The 2024 US Presidential Election Discussion thread

[longway]

^ And Ron Paul

[Norton]

the USA is too big and everything it does causes ripples & waves around the globe.

Trump says Taiwan should pay for it's defence. Only follows the PI will be paying as well.

[baldrick]

and Musk being Secretary of the Department of Efficiency

which guarantees a depression for the US - will it be what crashes the USD remains to be seen - he has already shown his skill with twitter

and as for the other liars - twice there has been a competent woman put forward as a presidential candidate , and twice the americans have voted in the worst male candidate in america - the truth is stark

Trump says Taiwan should pay for it's defence

and japan - I am sure okinawa is keen to be rid of his base

[Switch]

^I suppose the Americans still want somewhere to park a carrier group in the area. Subic rental anyone?

[harrybarracuda]

So the Arab-Americans in Dearborn, MI are telling Harris that "they warned her" that they wouldn't vote for her if she didn't go totally pro-Palestinian (which of course would have cost her most of the Jewish vote).

And by not voting for her, they've basically elected a mate of Benny's.

Dumb c u n t s.

[david44]

And by not voting for her, they've basically elected a mate of Benny's

but even with Michigan she lost.

[Bonecollector]

So the Arab-Americans in Dearborn, MI are telling Harris that "they warned her" that they wouldn't vote for her if she didn't go totally pro-Palestinian (which of course would have cost her most of the Jewish vote).

And by not voting for her, they've basically elected a mate of Benny's.

Dumb c u n t s.

Maybe they just don't like any of the work sexual weirdness agenda or criminals/ drug dealers freely walking into their country.......

[39TG]

which guarantees a depression for the US - will it be what crashes the USD remains to be seen - he has already shown his skill with twitter

and as for the other liars - twice there has been a competent woman put forward as a presidential candidate , and twice the americans have voted in the worst male candidate in america - the truth is stark

No, both women were politically unpopular. I agree both were reasonably competent to be president but that isn't enough. The elitist Democrats need to select more popular candidates who appeal to voters rather than to their base.

[beachbound]

reasonably competent to be president .

seriously? Hillary Clinton was the most qualified person to be president, in the last 50 years.
And if James Comey had kept his fucking mouth shut, she would’ve been.

[snakeeyes]

[peaches]

Where I once saw light at the end of the tunnel ……… I now only see Trump World.

And that I’m afraid to say …….. Is darker than dark.

[Switch]

Harris lost because of holes in her experience that Dem leadership either failed to see, or chose to ignore because as VP she was the easier option to go for at short notice,

Her campaign was undermined because Biden and the leadership did not give her permission to choose her way instead of riding on the Biden ticket. (Which would have lost anyway).

All this is apparent in hindsight, but the democrat leadership will still blame Harris.

Aside from all this, I personally found her constant harping about women’s body rights a bit creepy. She was right to use it of course, but went too far with it.

[malmomike77]

when you look at Trumps nonimations for key roles you'd be forgiven for thinking someone was casting for a comedy, i don't think people will be laughing.

[39TG]

when you look at Trumps nonimations for key roles you'd be forgiven for thinking someone was casting for a comedy, i don't think people will be laughing.

Kennedy is a possible nomination that really concerns me. He's as nutty as Tucker Carlson.

[harrybarracuda]

Maybe they just don't like any of the work sexual weirdness agenda or criminals/ drug dealers freely walking into their country.......

Or maybe they're just really dumb c u n t s.

[harrybarracuda]

In fairness, if Kamala hadn't been around it would have been a choice between a bumbling fucking idiot and Joe Biden.

[nidhogg]

So the Arab-Americans in Dearborn, MI are telling Harris that "they warned her" that they wouldn't vote for her if she didn't go totally pro-Palestinian (which of course would have cost her most of the Jewish vote).

And by not voting for her, they've basically elected a mate of Benny's.

Dumb c u n t s.

Yup. Too many groups "sending a message". The fact that the "working class" went with a platform of two (trump and Elon) billionaires just beggers the imagination. Still, much the same as Taxin I suppose.

It is going to be a long, hard four years for America, and the people who will be most hurt will be the very people that voted for him - or sat home.

If it just sent America into the basket - I would not give a shit. But that madmans actions will likely affect much of the rest of the world.

Dark times ahead.

[taxexile]

The Left have failed miserably in labelling everyone they disagree with as fascists

Accusing evidently mainstream politicians like Donald Trump of being the second coming of Hitler is baseless hysteria


Tom Harris


07 November 2024 3:34pm GMT


To those of us who are, at best, indifferent to the prospect of a second Trump administration in the US, some of the reactions by progressive voices have been – like the commentary in advance of election day – an unhealthy (though entertaining) blend of hysteria and overreaction.

A panel discussion on MSNBC yesterday included one participant who, in all seriousness and seemingly on the verge of tears, praised Kamala Harris’s “flawlessly run campaign”, on the basis that the vice president had been endorsed by none other than Queen Latifa (who, it turns out after a quick Google search, is not the monarch of an obscure African nation but is in fact an American rapper) instead of the rather more prosaic metric of having won more votes than the other guy.

Across social media there was breathless and anxious fatalism – just as there had been during the campaign – that democracy itself had come to at an end. The movie Civil War wasn’t just a Hollywood blockbuster but a prescient warning of the inevitable fate of the Republic. In that film, the ill-fated third-term president is portrayed as a fascist, and there are no prizes for guessing who provided the writers with the inspiration for that particular character.

As on many previous occasions, it was left to J.K. Rowling to inject a much-needed dose of realism into the debate (ironic, given her authorship of the world’s most beloved and successful series of fantasy novels). “Judging from my X feed, a lot of progressives think the only mistake they’ve made recently is failing to call opponents Nazis often enough.”

The accusation that Trump is some sort of fascist, or even the new Hitler, as some excitable X users have suggested, is an easy one to dismiss. All those valiant activists who put “anti-fascist” in their X bios (almost always included side-by-side with their preferred pronouns) would no doubt have been prepared to die violently in the fight against Hitler’s regime had they been around in Germany at the time.

That being the case, if they truly believed Trump is the leader of a nascent Fourth Reich, wouldn’t they be prepared to use all possible means – including violence – to remove him? You wouldn’t tackle Hitler by posting angry Tweets and waiting for the first opportunity to vote him out; you’d take direct and fatal action, surely?

But they don’t advocate such action against Trump; ergo, they do not consider him an actual fascist. The rage, the intemperate language, the tears – they are all performative. Which makes the accusation of fascism – not only against Trump himself but against most of the ordinary Americans who voted for him and, of course, everyone in Britain who voted for Brexit, Reform UK or who objects to record levels of immigration – all the more dishonest and criminally irresponsible.

What makes such comments cross the line from irresponsible to hypocritical is that those same progressives (and that term itself is doing a lot of heavy lifting here) refuse to acknowledge behaviours and philosophies closer to home that are easily more identifiable as fascistic.

Gender ideologues, for example, who denigrate “Terfs” (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists) like Rowling and who courageously mask up before going round punching women in the face for voicing opposition to biological men in women’s spaces are textbook fascists – they’re wearing black shirts, for goodness sake! How many clues do you need?

And Hamas is an unambiguously fascist organisation which imposes its medieval misogynist and anti-Semitic philosophy on its own people by force and intimidation and uses extreme violence, including rape and torture, against non-Muslims, especially Jews. Hamas’s leaders, those that are still alive, anyway, would probably regard Goebbels and co. as bafflingly lenient and liberal towards Germany’s Jewish population.

Yet Western students and grown-ups who should know better regularly indulge their Keffiyeh Chic, publicly demonstrating their solidarity with the Islamist terrorists while bemoaning the imminent arrival of a fascist regime in the White House, albeit a regime that was democratically elected in a fair and free election and which is strictly time-limited by the constitution.

Rowling’s point needs to be carefully noted and absorbed by the Left: name-calling your political opponents might make you feel better but it doesn’t actually work. Doubling down, as many have since Tuesday’s election, on their previous smearing of their political opponents doesn’t deliver the political dividends they hoped for. A more nuanced and sophisticated response to Trump’s appeal might be in order.

Meanwhile, they should wake up to the genuine examples of modern day fascism. It’s not hard to spot. Some of their best friends fit the bill.
THE TELEGRAPH

if this election marks a turning point in the left’s use of identity politics, then republican voters will have done the world a major service and trump should be up for a nobel prize.

[Shutree]

We can cut and paste third party opinion pieces for ever. It doesn't change anything.

[longway]

I've been sipping....

https://x.com/OneBadDude_/status/185...VpassqGTg&s=19

[longway]

[harrybarracuda]

Of course our resident dumb trumpanzee spends all his time drooling over twatter, and he still hasn't learned to post pictures properly, which is a good thing.

[longway]

I'm simply here to try to lead some of you out of your hallucinations and fantasies. I can see though its a fuitle task. I may not grace you all with my presence much longer, I have better things to do. At some point, when the fancy takes me, I will lave you insane thickos to cope and seethe for the next 4 years, cementing ever more idiotic ideas in your empty heads.

[mikenot]

I'm simply here to try to lead some of you out of your hallucinations and fantasies. I can see though its a fuitle task. I may not grace you all with my presence much longer, I have better things to do. At some point, when the fancy takes me, I will lave you insane thickos to cope and seethe for the next 4 years, cementing ever more idiotic ideas in your empty heads.

Or, what you mean is that very soon people, even the most vocal of Trump acolytes, will begin to first wonder at his actions and then realise that he and the yes men he chooses to work with are totally whacko. At the first sign of reality emerging "longway" will disappear before you are shown to be completely wrong.

[beachbound]

I have better things to do

It’s quite apparent, that you don’t.