I still wake up each morning thinking this is a dream, I still cannot get my head around what America is doing. Its scarcely believable, living through the cold War and yet her we are. I just don't know what to say about America
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I still wake up each morning thinking this is a dream, I still cannot get my head around what America is doing. Its scarcely believable, living through the cold War and yet her we are. I just don't know what to say about America
I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by malmomike77
25th Amendment
Except JD Vance is more of the same , possibly for longer?Quote:
Originally Posted by beachbound
If they are both deemed “ incompetent”, (and after just six weeks, that seems to be the direction we’re headed) they could both be removed.
^ Ny whom and how, i'm not seeing it
^
I believe it’s the cabinet, and Congress. Obviously, we’re a long way away from that, but I am an optimist.:)
The American people and the world hope not.Quote:
Originally Posted by beachbound
I hope for your sake and the world that you re-examine your constitition coz it aint cutting the fukin mustard. unless you are a dictator
Well, the USA has always been no more than a stone's throw away from a third world banana republic and, right now, it's showing its true colours.
Shitty people, shitty president, shitty country...as our friend seekingasylum would say...
^ I disagree, they showed their true colours and sacrificed their people through two world wars and prevented the russians walking over europe, we owe the American people a great deal.
i expected better of you than that prick you mentionedQuote:
Originally Posted by Troy
Nah, they did that out of greed. Money and invention was the main reason...Quote:
Originally Posted by malmomike77
well i apreciate their intervention ans i certainly recognise the sacrifice of the soldiers that died, if you want to reduce that to economics then you are a German cvmtQuote:
Originally Posted by Troy
i know you are older than me but if you said that in front of me i'd strongly consider knocking your teeth out. I have worked and spent time with the US services amd veterans, they dont deserve a trumpian comment like that, fuk off Troy, i thought better of youQuote:
Originally Posted by Troy
Terribly sorry old bean, no need to take offence. Just remember that the US did not ratify WW1 armistice and entered the European war after Churchill pleaded with them and offered the UK family treasures, including the magnetron and, after the war, the blue sapphire jet engine...and etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by malmomike77
The US won economically out of both WW1 and WW2.
You got some more Aldi cider in today, Mike? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by malmomike77
^^ i am well aware of their economic gain. i am also well aware of the people who died to finish WWii, its them who deserve our respect, they arent here to argue with you whilst you sully their efforts
^ Well, there's no doubt the average American was honest and brave when it came to WW2, and pretty much any war they've been involved in. However, you have to admit that their management of those brave soldiers has been anything but good.
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a slight intermission whilst sanity is restored
https://youtu.be/DoIqXz2AIFs
I’d like to extend some southern hospitality, and invite you to go fuck yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy
I'm a Ukrainian American, a Vietnam war veteran and a registered Republican. My 4 uncles were WW2 Vets. One of them was killed in France. The other 3 came home after giving their all to defeat Germany. Hardly, "greed" on their part. Even though the US emerged from WW2 with economic gain, it was far from the main reason America got envolved in WW2. The main reason was the bulk of Amercans identify with their Euro heritage and willingly go off to fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy
So back to the current situation re Trump's stance on supporting the Ukraine. It is my opinian Americans will again decide the Ukraine must be supported and Mr Bone Spurs will, as always, go with the political expedient and support the Ukraine.
Early days and it won't be long before all of Trump's insane actions will come home to bring him down. Just my humble opinion. ;)
I hope you are right, but Vance Musk and the others riding this wave are going to be around for our lifetimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norton
They deserve a just Peace with honour for the victims and reparations to recontsruct, mine clearance and rebuilding, The agressor should be charged be it confiscation of assets embargoes and treated as the murderous pariahs they are and removed from WTO, SWIFT Banking and asset exchanges.
Without a US guarantee I fear the EU even with UK Canada Japan etc won't have the will, Intel, troops and modern kit to stop a complete defeat.
With a bloc in Serbia Hungary Montenegro neutral Swiiss and Austrians plus pro Putin Fico and Orban there can be axis of evil from the Yellow Sea to teh Adriatic and right quick.
Putin does not want NATO forces in Ukraine but he has used N Koreans.
Clueless mother fuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy
One can criticise their leadership, after all they ignored WWII and left everyone to it until it came home to shit on their own doorstep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy
However, the great sacrifice of those who served deserves due respect.
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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Indeed. Mixing the heroism and sacrifice of the US forces with the geopolitics preceding US involvement is not really productive.
The US did not enter either WW1 or WW2 voluntarily. They had strict isolationist policies, and laws against joining foreign wars.
America ended up embroiled in WW1 because of the German policy of unrestricted sinking non-combatant countries ships, and unarmed ships. There was huge outrage over the sinking of the Luistania - British registered but a passenger liner that had a 100+ Americans on board. The US got pissy, and the unrestricted campaign was briefly terminated, but the Germans subsequently decided f*ck it, lets sink anything we see (as policy). In the next couple of months around ten US ships were sunk, and it was that that lead to US involvement in WW1. The Germans knew that the policy would drag the US into the war, but thought it would not make a difference in the long run. I must note that the US was also pretty pissed by the Zimmermann telegram in which Germany encouraged Mexico to start a war with the US that they would support, in the event of the US joining the war.
Start of WW1 28 July 1914, entry of US 6th April 1917, end of war November 11 1918 (Note that for political reasons, US forces did not engage in combat until late September 1918!).
Before their involvement in WW2, US was again strictly isolationist. They did provide arms and ammunition to UK and the commonwealth originally in the form of "cash and carry" (basically overturning their only Neutrality Act of 1937). So they would sell stuff, but it had to be transported on UK ships. This basically bankrupted the commonwealth countries, pretty much all gold ended up in the US. When the US government realized that the UK and the other countries simply had no more money, Roosevelt twisted himself into a pretzel to come up with "lend lease". That law was signed into law on March 11th 1941. This law allowed him to sell, transfer, exchange or otherwise dispose of any defence article. Note that there was significant political opposition to these moves. Indeed, although largely swept under the rug, there was a fair proportion of the American population who thought America should join the war - on the German side. The events that led to the entry of the US to WW2 are, of course well known. The bombing of Pearl harbour, led the US do declare was on Japan (only!). In one of the major blunders of WW2, Hitler then declared war on the US. Would the US have entered the European theatre without the declaration of war by Germany remains one of the most interesting unknowns.
Its also generally not known that there was also a "reverse lend lease", whereby the UK provided war material to the US. At the end of the war a lot of US equipment under lend lease was fire sold to UK and other countries. The last payment for that was made in 2006 (not kidding!).
Start of WW2 (European theatre as Japan has been in China for years, Italy in Ethiopia, Spanish civil war etc) 1st September 1939 (invasion of Poland) and UK and France declared war on 3rd September. The US entered the war after Pearl harbour on 7 December 1941. End of the war VE day May 8th 1945 and VJ day on August 15th 1945.
The US only engaged in WW1 combat operations a few months before the Armistice, from memory they had "only" approx 50,000 casualties and actually lost more men to the Spanish Flu than combat. Total WW1 casualties are estimated around 20 million, so the US death toll is relatively insignificant in the big picture, if not to the families.Quote:
Originally Posted by malmomike77
They only entered the 2nd World War combat operations because Japan attacked Pearl Harbor although they had been supporting the Allies logistically. Even then Roosevelt only declared war on Japan, not Germany or Italy.
Edit...I should have read all the posts before responding, I see a much more detailed reply by Nidhogg above