The 2024 US Presidential Election Discussion thread

[Stumpy]

Massive respect to Norton and Stumpy for owning it.

Cheers Switch.... We do own it.

Let’s hope Harris wins, without the turmoil of extremism as a backlash to Trump.

Herein lies a big concern. It used to be when an election occurred it was a celebration, a hand off of responsibility etc. With Trump he is like a spoiled child loser and if he loses the petty rhetoric will escalate which is sad really.

The election is one event. Trump loses, there will be another event.

[harrybarracuda]

It would give her a mandate to produce corrective action, without going over the top.

If she can win Congress, yes, and of course having a partisan SCOTUS kinda screws things too.

But at least it would stop the orange turd. That it itself is a victory.

[Switch]

If she can win Congress, yes, and of course having a partisan SCOTUS kinda screws things too.

But at least it would stop the orange turd. That it itself is a victory.

I dread to think what might happen if he wins, but the carnage and chaos he might initiate if he loses ……..

[Stumpy]

Sitting here this morning having to listen to the news as the rhetoric ramps up, one thing that has become quite disheartening to me is that this election process is not about imperatives and plans each candidate plans on working on to better our country, its like children in school calling each other names. Especially Trump. I was really hoping that Harris would stay out of the fray and not stoop to his level but recently she has. I think she is better served to rise above it and be professional.

Oh well.....Its how we have politically digressed as a country and quite honestly Trump really started the divisive crap and the country has suffered for it.

[harrybarracuda]

Sitting here this morning having to listen to the news as the rhetoric ramps up, one thing that has become quite disheartening to me is that this election process is not about imperatives and plans each candidate plans on working on to better our country, its like children in school calling each other names. Especially Trump. I was really hoping that Harris would stay out of the fray and not stoop to his level but recently she has. I think she is better served to rise above it and be professional.

Oh well.....Its how we have politically digressed as a country and quite honestly Trump really started the divisive crap and the country has suffered for it.

This is not new, but I'm surprised to find out it started with Nixon in 1968.

Republicans: The Party of utter c u n t s for 50+ years.

[pickel]

Its how we have politically digressed as a country and quite honestly Trump really started the divisive crap and the country has suffered for it.

The wheels of divisiveness were set in motion in 1987 when the FCC, under Reagan, abolished the Fairness Doctrine. And along came Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. Trump turned up the volume, but he didn't start it.

Fairness Doctrine

The fairness doctrine of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, was a policy that required the holders of broadcast licenses both to present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that fairly reflected differing viewpoints.[1] In 1987, the FCC abolished the fairness doctrine,[2] prompting some to urge its reintroduction through either Commission policy or congressional legislation.[3] The FCC removed the rule that implemented the policy from the Federal Register in August 2011.[4]

The fairness doctrine had two basic elements: It required broadcasters to devote some of their airtime to discussing controversial matters of public interest, and to air contrasting views regarding those matters. Stations were given wide latitude as to how to provide contrasting views: It could be done through news segments, public affairs shows, or editorials. The doctrine did not require equal time for opposing views but required that contrasting viewpoints be presented. The demise of this FCC rule has been cited as a contributing factor in the rising level of party polarization in the United States.[5][6]

Fairness doctrine - Wikipedia

[harrybarracuda]

The wheels of divisiveness were set in motion in 1987 when the FCC, under Reagan, abolished the Fairness Doctrine. And along came Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. Trump turned up the volume, but he didn't start it.

Well....

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[baldrick]

I was really hoping that Harris would stay out of the fray and not stoop to his level but recently she has.

I don't think she has stooped to his level , but has every right to call him out as a scumbag . And I think she should.

Walz pointing out weird and people being dipsh1ts resonates with a large proportion of the population.

I am glad to see more vocal statements now highlighting that trump is a fascist.

[Stumpy]

I am glad to see more vocal statements now highlighting that trump is a fascist.

Me too in the big picture. And I agree she needs to highlight his nonsense, but I think she could do a much better job of how to mention it, then move onto to what her focused plans are.

[39TG]

I suspect she's very much on message. She's focusing on a narrow range of voters in the swing states. Other Americans are, for now, not important.

[Norton]

Me too in the big picture. And I agree she needs to highlight his nonsense, but I think she could do a much better job of how to mention it, then move onto to what her focused plans are.

Agree. The effort now is getting out the vote. With Barak and Bill out getting older Dems to vote coupled with celebraties getting the 18 to 25 year Olds out to vote.

Do this and she will win by a significant margin.

[Stumpy]

Agree. The effort now is getting out the vote. With Barak and Bill out getting older Dems to vote coupled with celebraties getting the 18 to 25 year Olds out to vote.

Do this and she will win by a significant margin.

I believe so as well Norts. Focus on the plans. Sure make a mention of Trumps crap but say it in a way that it makes it sound like what he says is moot and child like, then drive on. The more she dismisses Trump and his band of idiots, the more people will see a clearer picture of the better candidate.

[Switch]

Agree. The effort now is getting out the vote. With Barak and Bill out getting older Dems to vote coupled with celebraties getting the 18 to 25 year Olds out to vote.

Do this and she will win by a significant margin.

I agree with you both in principle. Walz and co are doing a good job on Trump excesses, so Harris doesn’t have to.

[39TG]

Trump is also doing quite a job on himself. Some members of his fan club in the swing states will be having second thoughts.

[Norton]

Trump is also doing quite a job on himself. Some members of his fan club in the swing states will be having second thoughts.

The hole continues to deepen. The dude has clearly lost it completely! Going to cost him votes for sure.

[Shutree]

I know very little about the US election process, except that it seems to be far from straightforward. Out of curiosity, what would happen if Trump were to win this thing by a vote or two? Does he become president immediately or is there a process that has to take place in Congress? Then, hypothetically, if Trump were to pass away immediately after the election date, would Biden still be president, and for how long?

[malmomike77]

I know very little about the US election process, except that it seems to be far from straightforward. Out of curiosity, what would happen if Trump were to win this thing by a vote or two? Does he become president immediately or is there a process that has to take place in Congress? Then, hypothetically, if Trump were to pass away immediately after the election date, would Biden still be president, and for how long?

th other way round you will be looking at Trump tying up the Govt for months in litigation with hos army of lawyers

[Shutree]

th other way round you will be looking at Trump tying up the Govt for months in litigation with hos army of lawyers

Could be. In which case, what happens? Biden is stil president? Then if he chances to pass on before it is all resolved, does Kamala become president by default?

[beachbound]

Could be. In which case, what happens? Biden is stil president? Then if he chances to pass on before it is all resolved, does Kamala become president by default?

Unfortunately, we would be looking at a JD Vance presidency.

What happens if a presidential candidate cannot take office due to death or incapacitation before January 2025?

[Switch]

Vance has high hopes for this unfortunate turn of events to actually happen. That is almost as worrying as a possible Trump presidency!

[Shutree]

Vance has high hopes for this unfortunate turn of events to actually happen. That is almost as worrying as a possible Trump presidency!

More scary, IMHO.

[harrybarracuda]

Peter Thiel has high hopes for this unfortunate turn of events to actually happen. That is almost as worrying as a possible Trump presidency!

FTFY.

He could be the first billionaire to buy the presidency outright.

[harrybarracuda]

When you want your opponent to get all the Puerto Rican votes (and probably a few more Latino ones) so you let a racist comedian perform at your rally...

Fun Fact: There are more than a million Puerto Ricans in Florida, the largest population in all 50 states.

A comedian performing at a Donald Trump rally has come under fire after he labelled Puerto Rico a "floating island of garbage".
Comic Tony Hinchcliffe later said "these Latinos, they love making babies" and added that they don't use the pull-out birth control method before Mr Trump took to the stage at New York's Madison Square Garden on Sunday evening.

Also:

The Puerto Rican vote is sizeable in Pennsylvania, which is arguably the hardest-fought of the swing states in the 2024 election.

[david44]

Fun Fact: There are more than a million Puerto Ricans in Florida, the largest population in all 50 states.

Key West soide story

These racists are in plain site but of course the MAGA hatted trailer trash lap it up, it wouldn't matter here the army or cops would be ordered to spaltter uppity yokels, of course many of the Trumpanzees hold not just handguns but sort of military grade rapid fire assulat weapons we see in the regular American violence.

There may be trouble ahead.

[Switch]

Some American on Radio 4 just said that ‘Harris is being handled by her team’.

A good thing for Harris, who has not quite reached the political heights, compared to Trumps political lows.

If she still manages to win, it will be by being well managed, and realising that her political nous can be added to in office, by allowing others to manage her baby steps.