Thread: US Deportation of Illegal Immigrants

The US deported around 250 illegal immigrant gang members to a prison in El Salvador. The courts have now ruled that Trump's use of the emergency deportation law was legitimate.

However, one of the deportees was Kilmar Abrego Garcia.

This BBC article says SCOTUS has now ordered he be brought back to the US.


Supreme Court rules Trump officials must 'facilitate' release of man deported to El Salvador

On Friday, President Donald Trump told reporters that if the Supreme Court said "bring somebody back I would do that".

"I respect the Supreme Court," he said.

Mr Garcia, 29, entered the US illegally as a teenager from El Salvador. In 2019, he was arrested with three other men in Maryland and detained by federal immigration authorities.

But an immigration judge granted him protection from deportation on the grounds that he might be at risk of persecution from local gangs in his home country.

Supreme Court rules Trump officials must '''facilitate''' release of man deported to El Salvador


The reason for his deportation protection, it says, is that he is 'at risk of persecution from gangs'. That sounds very much to me like he is a gang member himself. If that is the case then I think offering sanctuary to a gang member due to other gang members 'maybe wanting to harm him' is soft-hearted nonsense. Gang members should be deported.

Unless there is a clearer explanation of why he deserves repatriation to the US then I would not mourn his 'accidental' deportation.

Unless there is a clearer explanation of why he deserves repatriation to the US then I would not mourn his 'accidental' deportation.

The point of the article is not about whether or not the judge that ruled is wrong, it's that the orange turd is deporting people without due process.

Only a complete fucking moron would support this.

You either believe in the rule of law or you don't.

A hallmark of wise rulers is to rectify errors , apologise and take measures to prevent a repeat.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Only a complete fucking moron would support this.

Looks like a job for Looper.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

it's that the orange turd is deporting people without due process

My feeling is that due process is currently being applied a little too much in favour of the illegal immigrants, and deportation processes could be expedited.

If this Garcia punter gets repatriated then it will show that even an expedited process is capable of correcting mistakes.

But I would still like to see more evidence that this fella really is innocent of gang membership or involvement, given that his reason for special protection is 'risk of harm from gang members' back home, which makes it sound like he is mixed up in criminal gang activity.

If he is involved in gangs then I don't think he deserves the legal protections he has been granted.

Originally Posted by david44

You either believe in the rule of law or you don't.

I think the law has to be applied judiciously. The expedited deportation process using the emergency measures seems finally to have been approved, which I do think is judicious.

Mr Garcia, 29, entered the US illegally as a teenager from El Salvador. In 2019, he was arrested with three other men in Maryland and detained by federal immigration authorities.

david44

You either believe in the rule of law or you don't.

make your mind up. why dont you.

Originally Posted by Topper

Shouldn't due process be an inalienable right of everyone?

That is a good question.

This is probably a separate debating point, but I do not think it is unreasonable to make a distinction between citizens and illegal aliens when it comes to measuring out the quantity of due process that is owed to an individual.

I do think it is possible that illegal aliens should maybe be entitled to a smaller measure of due process than a paid up citizen.

Of course the law as it stands does not make such a distinction, but I would argue that it would be reasonable of the law to make this distinction.

Originally Posted by Looper

My feeling is that due process is currently being applied a little too much in favour of the illegal immigrants

You're either a ridiculous troll or a complete moron.

Originally Posted by Looper

Of course the law as it stands does not make such a distinction, but I would argue that it would be reasonable of the law to make this distinction.

Of course you would. You're either a ridiculous troll or a complete fucking moron.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You're either a ridiculous troll or a complete fucking moron.

They are illegal immigrants who are not supposed to be there in the first place. You could make a case that they should have no rights whatsoever to any legal recourse once their illegal status has been confirmed.

I think suggesting that confirmed illegal immigrants may be due a more modest measure of legal recourse than a full citizen is a moderate position.

Originally Posted by Looper

They are illegal immigrants who are not supposed to be there in the first place. You could make a case that they should have no rights whatsoever to any legal recourse once their illegal status has been confirmed.

Christ you really are a fucking imbecile, aren't you?

Originally Posted by Loopey You

You could make a case that they should have no rights whatsoever to any legal recourse once their illegal status has been confirmed.

Why are you so utterly confused by the right of due process?

Originally Posted by beachbound

Why are you so utterly confused by the right of due process?

Probably because his hero is ignoring it. He's starting to sound like a committed trumpanzee.

The court of appeals declined to stay the judge's order:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...178400.8.0.pdf

A brief opinion that addresses the rights and wrongs - well worth a read

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The orange turd is essentially challenging the separation of powers between the judicial branch and the executive branch.

In other words, he's acting like a dictator.

Indeed and if he gets away with impunity it's no better than a tin pot dictatorship.

If the POTUS, GOP or the elecorate wish to change the laws the levers are there it is called democracy.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The orange turd is essentially challenging the separation of powers between the judicial branch and the executive branch

He is pushing the boundaries, but I feel it is in a sense of exasperation at the seemingly endless recourse to legal appeal that allows illegal immigrants to embed themselves like ticks in the legal machinery of the US and stay for years when they should be sent home.

200+ gang members were deported to an overseas prison. 1 of them is this Garcia punter who has become the poster boy for protest about Trump's El Salvador move.

But, according to the press conference in the oval office a couple of days ago, 2 US courts previously found that he is a member of the MS-13 gang. His stay of deportation was on the basis that his legally established gang membership meant that he was 'at risk of harm' from other gang members if he was returned. I think many people view this position as madness, that the US should protect illegally immigrated gang members from other gang members back home with sanctuary in the US.

On top of this, while he was illegally resident he apparently married some bird in the US and then knocked her about to the point that a restraining order was placed on him. If so then I would say the fella has no place in Merka. He belongs in a Salvadoran prison.

The conservative moral framework of 'the welfare of the community' should sometimes take precedence over the left wing moral framework of 'the rights of the individual'.

I think the legal system seems to be in need of a DOGE style reform to get some community oriented common sense back into the speed of processing of illegal immigrants who are known to be gang members.

Originally Posted by Topper

Shouldn't due process be an inalienable right of everyone?

It is. Written into the constitution itself...

The Fifth Amendment says to the federal government that no one shall be "deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law."

Originally Posted by bsnub

The Fifth Amendment says to the federal government that no one shall be "deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law."

Do you think the founding fathers had the deportation of illegal immigrants who were known to be members of overseas criminal gangs in mind when they wrote those words?

I think they were more likely thinking of US citizens not being allowed to be executed, imprisoned or asset-stripped in the US without due legal process.

Originally Posted by Looper

The conservative moral framework of 'the welfare of the community' should sometimes take precedence over the left wing moral framework of 'the rights of the individual'.

You mean like sharia laws?

Originally Posted by Looper

He is pushing the boundaries, but I feel it is in a sense of exasperation at the seemingly endless recourse to legal appeal that allows illegal immigrants to embed themselves like ticks in the legal machinery of the US and stay for years when they should be sent home.

200+ gang members were deported to an overseas prison. 1 of them is this Garcia punter who has become the poster boy for protest about Trump's El Salvador move.

But, according to the press conference in the oval office a couple of days ago, 2 US courts previously found that he is a member of the MS-13 gang. His stay of deportation was on the basis that his legally established gang membership meant that he was 'at risk of harm' from other gang members if he was returned. I think many people view this position as madness, that the US should protect illegally immigrated gang members from other gang members back home with sanctuary in the US.

On top of this, while he was illegally resident he apparently married some bird in the US and then knocked her about to the point that a restraining order was placed on him. If so then I would say the fella has no place in Merka. He belongs in a Salvadoran prison.

The conservative moral framework of 'the welfare of the community' should sometimes take precedence over the left wing moral framework of 'the rights of the individual'.

I think the legal system seems to be in need of a DOGE style reform to get some community oriented common sense back into the speed of processing of illegal immigrants who are known to be gang members.

Holy fuck Looper.. you have drank the orange monkey koolaid . You think the legal system seems to be in need of a doge style reform? WTF with an unelected billionaire running it.

Teakdoor doors best shagger has gone of reservation I fear. If you tell me you are a Dutton supporter I will know for sure.

Trump's first term was just frustratingly stupid.

This one is actually scary, it's so fkin dumb.

What an utter prick.