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I agree her playing the race card is not working, as well as they hoped. That's good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norton
Vermont is white but the citizens there are different than Ohio and Texas.
That said, again, the race card is not working as well, but it's one of her bullets to fire.
The delegates are given out proportionately for the Demos, so after all of this today, the delegate count will be close, and probably favor Obama.
Pennsyvania is in April.
I'm rooting for Obama.
Barring a total collapse of Obama's campaign even if Hillary wins every state left Obama will still have more committed delegates and will have won more states. The only argument Hillary can then make is she has won the bigger states.Quote:
Originally Posted by Milkman
IMO, the Dems are at great risk if this keeps on much longer. McCain wrapped up the nomination today and is free to refocus his sights on the Dems. Hillary and Osama continuing to fight each other is not in the interest of the Dems as a party.
Now that Hillary has won Ohio, Texas, and Rhode Island she will no doubt be energized to continue even though she has no chance of getting the committed delegates she needs. Neither the the DNC or the super delegates will or should step in and back either candidate at this time. This race is destined to go right through June and will likely be decided on the convention floor. In the mean time, McCain will be sharpening his swords and be in a much better position to make what looked a few months back like a slam dunk for just about any Dem candidate a very close race in the Presidential campaign. Agree or disagree with his stance, McCain has proven to be a wily, convincing opponent and will gain support from moderate Dems and Independents while the Dems are battling it out.
Hillarious would no sooner play second fiddle to a rookie like Osama than she would admit Dubya has ever made a single intelligent decision in his life.
It's a genetic, inbred thing. Impossible.
I was down watching the boys finish install of a new aircon hepa filter unit in my living/TV room just now and Aljazeera has on campaign coverage and Hilderbeast is acting like she just shot a "speedball" in the main line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norton
Actually acting like a fucking idiot instead of a candidate for the prez of the USA,, more like a Jr. high school cheerleader with hot nuts.
But I kind of hope that she does get the nom. instead of Obama, neither one would be a good prez for the country, McCain to fucking old really, but he will beat Hildy a lot easier than Obama, even tho I do think he can do that as well, but why not make it as easy and sure as possible, I don't live there no more, And will not ever live there again in this lifetime, and so it is no more of my business what happens than it is the Brits, Aussies or Newfoundlanders,, but everyone wants to show how much they are into the citizen of the world these days.
^^^^ Agree... Hillary should drop out now... Just aiding the Republican cause by fighting it out to the end.
Yep, hope she gets it,, easier for John to beat her than Obama with his banjo on his knee.
^ She needs to landslide the rest of the states to snatch it..... Give up now Hillary and help Obama get in the hot-seat...
I hope the voters don't find out that he is left-handed.... America isn't ready for that yet...
Brilliant analysis, Norton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norton
McCain has his handlers and coaches to refine his message and image. He's mulling the long-list for VPs.
I agree, we may wait until the convention for a (D) Nom.
These 3 states gave HRC momentum, and the delegate count remains dead-locked.
I sure got it wrong in OH and TX. :(
I think Hilary would be better to step down and let Obama take a crack at the title.
IMHO she showed herself in a very bad light with her attacks on Obama when she was in the middle of her losing slump. Not a good sign to see someone react that way just because they are under a little pressure.
Her husband did it differently when he was Co-Prez,, he just went into his office, closed the door and got some skull pussy.:)
Clinton wins Ohio and Texas (+photos) - 05 Mar 2008 - NZ Herald: World / International News
Clinton wins Ohio and Texas (+photos)
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Hillary Clinton was all smiles after today's big win in Ohio. Photo / Reuters
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- Clinton takes Ohio and Texas, McCain wins nomination
- Clinton under pressure as Ohio and Texas vote (+video, photos)
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OHIO
Clinton 55%
Obama 43%
votes counted: 92%
TEXAS
Clinton 51%
Obama 47%
votes counted: 91%
Hillary Clinton staged a remarkable comeback today to win the Texas and Ohio Democratic primaries.
Clinton's triumphs this evening in the big two states voting today followed a win in Rhode Island earlier, breaking rival Barack Obama's month-long string of victories in the state contests to pick a candidate for the November US election.
The Illinois senator's streak had left Clinton trailing in the number of delegates to the summer convention that will pick the presidential candidate, and analysts said the New York senator needed to win Texas and Ohio to slow his momentum and have a chance of catching him.
The hard-fought Democratic presidential duel moves on to contests in Wyoming and Mississippi and the next major showdown in Pennsylvania on April 22, with Clinton still trailing Obama in the pledged delegates who will choose the nominee at the August convention.
"We're going on, we're going strong, and we're going all the way," Clinton, 60, told roaring supporters in Columbus, Ohio. "We're just getting started."
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Exit polls showed Clinton won big among voters who decided in the last few days, when she questioned Obama's readiness to be commander in chief and the sincerity of his pledges to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement, which is blamed in Ohio for manufacturing job losses.
Under Democratic rules allowing the losers in each state to win a proportional amount of delegates, Clinton must win many of the remaining contests by big margins to close the delegate gap behind Obama.
John McCain secured the Republican nomination earlier in the day.
LATEST UPDATES:
8.08pm: A separate caucus continues in Texas and Obama is faring better than in the primary, the BBC says.
7.54pm: The updated delegate count is Obama - 1466, Clinton - 1376, according to the Houston Chronicle.
7.13pm: Clinton projected to win Texas.
6.53pm: Both candidates are standing firm in their belief they will win the nomination:
Obama: "No matter what happens tonight, we have nearly the same delegate lead as we did this morning, and we are on our way to winning this nomination."
Clinton: "We're going strong. And we're going all the way!"
6.51pm: Clinton's lead in Texas remain 3%, with almost three-quarters of the votes now counted.
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Four states voted today - crucially for the Democrats in Ohio and Texas. Photos / Reuters
6.03pm: The Houston Chronicle describes Clinton's Ohio win as "ending a near politically fatal losing streak". It reports Obama saying he expects the race to continue on to Pennsylvania on April 22.
5.17pm: Clinton speaks to supporters in Columbus, Ohio. "Boy, thank you, Ohio," she says as the main networks project her winning the crucial delgate-rich state of Ohio.
Ya, Norton. Nice summation. (applause)
Currently (about 10:30am, 5 March, New York time), the Dem count is about 1,307 Obama, 1,175 Hilde.
Give it up Hilde! Howard Dean must be having a very liberal fit. McCain is due for lunch in the White House. He'll get the whole GOP bandwagon of support and will just need to outline his policies. He'll pick off occasional donkey targets for fun -- he doesn't need to bash them coz they (Hilde & Bambam) will be bashing each other for him.
Rawlin, keep up to speed here, Darlin. I noted that Bambam is a southpaw already. But, guess what? So is McCain.:)
On the other hand, Hilary and Obama battling it out keeps the focus on... them.
McCain has to be careful if his only talking points are continuing the war in Iraq and business a usual with healthcare and the economy, which have never been areas of expertise for him.
interest is waning...remind you of 2004?
gulp... geez NO can't do that again .... zzzzz.
What? zzzzz
My ass looks REALLY good in that AV. :)
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As I was tucking my son into bed last night he asked me who won and when I said "Clinton" (he's seen the talking heads quite a lot on tv lately ;)) he said "Was she a faster talker?"
^ hehe
AP latest poll roundup: Bambam 1,477, Hilde 1,396
Yep, just watched the rose garden endorsement speeches with Bushy and Frozen Fry (I'm nicknaming him after McCain's frozen foods). Sheesh. Boring. Just alot of backslapping.
Saw part of a vid on Cindy -- the high school cheer leader. Oh, boy.
Pennsylvania ain't until April :(
Just read on the BBC that Bush endorses McCain
Is that like the Queen giving her seal of aproval to oven chips?
^ Right now, I'd equate with being endorsed by Hitler.
I stated some time back that obama and clinton would merge on the ticket---- seen on the news today clinton made that offer ( informaly of course )
question is--who will be on top??? coz we know she ain't going down on her knees :)
^ Ya, I read that, too. I bet Michelle would punch Bill's lights out if he'd tried any Lewinsky moves.
I doubt Hilde would go for VP or that Obambi (I just read that in the NYorker article) would ask her. Bambi needs a governor with long-time service and a great foreign policy record. Mebbe Bill Richardson?
^Yeah, I agree Richardson makes a lot of sense for either candidate, but maybe more for Obama as it would help to get the hispanic vote in the general election, which is his weak point.
I was reading about how McCain must now turn his attention to a running mate, and has to pick somebody with youth because of the worry of his age.
I suppose Obama has the reverse problem. He needs to pick an elder statesman as junior mentor.
I'm not sure what the Hildebeast would need in a VP, but I can see her clashing with just about any strong person who's not a yes man.
* I think the implication is that having a two term President as your spouse counts for a lot.
a clinton/clinton ticket :rofl:
Very funny, but I'll bet it would beat McCain hands down! Of course, that would be a great motive for Bill to knock off the bitch though to become Pres. again. Not sure if that's allowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by KID
found this:Quote:
An ABC News report identified Harper's chief of staff, Ian Brodie, as the source of the first leak of meeting details to reporters. Harper has said Brodie had nothing to do with it.
Liberal foreign affairs critic Bob Rae said on his blog Tuesday that it was clear the Tories are trying to help Republican friends at the expense of Canadian interests.
The controversy could play to the Republicans' advantage in November in Ohio, a potential swing state where job losses have made the 15-year-old free trade deal highly unpopular.
Obama and Democratic competitor Senator Hillary Clinton have both said they want to reopen the free trade deal between Canada, the U.S. and Mexico to ensure better environmental and labour standards.
International Trade Minister David Emerson and Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said U.S. officials should not forget the benefits of the agreement and hinted Canada could respond to a NAFTA pullout by renegotiating U.S. access to Canada's oil.
Harper says information leak unfair to Obama, probe in progress