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a very low shot at one of our most mature sensible members, not all us over 60s have Alzheimers you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by helge
Do you have any news of the abducted kids OhHo seems unable to field or understand how the parents of the kidnapped feel 200 times those taken by Hamas.
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Originally Posted by helge
No need, I’ve read it all before. Snubby gets excitable but is truthful, you and ohno lie.
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Originally Posted by DrWilly
Hand me the link then, old chap
And/or a quote will do.
From memory will do too and I'll try to look it up.
(it's actually a bit of a game changer for me, if he said so )
BSnub= thruthful ?
:smileylaughing:That just made my day
He asked me for a dance and I acceptedQuote:
Originally Posted by david44
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Originally Posted by david44
Apropos Allzheimer:
To tell you the truth, I have sadly stopped reading your posts( simply too painful) and only looked at this one, cause I thought you might have some link for my search.
Have a nice day
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Originally Posted by helge
funny you should say that…
Helga is a disingenuous liar and a massive scale hypocrite. Case in point...Quote:
Originally Posted by DrWilly
A total crock of shit because everyone knows that the ruzzians wanted and still want all of Ukraine. At the start of the invasion, pootin claimed Kyiv would fall in three days. Of course, this invasion is all about attempting to reconstitute the ruzzian empire it always was, it is just not going the way they expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by helge
I think you are wrong, but you are entitled to that opinion, same as I reckon, I have the right to ask you, what you build your opinion on.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
Not the case for Norton's postulate, that Putin has stated, that he wants to recreate (encompassing)the old Soviet Empire.
I reckon it's fair for me to ask for a link, "cause it's in numerous places, if you pay a bit of attention".
There's a fine line between facts and opinions.
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Originally Posted by DrWilly
You don't fool me, Willy
You have nothing but unconditional love for me
Of course, you do because you are pushing a false narrative. You are a vatnik you are not looking for "truth" you want to muddy the waters and create confusion. Your narratives shift with the wind depending on what is coming out of the kremlin and pootins mouth. Your marching orders are always changing.Quote:
Originally Posted by helge
You can lead a horse to water...Quote:
Originally Posted by helge
Actually not, it is farther apart than you would like it to be. That is how you propagandist marxist clowns work, you want to mask propaganda as "opinions" when it is actually just lies. When you push the facts into the opinion column, you have won, and that is your end goal. Once facts are called into question, you can inject your propaganda lies into willing ears.Quote:
Originally Posted by helge
So help me out and provide the fucking linkQuote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
Almost flattered, but you really think too highly of my very limited abilitiesQuote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
Ok ?Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
I reckon I have steered my boat in a straight line since the invasion
Lead me to the link and I'll ..have a taste:)Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
Can you do that ?Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
BSnub; I mostly post in a thread with about 9 other posters, who are as stubborn as myself, and with no public access, so I guess my victims are few and far apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
Would love to sway you though
Any hope of that ?
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Some links may be useful to prove your allegations.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrWilly
I did, you fucking drunk retard. You do not handle "facts" well.Quote:
Originally Posted by helge
You are one of the biggest lairs on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by helge
Been there, done that.Quote:
Originally Posted by helge
To condone a real genocide? To whitewash real war crimes as you have done in regard to Ukraine? I think not vatnik. Eat shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by helge
So OhNo and now Helge nothong to say nor condemn mass kidnap and murder from comfort of safety perhaps on Putin'ss payroll or fellow chid abusers?
You fail then, but then again, I knew you couldn't and neither can Norty Boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
You are all hot air and swearing.
A real tuff guy
The links and data has been posted. Afterwards you responded. To reiterate...Quote:
Originally Posted by helge
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Originally Posted by helge
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Originally Posted by bsnub
The United Nations in Ukraine condemns the severe violations of children’s rights caused by Russia’s invasion. More than two years since the escalation of the war, heavy hostilities continue to inflict immense physical, psychological, and emotional harm on children, disrupting their lives and jeopardizing their future.
“The most recent wave of Russian attacks in the Kharkiv Region underscores the dreadful cost of the war, and the horrors that the children of Ukraine are facing. Many have been killed or injured, and thousands forced to flee from their homes with nothing but the clothes on their backs and the profound stress from having witnessed a truly terrifying situation,” said Denise Brown, the UN Resident Coordinator and Humanitarian Coordinator for Ukraine. Since the escalation of the war in February 2022, the UN Human Rights Office has verified that over 600 children have been killed and more than 1,420 injured across Ukraine. However, the actual toll is likely much higher.
Russia’s invasion places a generation of Ukrainian children under severe strain – UNHCR Ukraine
Just post Putin's statement and we are done with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
Nothing in your links that supports your claim and if there is, then cut and paste it.
But you can't:bananaman:
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Originally Posted by david44
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Originally Posted by helge
:rolleyes:
Seems that I was right in ignoring David's posts of late. Quite shameful post, in my opinion. Up to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrWilly
I haven't followed this thread and when I opened Norton's post, which I often reads, I just felt like asking for a link.
Which wasn't appreciated, which is logically enough, since he can't give one.
I see that I am now accused of being on Putin's payroll and/or a child abuser by David.
Quite the mouthful.
Thanks a bunch
or I trust neither just condemn the mass rape murder and kidnap will reassure, sucking up to Putin's apologist attacking Norts and Snubby who have always spported the democracies over the dictators, it ain't rocket science. like San Fermines you either run with the buls or get besmirched by the company you keep. OhHo has never responded to the mass kidnap.Quote:
Originally Posted by helge
Child abductions in the Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia
July 31, 2023
- By Current Time
More Than 700,000 Ukrainian Children Taken To Russia Since Full-Scale War Started, Official Says
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Russian President Vladimir Putin (left) and his commissioner for children's rights, Maria Lvova-Belova, were included in an arrest warrant by the International Criminal Court over the deportation of Ukrainian children.
Russian children's commissioner Maria Lvova-Belova has said that more than 700,000 Ukrainian children have been taken from Ukraine to Russia since the start of the full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine. Lvova-Belova said in a report published on July 30 that the vast majority of those children came to Russia accompanied by parents and relatives. On March 17, the International Criminal Court in The Hague issued an arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin and Lvova-Belova. They were charged with being responsible for the deportation of Ukrainian children to Russia -- a war crime under international legislation. To read the original story by Current Time.
Ukraine'''s missing children tracked down in Russia by digital sleuths
An international team of investigators say they have tracked down eight Ukrainian children, believed to have been abducted during Russia's invasion.
More than 60 detectives used digital open source techniques to trace the missing children who are understood to have appeared in Russian propaganda.
Experts from 23 countries joined forces at Europol's headquarters in The Hague.
They used advanced facial recognition to find recent images of the children online.
As investigators are unable to travel to Russia or Belarus, geolocation experts analysed photos and videos and used satellite data to determine where they were taken.
Network data analysis was then able to establish whether multiple children were in the same location.
Detectives at the EU's police agency are not revealing either the identities or the whereabouts of the eight children who've been tracked down using open source intelligence, citing potential risks to their safety.
Ukrainian police will inform the relatives and possibly open a criminal investigation. However, Ukraine's liaison for Europol said the ultimate goal was "to bring our children home to their families".
The government in Kyiv estimates that at least 19,500 Ukrainian children have been deported and forcibly displaced from their homes to Russia and Russian-occupied territories since the full scale invasion began in February 2022, and of those only 388 have returned home.
The exact figure is unclear, and where they are is mostly unknown. The BBC has compiled evidence from many children who said they were separated from parents, were not allowed to go home or call their relatives.
In 2023, the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant for the Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Children's Rights Commissioner Maria Lvova-Belova for the alleged unlawful deportation of children.
Russia denies the accusation and says it has protected vulnerable children by moving them from a war zone for their own safety.
Maria Lvova-Belova talks of "rescuing" Ukrainian children and has repeatedly argued that they are free to go home.
She says some 730,000 children have been brought to Russia, most of them with their parents or other relatives, and that 2,000 children were evacuated from Ukrainian orphanages, although she makes no mention of forcible displacement.
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/480/cp...6cad8.jpg.webpRinat Akhmetov Foundation
These children who were deported to Russia took part in a recreational camp in western Ukraine this month
Researchers from Yale University in the US mapped the deportation system and found that children were often placed in re-education camps or psychiatric hospitals.
Russian authorities have made it easier to adopt a Ukrainian child, change their name and issue them with a Russian passport.
The BBC reported last year on the gruelling journeys of Ukrainians to find their children who had been moved deep into Russia.
Humanitarian organisation Save Ukraine has managed to rescue at least 95 kidnapped Ukrainian children and will receive the international Four Freedoms Award in the Netherlands in recognition of its achievements.
This month18 Ukrainian children who were transferred to Russia and then returned home took part in a recreational camp in Irshava in the Zakarpattia region of western Ukraine, organised by a foundation set up by a Ukrainian billionaire.
All helge did was ask Norton for a link to support Norton's claim. So far Norton has not.Quote:
Originally Posted by david44
Snubby attacks anyone who does not agree with him. Responding in a similar fashion is par for the course on TD. So what?
Snubby posted three links. I have read one so far. There was no 'smoking gun' in it. It was opinion (low quality interpretation if I was being generous) with a misleading/clickbait title. I might read the other two articles later. I might not. Surely someone can post the clear 'evidence' if in fact "Putin himself has made clear" what Norton claimed.
We hardly need word he ha abused Etonian border ssovereignty only lasweek, imvaded Donbas Ukraine and
luhansk and larges swathes of S Ukraine
Murder in UK and attempts on Skripal and many other inide and outide Rusia from Wagmer talwarts to Navalny
Trhreat to all neighbour bar muclear Xi and N Korea
Russia Is Threatening to Expand Its Borders Again—This Time in the Baltic Sea
Vladimir Putin: The rebuilding of ‘Soviet’ Russia - BBC News
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treatimg Putin and his apologists equally to democrats is an insult to the victims. amongst them Russian opposition and young conscripts burned for one man's vanity an evil muderous dictator wanted by the International court
Situation in Ukraine: ICC judges issue arrest warrants against Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin and Maria Alekseyevna Lvova-Belova
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https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/defaul...?itok=2I35FNgI
Today, 17 March 2023, Pre-Trial Chamber II of the International Criminal Court (“ICC” or “the Court”) issued warrants of arrest for two individuals in the context of the situation in Ukraine: Mr Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin and Ms Maria Alekseyevna Lvova-Belova.
Mr Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, born on 7 October 1952, President of the Russian Federation, is allegedly responsible for the war crime of unlawful deportation of population (children) and that of unlawful transfer of population (children) from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation (under articles 8(2)(a)(vii) and 8(2)(b)(viii) of the Rome Statute). The crimes were allegedly committed in Ukrainian occupied territory at least from 24 February 2022. There are reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Putin bears individual criminal responsibility for the aforementioned crimes, (i) for having committed the acts directly, jointly with others and/or through others (article 25(3)(a) of the Rome Statute), and (ii) for his failure to exercise control properly over civilian and military subordinates who committed the acts, or allowed for their commission, and who were under his effective authority and control, pursuant to superior responsibility (article 28(b) of the Rome Statute).
Ms Maria Alekseyevna Lvova-Belova, born on 25 October 1984, Commissioner for Children’s Rights in the Office of the President of the Russian Federation, is allegedly responsible for the war crime of unlawful deportation of population (children) and that of unlawful transfer of population (children) from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation (under articles 8(2)(a)(vii) and 8(2)(b)(viii) of the Rome Statute). The crimes were allegedly committed in Ukrainian occupied territory at least from 24 February 2022. There are reasonable grounds to believe that Ms Lvova-Belova bears individual criminal responsibility for the aforementioned crimes, for having committed the acts directly, jointly with others and/or through others (article 25(3)(a) of the Rome Statute).
Pre-Trial Chamber II considered, based on the Prosecution’s applications of 22 February 2023, that there are reasonable grounds to believe that each suspect bears responsibility for the war crime of unlawful deportation of population and that of unlawful transfer of population from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation, in prejudice of Ukrainian children.
The Chamber considered that the warrants are secret in order to protect victims and witnesses and also to safeguard the investigation. Nevertheless, mindful that the conduct addressed in the present situation is allegedly ongoing, and that the public awareness of the warrants may contribute to the prevention of the further commission of crimes, the Chamber considered that it is in the interests of justice to authorise the Registry to publicly disclose the existence of the warrants, the name of the suspects, the crimes for which the warrants are issued, and the modes of liability as established by the Chamber.
The above mentioned warrants of arrests were issued pursuant to the applications submitted by the Prosecution on 22 February 2023.
Norton has not, and he should not bother. The evidence is open source and overwhelming to anyone with open eyes. I posted up three compelling sources that were responses to pootins manifesto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
At this point you have a history of being a bit of a tankie and your mate Helga is clearly a vatnik who worships vlads micro-penis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
If after three years of real genocidal warfare against Ukraine you need any further "evidence" than you are a clown and nothing more.
The onus is on you to prove otherwise. I await your evidence to the contrary.
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thanks snubQuote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
the nub
Thank you for your link.Quote:
Originally Posted by david44
Some potential miss assignments of blame/responsibilities.
1. "Violations of children’s rights caused by Russia’s invasion."
Russia did not and, possibly even now, has not invaded Ukraine sovereign territory. They are still in Russian Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia oblasts.
On 30 September 2022, Russia, declared its annexation of areas in and around four Ukrainian oblasts—Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia
As such there has been no invasion.
Russian annexation of Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia oblasts - Wikipedia
2. "More than two years since the escalation of the war, heavy hostilities continue to inflict immense physical, psychological, and emotional harm on children, disrupting their lives and jeopardizing their future."
As there are various combatants fighting, one cannot solely attribute any inflict of harm to one entity.
3. "Since the escalation of the war in February 2022, the UN Human Rights Office has verified that over 600 children have been killed and more than 1,420 injured across Ukraine."
By which combatant?
4. "The war has severely impacted the education system in Ukraine.
Frequent air raid alarms and power outages have further disrupted their education, leading to significant learning losses and long-term implications for their development.
Access to health-care services has also been limited due to damage to health facilities and displacement of health workers, severely impacting children’s health."
These services are under the control of Ukraine entities.
How do you suggest ths Russia provide such services?