housing industry.
"What I've said is that I'm playing the hand that was dealt and that my responsibility is to protect the U.S. economy and the American people," Paulson said in an interview.
My bold.
From:
washingtonpost.com
Wachovia starts abandoning its previously prized assets:
Aug. 14 (Bloomberg) -- Wachovia Corp.'s BluePoint Re Ltd. unit, which insures structured finance and municipal transactions, filed for bankruptcy protection, citing defaults on securitized mortgages.
BluePoint filed a petition in Manhattan yesterday, saying it has more than $100 million in debt. The insurer also filed a petition to liquidate in Bermuda, where it is based, on Aug. 7. BluePoint asked the New York court to recognize the Bermuda proceeding and protect it from claims in the U.S., invoking provisions of Chapter 15 of the federal bankruptcy code.
Wachovia, the fourth-biggest U.S. bank, reported a $330 million charge in the second half of 2007 related to BluePoint's losses on credit default swaps on collateralized debt obligations, or CDOs. BluePoint decided to liquidate after failing to negotiate a restructuring with banks including UBS AG that were counterparties to its swaps, according to court papers.
``Against a background of further deterioration in the credit markets, the plan could not be implemented before a further downgrade by the rating agencies,'' John C. McKenna, who was named provisional liquidator of BluePoint by a Bermuda court, said in a statement filed with the New York bankruptcy court.
BluePoint Re, the smallest reinsurer in the bond-insurance industry according to Moody's Investors Service, had its credit rating cut 14 levels to Ca from A2 by the agency yesterday. Moody's had lowered its rating two notches from Aa3 on July 11.
No Bailout
``Disruption in the financial guaranty markets and deterioration in the credit profile of BluePoint Re resulted in negligible new production volume for BluePoint Re'' this year, Moody's said in a statement yesterday.
Last month, Wachovia told BluePoint that it wouldn't provide the money it needed to fund a restructuring and continue in business, according to court papers. Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC, Deutsche Bank AG and Societe Generale were also counterparties to credit default swaps issued by BluePoint and part of the restructuring attempt, according to court filings.
BluePoint recorded no further losses this year and Wachovia has no obligation to provide money for the unit, the Charlotte, North Carolina-based bank said in an Aug. 11 regulatory filing.
Wachovia will make no additional investment in BluePoint, spokeswoman Christy Phillips Brown said today. ``This action is consistent with our focus on our core businesses and the prudent use of Wachovia's capital.''
Wachovia gained $1.31, or 8.9 percent, to $16.12 at 12:47 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange trading. The shares had declined 61 percent this year through yesterday.
The case is: In re Petition of John C. McKenna, as Provisional Liquidator of BluePoint Re Ltd., 08-13169, U.S. Bankruptcy Court, Southern District of New York (Manhattan).
From:
Bloomberg.com: Worldwide
Surge for the dollar as global fears rise
Financial Times
August 15
The dollar surged to a two-year high against the pound and a six-month peak against the euro on Friday, as fears about spreading economic gloom triggered a sell-off in commodities.
Against sterling, the US currency notched up its 11th consecutive day of gains – its longest uninterrupted rise in more than 35 years – as markets became increasingly convinced that the US was best-placed to weather the global downturn.
The strong dollar rebound undermined sentiment in the gold market, where prices fell below $800 for the first time this year to $774.90 a troy ounce, almost a quarter lower than early March’s record $1,030.80.
Prices for crude oil, platinum, copper, aluminium, corn and soyabeans have also retreated from records hit this year, prompting speculation that commodity prices have reached a turning point.
“The golden age when commodity prices could only go up is gone,” said Marco Annunziata, chief economist at Unicredit.
Military tensions between Russia and Georgia have offered little support to the price of gold, while oil prices have continued to fall in spite of interruptions to two key pipelines carrying crude from the Caspian sea to Turkey.
The long-running surge in commodities and resulting inflationary pressures had been a main factor in slowing global economic activity – playing a bigger role than global financial turmoil, for instance, in the eurozone. The eurozone economy shrank in the second quarter for the first time since the launch of the euro in 1999, while Japan’s economy contracted 0.6 per cent, its worst performance for seven years.
The US staged at least a modest recovery in the same period.
The latest commodity price falls are unlikely to prompt any early reaction from central banks, market observers said. The European Central Bank remains concerned that high inflation rates will become entrenched and US inflation data this week showed consumer prices rising at the fastest rate since January 1991.
Analysts were divided on the outlook for commodities. Lehman Brothers believed oil prices had peaked, while Goldman Sachs repeated its forecast that they would hit $149 by the end of the year.
The Reuters-Jefferies CRB index, a benchmark for commodities, fell more than 2.5 per cent to its lowest level since late March. The index has fallen almost 20 per cent since an all-time high in July, but is still 22 per cent higher than a year ago.
FT.com / Markets - Surge for the dollar as global fears rise
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Oh dear, 13 pages of fire and brimstone ... and now a ray of hope. What to do? What to do? :rolleyes:
The dollar is soaring, oil is plunging, children are singing, and the streets are indeed lined with gold.
What else can we whinge about? :)
How is the rising dollar a ray of hope? Whinging? Who is? I don't see anyone whinging on this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Texpat
^Don't think Tex even read the title of the article he posted. It ends 'as global fears rise':rolleyes:
If oil is down and the dollar is strong, I'll be dancing around your world economy funeral pyre! :)
^As long as the money is not held in a US bank:
(from: Credit crunch may take out large US bank warns Professor Kenneth Rogoff - Times Online )
The deepening toll from the global financial crisis could trigger the failure of a large US bank within months, a respected former chief economist of the International Monetary Fund claimed today.
Professor Kenneth Rogoff, a leading academic economist, said there was yet worse news to come from the worldwide credit crunch and financial turmoil, particularly in the Untied States, and that a high-profile casualty among American banks was highly likely.
“The US is not out of the woods. I think the financial crisis is at the halfway point, perhaps. I would even go further to say the worst is to come,” Prof Rogoff said at a conference in Singapore.
In an ominous warning, he added: “We’re not just going to see mid-sized banks go under in the next few months, we’re going to see a whopper, we’re going to see a big one — one of the big investment banks or big banks,” he said.
Prof Rogoff, who was chief economist at the IMF from 2001 to 2004, predicted that the crisis would foster a new wave of consolidation in the US financial sector before it was over, with mergers between large institutions.
He also suggested that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the struggling US secondary mortgage lending giants were likely to cease to exist in their present form within a few years.
His prediction over the fate of Fannie and Freddie came after investors dumped the two groups’ shares on Monday after reports suggested that the US Treasury may have no choice but to effectively nationalise them.
The professor also sounded a warning over rising US inflation, which rose last month to its highest since 1991, and criticised the Federal Reserve for having cut American interest rates too drastically. “Cutting interest rates is going to lead to a lot of inflation in the next few years in the United States,” he said.
Rising dread of “worse to come” in the American mortgage and banking sectors plunged Asian stocks into a spiral of despair, with the region’s major bourses in sharp retreat throughout Tuesday’s session.
The jitters in Asia that followed Wall Street’s dire overnight performance and the growing sense that the US authorities will soon be forced to nationalise Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have proved devastating for sentiment on large parts of the Asian financial sector.
Although Japanese banks, for example, have remained relatively under-exposed to sub-prime mortgage products, many fear that they would be heavily exposed to a nationalisation. The large Japanese financial houses hold around Y9.6 trillion (£47 billion) in bonds and mortgage-backed paper issued by housing finance firms in the US.
“If the recapitalisation talk is realised, there are no assurances that the securities that have been issued [by U.S. mortgage firms] will be 100 percent guaranteed,” said Yutaka Shiraki, a senior equity strategist at Mitsubishi UFJ Securities.
Oil will see 100$ within the next couple of weeks. The stronger dollar will erode exports, which at the moment are propping up the the growth numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Texpat
Now sure about gold lining the streets, although right now at 780$ an ounce it looks like good value to me.
The PPI is at an annualized rate of 15.38%.
It won't like be that high but the month of July had very high PPI.
Link: Producer Price Index News Release text
Bank borrowing from ECB is out of control
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Last Updated: 3:06pm BST 21/08/2008
The European Central Bank has issued the clearest warning to date that it cannot serve as a perpetual crutch for lenders caught off-guard by the severity of the credit crunch.
Not Wellink, the Dutch central bank chief and a major figure on the ECB council, said that banks were becoming addicted to the liquidity window in Frankfurt and were putting the authorities in an invidious position.
"There is a limit how long you can do this. There is a point where you take over the market," he told Het Finacieele Dagblad, the Dutch financial daily.
"If we see banks becoming very dependent on central banks, then we must push them to tap other sources of funding," he said.
While he did not name the chief culprits, there are growing concerns about the scale of ECB borrowing by small Spanish lenders and 'cajas' with heavy exposed to the country's property crash. Dutch banks have also been hungry clients at the ECB window.
One ECB source told The Daily Telegraph that over-reliance on the ECB funds has become an increasingly bitter issue at the bank because the policy amounts to a covert bail-out of lenders in southern Europe.
"Nobody dares pinpoint the country involved because as soon as we do it will cause a market reaction and lead to a meltdown for the banks," said the source.
This "soft bail-out" is largely underwritten by German and North European taxpayers, though it is occurring in a surreptitious way. It has become a neuralgic issue for the increasingly tense politics of EMU.
The latest data from the Bank of Spain shows that the country's banks have increased their ECB borrowing to a record €49.6bn (£39bn). A number have been issuing mortgage securities for the sole purpose of drawing funds from Frankfurt.
These banks are heavily reliant on short-term and medium funding from the capital markets. This spigot of credit is now almost entirely closed, making it very hard to roll over loans as they expire.
The ECB has accepted a very wide range of mortgage collateral from the start of the credit crunch. This is a key reason why the eurozone has so far avoided a major crisis along the lines of Bear Stearns or Northern Rock.
While this policy buys time, it leaves the ECB holding large amounts of questionable debt and may be storing up problems for later.
The practice is also skirts legality and risks setting off a political storm. The Maastricht treaty prohibits long-term taxpayer support of this kind for the EMU banking system.
Few officials thought this problem would arise. It was widely presumed that the capital markets would recover quickly, allowing distressed lenders to return to normal sources of funding. Instead, the credit crunch has worsened in Europe.
Not to miss out, Nationwide recently announced that it was setting up operations in Ireland, partly in order to be able to take advantage of ECB liquidity if necessary. Any bank can tap ECB funds if they have a registered branch in the eurozone, although collateral must be denominated in euros.
Jean-Pierre Roth, head of the Swiss National Bank, complained this week that lenders were getting into the habit of shopping for funds from those authorities that offer the best terms. The practice is playing havoc monetary policy.
"What we should avoid is some kind of arbitrage by banks, which say they are going to go to central bank X, instead of central bank Y, because conditions are more attractive," he said.
My Bold. Taken from:
Bank borrowing from ECB is out of control - Telegraph
Aug. 23 (Bloomberg) -- European officials have an ``urgent'' need of plans to cope with a failing bank, particularly in countries where lenders' assets exceed the size of the economy, according to a paper presented today at an annual Federal Reserve conference.
Failure of a large bank in Belgium, Switzerland or a similar country would require cooperation across borders to avert broad economic damage, Franklin Allen of the University of Pennsylvania and the University of Frankfurt's Elena Carletti wrote in the paper.
The paper comes four months after the European Union set aside the question of who pays if a multinational bank needs a bailout to prevent an economic shock rippling across borders. European banks have been roiled by the credit crisis that was sparked by rising defaults on American subprime mortgages.
``The prospect of contagion could effectively freeze many European and some global capital markets with enormous effects on the real economy,'' the professors said in their presentation to the symposium in Jackson Hole, Wyoming.
Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke, European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet and other officials are exploring ways to revive credit following the collapse of the subprime- mortgage market, as well as mechanisms for averting another financial crisis.
Failure Scenarios
European governments should quickly prepare to address the collapse of a financial institution, Allen and Carletti said. They looked hypothetically at the possible consequences from trouble at Fortis, Belgium's largest financial-services firm, and UBS AG and Credit Suisse Group AG of Switzerland.
Were Fortis to fail, Belgium's government would probably be ``unwilling to intervene and assume fiscal responsibility because of the large size of the burden,'' Allen and Carletti said. ``The key issue would be how the burden would be shared between countries of the European Union.''
UBS and Credit Suisse, whose assets are ``significantly in excess'' of Switzerland's gross domestic product, pose a ``classic example'' of the hazards from inadequate government cooperation. The International Monetary Fund or Bank for International Settlements may be necessary to cope with a meltdown of the institutions, the authors said.
The alternative to joint preparations by governments ``is to wait for the catastrophe to occur,'' Allen and Carletti said.
April Meeting
EU finance ministers and central bankers meeting in Brdo, Slovenia, signed an agreement April 4 on how to cooperate in guarding against and responding to any market meltdown. The accord filled in lines of authority among responders to a cross- border crisis, without setting rules for splitting the bill.
Separately, the authors said a Fed program allowing financial institutions to swap as much as $200 billion of Treasuries for mortgage bonds and other debt allows firms to ``window dress'' their balance sheets at the end of a quarter.
From:
Bloomberg.com: Economy
Time to look at funds you hold in EU banks, or indeed in EUROs at all?
Bank failure rattles U.S. stocks
NEW YORK: U.S. stocks fell Monday for the first time in four sessions as the ninth U.S. bank failure of the year renewed concern that subprime losses will keep rattling the financial system.
Bank of America and JPMorgan Chase dropped more than 1 percent each after Columbian Bank and Trust of Topeka, Kansas, collapsed amid bad real-estate loans.
Lehman Brothers declined more than 4 percent on concern a Korean bank would reconsider a potential investment in the U.S. securities firm.
"The market's going to struggle until we get a clear indication that we know what the bottom is in the financials, and that may be a while," said Peter Sorrentino, senior portfolio manager at Cincinnati-based Huntington Asset Advisors.
The Standard & Poor's 500 Index dropped 7.38, or 0.6 percent, to 1,284.81 points. The Dow Jones Industrial Average slid 79.06, or 0.7 percent, to 11,549. The Nasdaq Composite Index decreased 18.71 to 2,396. Four stocks retreated for each that rose on the New York Stock Exchange.
The S&P 500 extended its first weekly decline since July. The benchmark for American equities slipped 0.5 percent last week as energy prices climbed and concern grew that the government may need to bail out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Morgan Stanley cut its year-end forecast for the index on concern banks will report more credit-related writedowns and the global economic slowdown will curb profits at technology and industrial companies.
"Our biggest concern for 2009 earnings estimates is that a combination of global growth slowdown, declining operating leverage, a stronger U.S. dollar, less share count reduction and a long tail to dysfunctional credit markets will create powerful headwinds for what appear to very optimistic consensus expectations," Abhijit Chakrabortti, an analyst, wrote in a note to clients.
JPMorgan dropped 57 cents to $37.10. Bank of America retreated 45 cents to $29.76.
Columbian Bank, with $752 million in assets and $622 million in total deposits, was shuttered by the Kansas state bank commissioner's office and the Federal Deposit Insurance, on Friday.
The pace of bank closings is accelerating as global financial firms have reported more than $500 billion in writedowns and credit losses since 2007. The FDIC's "problem" bank list grew by 18 percent in the first quarter to 90 banks with combined assets of $26.3 billion. Prior to yesterday, the FDIC had closed 36 banks since October 2000. The U.S. shut 12 banks in 2002, the highest in the period, and 2005 and 2006 had no closures.
"The closure of Columbian Bank awakened investors' bad memories and shows that we are not through with the topic yet," said Monika Rosen, head of research at BA-CA Asset Management in Vienna.
Lehman slipped 63 cents to $13.78. Shares of the securities firm rose 5 percent in New York trading on Aug. 22 after Korea Development Bank said it was "considering" an investment in the company.
The Korean bank ended talks on a possible investment after Lehman demanded a price 50 percent higher than its book value, the Maeil Business newspaper said, citing an unnamed official in the banking industry. South Korea's financial regulator said that state-controlled banks including Korea Development Bank should consider the risks of buying overseas rivals amid the global credit crisis.
New York-based Lehman has dropped 79 percent this year, the worst performance in the 11-company Amex Securities Broker/Dealer Index.
Lehman's chief executive, Richard Fuld, may face an "internal coup" to strip him of his executive duties, The Observer newspaper reported. Mark Lane, a spokesman for Lehman Brothers, was not immediately available when contacted via telephone and e-mail.
Freddie Mac lost 6 cents to $2.75 and Fannie Mae declined 37 cents to $4.63. The cost to the largest U.S. mortgage finance companies of raising capital is getting more prohibitive by the day, making it likely that the government will have to inject cash into the two firms.
Declines in the common stocks of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae accelerated last week to more than 90 percent for the year and yields on their preferred shares more than doubled on speculation Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson may need to bail them out, reducing or wiping out the value of the securities.
Financial shares last week fell the most in six weeks for the biggest drop among 10 S&P 500 industries. The group has retreated 29 percent this year as losses from the subprime mortgage collapse exceeded $500 billion. One year into the financial crisis, central bankers and scholars at the Federal Reserve's annual retreat this weekend couldn't agree on how to prevent a repeat.
The Fed chairman Ben Bernanke, the European Central Bank president Jean-Claude Trichet, former officials and economists meeting in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, appear to be split over whether policy makers should be made responsible for financial stability and how closely to heed the concerns of Wall Street.
The yearlong credit crisis has yet to run its course, with continued turmoil likely in housing and banking, the Bank of Israel governor Stanley Fischer said Saturday at the Fed's symposium
From:
Bank failure rattles U.S. stocks - International Herald Tribune
U.S. Says Banks on `Problem List' Rose 30% in Quarter (Update2)
By Alison Vekshin
Aug. 26 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. said its ``problem list'' of banks increased 30 percent in the second quarter to the highest total in five years as more commercial real-estate loans were overdue.
The list had 117 banks as of June 30, up from 90 in the first quarter and the highest since mid-2003, the agency said today in its quarterly report without naming any institutions. FDIC-insured lenders reported net income of $4.96 billion, down 87 percent from $36.8 billion in the same quarter a year ago.
``More banks will come on the list as credit problems worsen,'' FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair said at a news conference in Washington.
Regulators are adding to the list as bank assets, liquidity and other fiscal measures weaken. Nine banks have failed this year, including California-based mortgage lender IndyMac Bancorp Inc., which the FDIC is running as a successor institution, IndyMac Federal Bank FSB.
IndyMac's failure will cost the U.S. deposit insurance fund about $8.9 billion, exceeding a $4 billion to $8 billion estimate, said Diane Ellis, the associate director of financial- risk management. The FDIC discovered additional insured deposits and had time to value the assets, Ellis said.
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Bloomberg.com: Worldwide
117 banks on a watch list seems like a lot of banks.Quote:
Originally Posted by bkkandrew
IndyMac was not even on a watch list. More reason, once again to make sure you keep your money under the $100,000 FDIC insured limit. Separate your funds into different bank accounts. Check Money-market and CDs also, and get proof of insurance on them in writing from the bank. I've forgotten the exact FDIC rules regarding them, however.
Bradford & Bingley gave us a glimpse on Friday of how dicey things were early in July. The bank came uncomfortably close to becoming a second Northern Rock. It admits that customers were rushing to pull out their savings as the bank repeatedly failed to nail down rescue financing.
“It was a scary time, not just for us but for the whole world,” Rod Kent, the chairman, told me. The bank suffered “hundreds of millions of pounds” in net withdrawals as rescue deal after rescue deal crumbled. Kent declines to speculate on the economic and political damage if B&B had failed. “I'm not a historian, I don't write 'what-if?' novels,” he says.
But it seems unlikely that Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, could have survived a second big bank failure on his watch. The same goes for Mervyn King, the Bank of England Governor, and Hector Sants, head of the Financial Services Authority.
It might be fanciful, but a collapse could even have brought down the Government if things had got seriously messy and the contagion had spread. Governments tend to fall after moments of national humiliation. It's hard to overstate the damage done last September by TV images of queues of panicking Rock depositors beamed around the world.
Happily, fourth time lucky, B&B got its £400 million and ministers and regulators are still in their jobs. But it took some serious arm-twisting by the FSA to get the big battalions of high street banking and insurance to rally round and ensure that a deal was done.
The financial world did not cover itself in glory over B&B. The company misled its shareholders over the need for new capital, tolerated hopelessly inadequate management information systems and inexplicably allowed underwriters to its first abortive capital-raising to wriggle free. The external advisers appeared asleep at the wheel, the underwriters were not exactly loyal to the client and one rescue bidder, the private equity group TPG, fled back to America at the first sign of trouble.
Mr Kent is confident that B&B has sufficient capital to weather whatever the icy winds of the property market throw at it. Its franchise remains more or less intact. And, whisper it quietly, its specialisation in buy-to-let lending has not yet been proved to be the dumb strategy its rivals suggest. Tenant demand is strong, rents are still rising, voids (periods when properties are empty) are falling.
The pain is far from over, however. Arrears are rising, margins are thinning, fraud is on the up and the wholesale funding window is still largely closed. And it's unclear how supportive the bank's new shareholders are going to be: the lock-up preventing sales expires on September 10.
Bradford & Bingley was so close to the edge - Times Online
Iraq Safer Than Ohio Banks Stung by Credit Crisis
By Lester Pimentel
Aug. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Iraq's bonds are delivering the biggest returns in emerging markets as oil export revenue bolsters government finances and violence declines.
The country's $2.7 billion of 5.8 percent bonds due 2028 gained 45 percent since August 2007, according to Merrill Lynch & Co. indexes. Investors demand 4.84 percentage points more in yield to own the debt instead of Treasuries, down from 7.26 percentage points a year ago. The spread is narrower than for notes of Ohio banks National City Corp. and KeyCorp, suggesting Baghdad may be safer for bond investors than Cleveland.
Oil exports will climb as high as $86 billion this year, more than double the $30 billion annual average from 2005 to 2007, helping the country post a $52.3 billion budget surplus, according to the U.S. Government Accounting Office. A reduction in bloodshed has allowed the Bush administration to consider a ``general timeline horizon'' for troop reductions.
``The main driver'' of the rally is oil revenue, said Gunter Heiland, who manages $12 billion in emerging-market debt, including Iraqi bonds, at JPMorgan Asset Management in New York. ``The other is implied U.S. support. It's half a commodity story, half a political story.''
Yields on the bonds fell to 8.65 percent from a high of 11.81 percent in August 2007, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The price of the securities surged to 73 cents on the dollar from a low of 54 cents a year ago.
`More Upside'
``There's still more upside,'' said Edwin Gutierrez, who manages $5.5 billion in emerging-market debt, including Iraqi bonds, at Aberdeen Asset Management in London.
Iraq, which has the world's third-largest oil reserves, sold the debentures in January 2006 as part of a settlement with creditors who agreed to forgo claims on debt issued under the regime of Saddam Hussein.
The price of oil, Iraq's biggest export, rose to a record of $147.27 on July 11, and is up 61 percent from a year ago. The country's daily production in the second quarter reached its highest level since the March 2003 U.S. invasion, the U.S. Defense Department said July 30.
Roadside bomb attacks dropped to 14 in June from 76 in the same month last year as a result of the U.S. troop increase and support of local Sunni Muslims battling al-Qaeda fighters, Army Lt. Gen. Thomas F. Metz told reporters Aug. 6, according to the Pentagon's news service. American soldiers would withdraw from cities and towns to nearby bases by next summer under a proposed agreement announced on Aug. 21 between the U.S. and Iraq.
Oil Field Dispute
``The political situation has improved substantially,'' said Jonathan Binder, who began buying Iraqi bonds for the more than $2 billion of emerging-market assets he manages at INTL Consilium LLC in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
Gains may be tempered should a dispute between Kurds and Arabs for control of oil fields in Kirkuk trigger a resurgence in violence, said Ward Brown, who manages more than $3 billion in emerging-market debt, including Iraqi bonds, at Massachusetts Financial Services in Boston. The disagreement has prevented the Iraqi parliament from reaching a consensus on a law that would provide for elections this year.
Iraq's bonds, which don't have a credit rating, rallied even as more than $500 billion of credit market losses and writedowns drove investors away from all but the safest government securities.
National City and KeyCorp, based in Cleveland, have debt ratings of A and spreads of 9.59 percentage points and 7.55 percentage points. The banks are two of the more than 70 firms worldwide that have recorded about $512 billion in losses and writedowns since the start of 2007 amid the collapse of the subprime mortgage market.
Emerging-market premiums widened 62 basis points, or 0.62 percentage point, from a year ago to an average of 3.03 percentage points, according to New York-based JPMorgan Chase & Co. Iraq's yield spread is smaller than Argentina, Ecuador, Ukraine and Venezuela, JPMorgan indexes show.
``Iraq provides some insulation from the market,'' Brown said. ``The risks are so idiosyncratic that it trades on its own drivers.''
Bloomberg.com: Exclusive
EVERY episode in the credit crunch has had its dramatic flourish. There were the defenestrations at Citigroup and Merrill Lynch late last year; then, in March, the Bear Stearns fiasco; the humbling of UBS; and now Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, a tale of hubris that might impress Shakespeare himself. What next?
With the tragedy of the mortgage giants still unfolding, another dark drama is entering its second act, and it has rather a lot of players. It concerns America’s commercial banks. “Pretty dismal” was the frank description of their recent performance offered on August 26th by Sheila Bair, head of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC). That was just after announcing a rise in the number of banks on its danger list, from 90 to 117.
Nine banks have failed so far this year, felled by shoddy lending to homeowners and developers—six more than in the previous three years combined. The trajectory is steep: Institutional Risk Analytics, which monitors the health of banks, expects more than 100 lenders—most, but by no means all, tiddlers—to fold over the next year alone. Alarmingly, the ratio of loan-loss provisions to duff credit is at its lowest level in 15 years.
The FDIC will soon have to replenish its deposit-insurance fund, which collects premiums from banks and stood at around $53 billion before the downturn. One of this year’s failures, IndyMac, has alone depleted the fund’s coffers by one-sixth—and it was no giant. This has pushed the fund’s holdings below a trigger point that requires the FDIC to craft a “restoration” plan within 90 days.
Ms Bair has indicated that banks with risky profiles—which already pay up to ten times more than the typical five cents per $100 insured—will be asked to “step up to the plate” with even higher premiums. This would ensure that safer banks are not unfairly burdened. But it will heap yet more financial pressure on strugglers. Bankers’ groups have already started to protest loudly.
How much will be needed? Possibly far more than the FDIC is letting on, reckons Joseph Mason of Louisiana State University. Extrapolating from the savings and loan crisis of the early 1990s, and allowing for the growth in bank assets, he puts the possible cost at $143 billion.
That would force the FDIC to go cap-in-hand to the Treasury. The need to do so could become even more pressing if nervous savers began to move even insured deposits (those under $100,000) away from banks they perceived to be at risk—which no longer looks fanciful given the squeeze on the fund. Ms Bair’s admission, in an interview with the Wall Street Journal, that the FDIC might have to tap the public purse, albeit only for “short-term liquidity purposes”, will have done little to calm nerves.
It is also sure to reinforce a growing sense that the financial-market crisis has a lot further to run. Risk-aversion, measured by spreads on corporate debt, fell sharply after the sale of Bear Stearns in March but has leapt back in recent weeks as the spectre of systemic meltdown resurfaced. Sentiment towards spicier assets is astonishingly grim: prices of junk bonds and home-equity loans imply a default rate consistent with unemployment of around 20%, points out Torsten Slok, an economist at Deutsche Bank.
American banks | When sorrows come | Economist.com
My Bold. Just gets worse. There's always a bill to pay you see!
US Soverign debt repudiation in late September I reakon.
how is the end of the world thread going ? :)
I've heard the worldwide oxygen-rationing system goes into effect next month. I'm starting to collect 2 liter bottles of air from which I'll harvest the oxygen when times get tight.
Of this year?Quote:
Originally Posted by bkkandrew
the funny thing is Japan has more debt per GDP than the US, and it's the second world power, they have low growth, a low currency and are stuck in a liquidity trap from a 20 years recession,
and yet I don't see their country leading a worldwide financial collapse, even though they are huge and would make as much damage as the US, they are still there, and the factories are still rolling, cars running, and people fucking,
gee, I wonder what they are doing to make things go, probably nothing :)
Sadly, I have come to know Butterfly's MO now and assumed that his financial 'knowledge' extended to the Wikipedia.
So, looking at the Wiki figures, one could be lulled into a false sense of comparative debt, which the naive Butterfly has. The CIA-compiled rank of countries debt per GDP is marked as disputed. Butterfly would have ignored or not noticed this, so would not have discovered that centrally in the dispute over the US figures is this:
Not noticing this, Butterfly then raced to post the post above.Quote:
Yeah, I just checked and the CIA web site and it's being CIA-ish. They use a special formula for the US as opposed to other coutrnies and only count public federal debt which gives off a much lower percentage. By the way, the wikipedia article on the US public debt also only measures the federal public debt. Who knows, maybe the CIA got their information off of that page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.1.222.140 (talk) 22:06, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Source:
Talk:List of countries by public debt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
^ looks like I have touched a nerve and again, and exposed your stupidity :)
Federal debt is what matters. Not what some silly conspiracy theorists says on Wiki,
besides, there are other sources for those stats, and they all have the same perspective, Japan is far worse, and so is Italy if I remember correctly. Italy is not important, but Japan ? it does matter
You are really a lame ignorant teacher, aren't you ? :rolleyes:
^So you are saying US State debt doesn't matter?
Two options as far as I can see:Quote:
Originally Posted by BugsOf this year?Quote:
Originally Posted by bkkandrew
1. Under the cover of military action in Iran, printing presses go into overdrive to inflate the debt away (most of it is Dollar denominated)
2. Straight repudiation
Either one in late September, but certainly before the election (unless McCain suddenly looks a cert to win, as this may delay the inevitable).
^
Fruitloop
My god, how many "the sky is falling" threads is this joker going to start?
As a neophyte I just looked up "repudiation" on investopedia:Quote:
Originally Posted by bkkandrew
Link: RepudiationQuote:
Repudiation
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2008/02/814.jpg When one party refuses to honor their terms in a loan contract.
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2008/02/813.jpg This is often seen when a new government is elected and refuses to settle debts acquired by a previous government.
Who think a new administration can come in do this? Honest question from a neophyte.
I quite agree with AA this time, bkka is losing it. Are you sure you are not the same poster ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn