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Of course polls "mean something," but yes the election is far from being won by either candidate. What does this big swing in the polls mean? Is it just a post convention bounce? Or is it the turning of the tide?
My opinion? Sarah. Will the love affair with her last? TIME WILL TELL.
Gallup reports their daily poll as a three day running average. Thus the numbers reported for McCain are lower for the three day average than the single day numbers reported by USA Today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
Actually. "McCain leads Democrat Barack Obama by 50%-46% among registered voters, the Republican's biggest advantage since January and a turnaround from the USA TODAY poll taken just before the convention opened in St. Paul. Then, he lagged by 7 percentage points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bugs
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...-07-poll_N.htm
Let's hope the lead widens and BO is summarily chastised for being the arrogant, elitist he is...:rolleyes:
The lead might just widen if Obama indeed does back-track on the tax issue. Right now the economy is the strong issue for Obama. If he has to say what many think will actually happen (that he won't push thru the tax package he has been touting if the economy is still weak), it will hurt him IMO. This might be an especially big issue in the debates if the questions fall out just right.
I would agree the polls don't really give any real indiation of who will win. But you can bet both teams watch these polls (and conduct their own) and change/ adapt things in their repsective campaigns based upon the polls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norton
Also they will no doubt base where/how they campaign based upon some of the state-by-state polls as well.
Also big moves in the polls (like the bounce Obama got after the blue team convention, and McCain seems to have gotten after the red team convention) get reported on national news and can effect how folks view the race at hand. This type of move can compond a bounce - say after any one of the debates. If Obama or McCain does really well in any of the up coming debates, and then get a bump in the polls. Folks who didn't even watch the debate can form opinions based upon the press reports of the debate and the effects in the polls.
The polls can also potentially effect voter turn out as well (but not polls this early in the race).
How is my observation an example of partisanship? Look at the photo. They have similar facial features. If they were of the same skin color they could be brother and sister. One is white and one is black, that's where skintone conscious uptight anal retentive people squirm. And that is where the humor comes in. You're not calling me a racist, bigoted, know-it-all are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by pai nai ma
^ They probably are, Atta. It appears that some posters are afraid of being labeled un-PC so they have to attack anyone they perceive as racist. That's why I love injecting a few slurs -- attack their socialist hubris, I say!
OK. I was a lefty liberal in my youth and I loved Grace Slick. I guess I just cannae get over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norton
So, since ray carey always chooses Republicans for his av (eg, Mrs McCain, Bush/McC hug, Palin), does that mean he is really NOT a "self respecting" libbie but actually a closet Republican?
Thanks for the culture lesson. Can I just call them whale killers, blubber eaters and Alaskan arabs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr EarlActually Inuit is a distinction for esquimo people of the Canadian Arctic...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
Boy, an 11-point lead for McCain and the libbie queen is squirming and suddenly tracking polls are worthless. 555Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
I don't think so, "PC" has almost become a derogatory term.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
Me too, Jim Morrison rocked as well!Quote:
I was a lefty liberal in my youth and I loved Grace Slick.
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They probably are, Atta. It appears that some posters are afraid of being labeled un-PC so they have to attack anyone they perceive as racist. That's why I love injecting a few slurs -- attack their socialist hubris, I say!
Jet, how do you spell 'White Trash'?Quote:
Thanks for the culture lesson. Can I just call them whale killers, blubber eaters and Alaskan arabs?
Look in the mirror and say j e t g o r d o n
This has nothing to do with 'socialist hubris' or any other label that you wish to place upon people to justify your actions. Stop hiding behind labels, you make yourself look the fool time and again.
Trick question Jet: Define legal tender.
I am appalled at the kind of rubbish that comes out of your posts and am grateful that this is a virtual forum only, though in real life it is easier to avoid people like you.
White trash, pure and simple. You try your best to align yourself with what you believe to be alike-thinkers, but there really is no-one, really, is there?! Well, maybe BG, but he is witty at times.
You really are a sad person, but I would like to see a post from you actually making valid points instead of, unsuccessfully, trying to score political points in a forum where they don't exist.
Geez, at the least, could you spell my name correctly?Quote:
Originally Posted by panama hat
I'm saying nothing more or less than I wrote in that post, atta.Quote:
Originally Posted by attaboyAre you saying something as silly as Obama said it first so it's his domain? Obama is not the first person to ever utter anything along those lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by AntRobertsonDidn't see it either but was just reading about it then. Does this:Quote:
Originally Posted by pai nai ma
McCain speech denounces 'partisan rancour' - 05 Sep 2008 - NZ Herald: World / International NewsQuote:
McCain speech denounces 'partisan rancour'
ST. PAUL, Minnesota - Republican John McCain accepted the Republican presidential nomination today, warning Washington politicians that "change is coming" and denouncing the "partisan rancor" he said was gripping the country's ruling establishment.
The four-term Arizona senator was met with extended applause from delegates to the Republican National Convention and guests crammed into the Excel Energy Center and declared himself the only choice for voters who want an end to gridlock in Washington and the tradition of politicians "who work for themselves and not you"...
sound familiar? Apparently he 'borrowed' rather liberally from Obama.
I'm not entirely sure why that would cause you difficulties, it's really quite straightforward and simple.
PH
"Trick question Jet: Define legal tender."
What the fuck does this have to do with the US elections?
Seems like Jet has gotten you panties in a knot, chill dude.
It has plenty to do with the issue at hand, I find Jet's posts unhelpful and irrelevant to the extreme, nothing but slurs and aggression.
If you don't wish to read my posts, then either skip over them or place me on ignore, it is not the first time that posts go off on tangents, nor will it be the last.
Why not ask Jet what her posts have to do with the elections . . . why not scroll back and let me know the results.
It is at this point of the campaign where debates should be aired and scheduled, let's face it, there are only a few weeks left and all the slanderous and meaningless ads - from both sides - are nothing but diversion from the issues.
Debates, let the candidates justify their worth.
I've enjoyed your recent postings.Quote:
Originally Posted by panama hat
your accurate scribblings about jet deserves plenty of green, but you could always do the same for her and put her on ignore.
I've considered it, but I rather like her posts outside of the issues forum.
In here, she is consistently awful.
Heh..."If Bill Clinton could juggle 5 chicks, Sarah Palin can manage five kids."
This article almost made me blow a Skol beer outa my nose it's so funny! "Y’know, there’s nothing worse than having a woman hand you your own testicles in a fight. And that’s exactly what Palin did to the Jobama ticket Wednesday night at the RNC. She verbally dismembered their party’s petty personal smears about her family, her “lack” of experience, and the flaming liberal’s vapid platform."
Read it all :rofl::rofl::rofl:
Your opinions and you're welcome to them. I would beg to differ on all counts. The reason I get snippity here is that the misogynist lefties get pretty free rein with their comments. I think I'm one of the few chicks in issues, so I put my gloves on now and again. Some of the boys have even told me to do so. No skin off my nose.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon
Of recent, their campaign seems to be what you would expect of a Democratic Party nominee, as this article points out-
"Over the years, Republicans have used lots of tactics to win presidential elections. But here's one I never expected to see: running as Democrats.
That's the idea behind the latest TV spot for John McCain and Sarah Palin.
It brags about things that are generally more congenial to Democratic voters than to Reaganites. McCain, it tells us, "took on the drug industry," while Palin "took on Big Oil." It goes on: "He battled Republicans and reformed Washington. She battled Republicans and reformed Alaska." Not a word about battling Democrats. If you didn't know better, you'd think they had just been nominated by the party of Roosevelt and Clinton.
This is just the latest feint in that direction. An earlier McCain ad (video is below) said, "Washington is broken," and "We're worse off than we were four years ago"--neglecting to mention that his party has controlled the presidency for the last eight years and both houses of Congress for most of the last 14. Usually, when you say the country is worse off than it was four years ago, you're asking voters to evict the president's party.
That commercial, too, sounded themes shamelessly plagiarized from John Edwards: "Only McCain has taken on Big Tobacco, the drug companies . . . He'll reform Wall Street, battle Big Oil." Anti-capitalist populism may be dead in the Democratic party, but it seems to have found new life in the GOP.
Will this work? There's no telling, but if McCain and Palin think it's a good idea to impersonate Democrats, Barack Obama and Joe Biden might want to make sure voters know who the real Democrats are. "
Steve Chapman | Chicago Tribune | Blog
There is a certain irony that, in their best hope to get elected, the McCain Palin ticket basically has to admit that their own Republican Party has been shite for the last 8 years, and has damaged the country. :rofl:
^ Ironic but not insane. They want to show a "new" "old old" party to distance themselves from Bush. Halt pork spending and corruption. Get back to personal responsibility, small government.
That is a platform I would entirely support- but neither Party will deliver it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
^ You're right. :(Which could maybe do it a wee bit better?
Isn’t this the exact opposite of what the blue team has been saying? McCain = 4 more years of Bush; McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
The 90% voting with Bush bit always gets a chuckle out of me. First off because Bush is not part of the senate, he does not propose any bills for the senate to vote on (with the exception budget related items), and he does not cast any votes in the senate. McCain can not vote with Bush because Bush don’t vote. McCain has voted along party lines 90% of the time in 2007. Many feel this is damning enough and gives support to Obama’s claims that McCain is not bipartisan. But if anyone bothers to take a look at the numbers I think they’ll find Obama has voted along party lines something like 97% of the time. Some real bipartisan ship being shown there as well I guess?
FactCheck.org: FactChecking Obama
So folks can choose to vote for McCain who has voted 90% of the time along party lines - the party with the President who has the worst approval rating ever.Quote:
He (Obama) has voted in line with his party an average of nearly 97 percent of the time. The truth is that neither candidate can claim a strong record of "breaking with his party" if Senate votes are the measure.
Or folks can choose to vote for Obama who has voted 97% of the time along party lines - the party who control Congress, which has the worst approval rating ever.
Some choices?
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Originally Posted by Bugs
Voting along party lines 90%+ is hardly unusual. Where they did not vote along party lines is of more interest to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bugs
I would agree to some extent. But one of the other problems with congress right now is too much fluff gets passed that effects too few people, and not enough real wide reaching stuff is getting done to address the real problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norton
Here is a guy that seems to be in the same position as some of the other independent voters out there right now:
Both Obama and McCain are wrong for president - Community Writers Blog - The Oregonian - OregonLive.com
A great one-liner:Quote:
I am in a conundrum; I do not know who to vote for president. I believe in my civic duty to understand the issues and vote. I understand the issues, I want to vote but I am troubled with both McCain and Obama's political philosophies. My choice is between American imperialism and American socialism. I think the Iraq war is a huge mistake but I abhor socialistic philosophy.
McCain supports the Iraq war which I think is a disaster. We have lost 4,000 young American lives, spent a trillion dollars, run up our federal debt, lost our good reputation, created enemies and involved ourselves in another Vietnam; and all for nothing. But like me, McCain believes in capitalism and wants to limit government and taxes. My conservative Republican bent supports McCain but I cannot brook his support of this idiotic war.
I like much about Obama. He seems honest, decent, forthright, opposes the Iraq war and preaches responsibility. These are ideas I believe in. But he is a socialist Democrat. He believes in oppressively taxing the able among us to provide for the unable. His socialist beliefs impart injustice to some, abrogate of the rule of law and bring bigger totalitarian government. I believe, for example, Obama will means test Social Security because his beliefs demand it.
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What a nightmarish choice; a conservative warmonger or a liberal socialist.
^ So given the choice between stopping the war (obama) and saving some money on taxes (mccain), what does a concerned voter do?
duh.......
This article is a great little sports metaphor piece on all the press being given to Palin, and how the choice seems to be working (right now for McCain). While Biden and Obama seem to be having problems keeping their eye on the ball.
McPalin rattles Team Obama - Los Angeles Times
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Barack Obama, a famous fan of pickup basketball, must recognize his plight: It's two on one now. John McCain drafted Gov. Sarah Palin, the star point guard from the Wasilla Warriors, to double-team Obama.
(McCain's team doesn't care if no one covers Joe Biden, who seems to spend most of his time yelling to the media, "I'm open! I'm open!" But when he gets the ball, all he does is talk about what a great player he is and dribble in place.)
They used to call Regan the teflon president because it seemed like no matter how much shit the other side thru at him nothing seemed to stick. Hell, he got Olly North to fall on his sword for him. Right now Palin is looking like the teflon VP candidate. Not only does nothing seem to stick (ie really seem to matter to the majority of voters) the blue team is wasting time and energy going after the #2 person on the ticket and giving the #1 person on the ticket a free ride.
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The outrageous attacks on Palin out of the block (She banned books! She opposed family planning education! She's a creationist!) have missed the mark. And the eagerness of the mainstream media to go after her family life has backfired as well. For instance, the Washington Post's Hanna Rosin wrote sneeringly in Slate magazine of Palin's "wreck of a home life." Would Slate say that Obama, conceived out of wedlock to a teen mom, comes from a "wreck" of a family? I somehow doubt it.
This is kind of sad, but if McCain pulls off a win in Nov, they way things are going much of the credit will go to Palin (much more so than any past VP candidate) - MVP Palin stepping onto the floor.
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Fair or not, that's how it works in the pros. But so far, it still looks as if the MVP title is hers to lose.
I agree. They need to keep their eye on the ball and forget about Palin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bugs
Palin has yet to face the national press and TV media. The Repubs have her sequestered and no interviews are being granted which is unprecedented for a newly nominated VP. She is scheduled to do an interview soon so time will tell how she does. Face to face interviews with the hardened national political media is a whole different ball of wax than an acceptance speech or speeches at McCain rally's. All the hard "issues" that are troubling many will be addressed by the media. Obama got the same regarding his preacher, his patriotism and the lot. Palin should expect no less. Her ability to field the questions and the credibility of the answers will be the test.
Of course the Republicans will scream about the "liberal" media no matter how legitimate the questions.;)
Suddenly, quoting blogs has become illegitimate as well, since the shoe is on the other foot! LOL