Thread: Thais believe in ghosts - how do you deal with this?

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by bkkmadness

So unless there is scientific proof you believe that it cannot possibly exist?

Not at all. If there's not any scientific proof, I am unwilling to believe it exists.

Now are you telling me Casper does not exist (bollox)

Originally Posted by stroller

and he (assuming you mean the Christian god) has not commented on the existence of ghosts. But he demands people do not worship anything besides him.

wrong mate, plenty of mentions of spirits, demons, devils work, false gods, angels and saints.

Wasnt till the 15th century (or thereabouts, I havent googled the exact dates yet) when the Christian church made attempts to remove all references to magic and ghosts to separate itself from Paganism in the minds of the people.

Originally Posted by changnoy

Now are you telling me Casper does not exist (bollox)

I forgot about him. OK, I'm converted.

Show me a ghost and I will believe.

Quite simple, really.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Show me a ghost and I will believe.

Quite simple, really.

Not so simple actually.
Thai ghosts do not like farangs.
They show themselves only to Thai people.
Sorry...

I fit right in in Thailand as I also believe in ghosts.

Hmmm, why?

Originally Posted by Bluecat

Hmmm, why?

because I believe in the after life and some souls are not ready to leave their earthly bounds.

Originally Posted by November Rain

I've seen & experienced ghosts. So has Jet.

Originally Posted by November Rain

Of course, the flat-earthers knew different. They knew (without proof on either side) that if you sailed a boat to the edge of the world it would drop off.

Same same...

Originally Posted by Texpat

Show me a ghost and I will believe.

Quite simple, really.

Give me your address.

I loved Thailand because there was a "Pee" for everything. That's one reason why they never sleep alone in a place. The people I mean.

Originally Posted by Rdrokit

I fit right in in Thailand as I also believe in ghosts.

If you do then take up Jams Randy's offer of $1,000,000 and prove there's such a thing. Get a life. Excuse the pun.

It seems only the people who believe in ghosts actually see them or have a problem with them.

There is enough shit in life to be scared of without inventing supernatural stuff.

Any ghosts want to haunt me, I have some dead friends who will sort them out real quick!

Originally Posted by Ivor Biggun

Originally Posted by Rdrokit

I fit right in in Thailand as I also believe in ghosts.

If you do then take up Jams Randy's offer of $1,000,000 and prove there's such a thing. Get a life. Excuse the pun.

That's your and their prob, Ivor. Money means nothing in that dimension. Basically, we don't want or have to prove anything, because we pity the inability of folks like you to see beyond the single dimension you live in. You'll get it when you die and cross the river. Maybe.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Originally Posted by Ivor Biggun

Originally Posted by Rdrokit

I fit right in in Thailand as I also believe in ghosts.

If you do then take up Jams Randy's offer of $1,000,000 and prove there's such a thing. Get a life. Excuse the pun.

That's your and their prob, Ivor. Money means nothing in that dimension. Basically, we don't want or have to prove anything, because we pity the inability of folks like you to see beyond the single dimension you live in. You'll get it when you die and cross the river. Maybe.

I know money means nothing in the new dimension, but any chance of getting one of your spooks to divulge the winning lotto numbers for tonight.
I promise to become a believer if I win.

Originally Posted by Panda

I know money means nothing in the new dimension, but any chance of getting one of your spooks to divulge the winning lotto numbers for tonight.

Really? Last night the ghost of Janis Joplin came by the house and was still singing that Mercedes Benz ditty. Bitch drank all my Southern Comfort as well.

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Panda

I know money means nothing in the new dimension, but any chance of getting one of your spooks to divulge the winning lotto numbers for tonight.

Really? Last night the ghost of Janis Joplin came by the house and was still singing that Mercedes Benz ditty. Bitch drank all my Southern Comfort as well.

Got drunk with her many times myself.

I think if Princess Dianna ever fronted up I would just kick her in the cnut and tell her to fuck off back to ghost-land. Nice tits, but no fun at a piss up and cant sing for shit. Give me JJ anyday.

Originally Posted by Ivor Biggun

Originally Posted by Rdrokit

I fit right in in Thailand as I also believe in ghosts.

If you do then take up Jams Randy's offer of $1,000,000 and prove there's such a thing. Get a life. Excuse the pun.

The tricky part about Randi's million dollar challenge is that it is performing on command some supernatural ability that can be verified by instrumentation.

If for sake of discussion we assume that ghosts exist and that a particular person does have the actual ability to see them, the Randi challenge would not be fulfilled, because:
1. The claimant would only be able to see a ghost if there was a ghost currently 'haunting' the location; and,
2. Even if the claimant saw the ghost, there would be no way for instrumentation to verify it. At best, a real-time CAT scan would show that the claimant's brain function has become different, but this is not considered proof of the ability nor of the existance of ghosts.

The Randi challenge is clever (as all science rightly should be) in that an ability is being tested, not an event. The challenge would not, for example, apply to a haunting, even if there was 'poltergeist-type' activity. The challenge would apply if a claimant claimed the ability of being able to command the ghost as to what object to move.

Reproducability and verifiability are two cornerstones of the scientific method, neither of which can be applied to ghosts or ghost-sightings: A ghost is (probably) not interested in performing 'on command', and it is impossible to verify whether someone saw a ghost.

Ghost-related phenomenom are almost exclusively 'tied' to a location, or occasionally tied to an object or person. As such, it is almost impossible to meet the part of the challenge that requires that the claimed ability be performed on demand at a 'random' location.

The only way I can see for ghost-related phenom to 'win' the Randi challenge would be:
1. A person has the 'genuine' ability to interact with a ghost; and
2. The person is able to command the ghost; and
3. The ghost is willing and able to fulfill the command; and
4. The ghost is 'haunting' an object or person that can be moved to a different location.

If such a team of human+ghost existed, they would either be much more wealthy than the $1Mill on offer OR would not be interested in the $1Mill and the publicity.

Originally Posted by zipcode;589037

The only way I can see for ghost-related phenom to 'win' the Randi challenge would be:
1. A person has the 'genuine' ability to interact with a ghost; and
2. The person is able to command the ghost; and
3. The ghost is willing and [B

able to fulfill the command[/B]; and
4. The ghost is 'haunting' an object or person that can be moved to a different location.

If such a team of human+ghost existed, they would either be much more wealthy than the $1Mill on offer OR would not be interested in the $1Mill and the publicity.

Bugger.
I guess that means the ghosts are not playing and we dont get to see them on TV?

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

... we pity the inability of folks like you to see beyond the single dimension you live in. You'll get it when you die and cross the river. Maybe.

I really hope for him he lives in more than one dimension.

^ Simplified to drive home the point, Fab. I know, most folks do 3 or 2 5/8.
Lemmeesee, lotto number. 686 Can't give you the location tho. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ Simplified to drive home the point, Fab. I know, most folks do 3 or 2 5/8.
Lemmeesee, lotto number. 686 Can't give you the location tho. Sorry.

Actually, its a bit scary to think that our dead friends might be watching us in our most private moments. What are they going to think of us when we cross over to the after-life? I mean what are you going to say to Grandma when you know she has been watching you wank off to porno?

And the worst part is that we didn't get to spy on those buggers who died before us, so we got no shit to throw back at them. Its just not fair. I hope God sorts this problem out soon.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by bkkmadness

So unless there is scientific proof you believe that it cannot possibly exist?

Not at all. If there's not any scientific proof, I am unwilling to believe it exists.

That would be a reasonable position, but it is not yours.
You are going much further, claiming it to be a "crock of shit" and denigrating those who do believe or consider it a plausible possibility.

Originally Posted by Panda

It seems only the people who believe in ghosts actually see them or have a problem with them.

Erm, no.
But people who have seen ghosts certainly believe in them.

Let's have a look at what "ghosts" are supposed to be:

a) They are the 'shadows' of people or animals who have died. Living creatures have a 'spirit' which lives on after physical death and it may stay around in the places they used to live or the scene of death under certain circumstances. Spirits dwell in another, parallel world which overlaps with the physical one we know. Ghosts retain the characteristics of the deceased person and are able to sometimes make themselves visible and cause physical effects (poltergeist, for example).
This belief is called "Spiritism".

b) Ghosts, also called 'spirits' animate and reside in nature, i.e. trees, mountains, wind, water etc.
They have human-like emotions and possess varying degrees of powers to make things happen, including beneficial or adverse events concerning the weather, health and illness, accidents etc. These ghosts can also be communicated with.
This belief is called "Animism".

c) While the above ghosts are bound to certain locations, there are also 'higher' types of ghosts, or spirits, demi-gods, demons, ancestral spirits, some of which can take on human form and are in full control of physical manifestations.
This belief includes nature religions but also Hinduism, for example.

All of these beliefs can be found throughout the world and throughout the ages.
Due to their lack of a physical body, ghosts can not normally be perceived by the human senses, but effects are observed which are (often falsely) attributed to ghost activities.
Extra-sensory perception is something which is latent in most humans and can be developed.

We have established and learned to utilise realities which we can not perceive with methods and instruments developed by science, electricity, radio-waves etc.

Why would one reject outright the possibility that there is an explanation, rhyme and reason we do not know yet, behind what is commonly labeled "ghost"?