The 2024 US Presidential Election Discussion thread

[pickel]

Pround Boys the shame of America.

The leader of the Proud Boys was Black.

[harrybarracuda]

The leader of the Proud Boys was Black.

He was "Afro-Cuban" and for sure identified as a white nationalist, so I don't really get your point.

[pickel]

I don't really get your point.

That must be because you're not very bright. I can't help you there.

[beachbound]

The leader of the Proud Boys was Black.

Not all white supremacists are white.

[pickel]

Not all white supremacists are white.

Comedy gold that one.

Why don't you just call him a "house nigger" then?

[david44]

The leader of the Proud Boys was Black.

How does the race matter ? They are a clear and present danger to peaceful exercise of franchise.

The Proud Boys and other right-wing groups continue to threaten violence - Los Angeles Times


Opinion: Don’t underestimate threats of violence from Proud Boys and other right-wing groups

Remember during the 2020 presidential race when Donald Trump refused to disown right-wing violent extremists, instead telling the Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by”? We might now know what they’ve been standing by for.

After the rioters at the U.S. Capitol failed to disrupt the transfer of the presidency a few months later, and the nation turned its attention elsewhere, American University’s Cynthia Miller-Idriss warned in an interview with the New York Times: “A lot of people want to see Jan. 6 as the end of something. I think we have to consider the possibility that this was the beginning of something.”

But then came successful prosecutions of many of the participants — people who “saw themselves as Donald Trump’s Army,” the prosecution said — yielding more than 1,000 convictions as of this month. The sense grew that the worst of mob violence was behind us.
Not so. Recent investigations have shown that right-wing militias generally, and the Proud Boys in particular, are reorganizing, perhaps with more supporters than ever. The Proud Boys recently marched in Springfield, Ohio, after the Trump campaign spread false claims about immigrants who live there. One reporter wrote in the Nation that such groups may evolve into America’s version of the violent mobs that helped bring Adolf Hitler to power in Germany and helped elevate Benito Mussolini in Italy.





It’s important to understand just how violent these groups are. Our research team at UC Davis has conducted a large, annual, nationally representative survey on support for and willingness to engage in political violence since 2022. That year we gathered data directly from supporters of the Proud Boys and the militia movement (and six other right-wing extremist organizations and social movements). The findings are staggering.


More than 40% of the Proud Boys and militia supporters we surveyed thought that “having a strong leader for America [was] more important than having a democracy,” and majorities thought the 2020 election had been stolen from Donald Trump.

More than a third thought that violence was justified to return Trump to the presidency — in 2022. They were endorsing the violent overthrow of a legitimately elected government that had been in office for more than a year.


More than 40% thought that armed citizens should patrol polling places, and 23% of Proud Boys and 30% of militia supporters said that violence (which we defined as “physical force strong enough that it could cause pain or injury to a person”) was usually or always justified “to stop people who do not share my beliefs from voting.”

More than 30% said that violence was usually or always justified “in general…to advance an important political objective that you support.”

It gets worse. Nearly 30% of Proud Boys supporters and 45% of militia supporters expected to be armed with a gun in a future situation for which they thought political violence was justified. Perhaps most troubling, nearly 20% of Proud Boys supporters and 28% of militia supporters said that they were very or completely willing to kill someone to advance an important political objective.
What does this portend? One obvious possibility is that pro-Trump mobs will seek to sway this year’s elections by intimidating voters and election officials.






Sept. 16, 2024


It’s hard to imagine candidate Trump setting limits on such activity, given his previous social media posts calling to “liberate” state capitols from their elected leaders, as well as recent plans from his campaign and the Republican National Committee to deploy more than 100,000 poll watchers. If Trump were to lose the election, right-wing organizations might use violence in an effort to install him in the White House nonetheless.

This would bring them up against the nation’s formidable law enforcement capabilities, however, and they would almost certainly be unsuccessful.

The more concerning possibility arises if Trump is elected. In that case, Proud Boys and other right-wing extremists could become part of those enforcement capabilities. The Washington Post reported plans for a second Trump administration to possibly invoke the Insurrection Act on its first day in office and deploy federal law enforcement and the military against American civilians. In war-game simulations led by the Brennan Center for Justice to test what might happen during a second Trump presidency, experts predicted that an authoritarian president would deputize private militia members as federal marshals, one of the center’s senior advisors told me.


A President Trump might well authorize these new deputy marshals to use whatever force they deemed necessary to achieve his objectives. This is the man who as president in 2020 asked the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, “Can’t you just shoot [protesters], just shoot them in the legs or something?” He might make an advance offer of pardons for offenses committed along the way; he’s already offered to pardon Jan. 6 rioters. And thanks to the Supreme Court’s July ruling on election subversion charges against him, a President Trump would have broad immunity from prosecution for acts committed while in office.


My team’s research frequently provides grounds for optimism: The vast majority of Americans reject political violence; those who endorse it in principle are largely unwilling to participate personally; and those who say they would participate are frequently willing to change their minds if urged to do so by family members and others.
But here, the only bright spot from our research is that supporters of the Proud Boys and the militia movement account for just over 2% of the adult population. The United States is a big country, though — each percentage point represents some 2.5 million people. Imagine just a few thousand of them, willing to use lethal violence to advance the objectives of an authoritarian president, newly deputized as part of federal law enforcement.


As a political violence researcher, I’m very concerned by this possibility. All of us can play a part in prevention efforts, urging those who might participate in political violence to change their minds and following the old maxim, “If you see something, say something.” But these efforts may not always succeed. As an emergency medicine physician at a major city trauma center, I’m going to make sure my hospital is ready.


Garen Wintemute is a distinguished professor of emergency medicine at UC Davis and director of the university’s Violence Prevention Research Program.

[beachbound]

Comedy gold that one.

Why don't you just call him a "house nigger" then?

That must be because you're not very bright.

No pun intended, but if that’s not the pot call in the kettle black,…..

[pickel]

How does the race matter ?

You're the one that brought up race, David. I was just pointing something out.

No pun intended, but if that’s not the pot call in the kettle black,…..

You know, if you'd have just said not all nationalists are white, I would have agreed with you. But you went off to la la land like Harry did. According to Harry's logic, a white man should be able to identify as a black lesbian.

Regardless, the Black leader of the Proud Boys is in jail, where he belongs.

[beachbound]

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Why ‘white’ supremacists are not always white | The Far Right | Al Jazeera

White Supremacists Don’t Have to Be White

[pickel]

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Just because the media calls them "White Supremacists" doesn't mean they are.

They even quoted him.

Despite being the leader of the Proud Boys, Tarrio does not hide his heritage. “I’m pretty brown, I’m Cuban,” he said in an interview, adding that, “There’s nothing white supremacist about me.”

[harrybarracuda]

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Just because the media calls them "White Supremacists" doesn't mean they are.

They even quoted him.

Ah well, he must have thought he'd joined the fucking Scouts then.

I see you're in full on being-a-dick mode tonight.

[harrybarracuda]

According to Harry's logic, a white man should be able to identify as a black lesbian.

No, that's according to your inane logical fallacies, you dick.

[beachbound]

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Just because the media calls them "White Supremacists" doesn't mean they are.

They even quoted him. “There’s nothing white supremacist about me.”

Aah, the honor system! Yes, we should do away with the court system, and just asked people point-blank, “did you do it”?

[bsnub]

Not all white supremacists are white.

Ever hear of Mark Robinson?

‘I’m a black NAZI!’

Mark Robinson, NC GOP nominee for governor, called himself a ‘black NAZI!,’ supported slavery in past comments made on porn forum | CNN Politics

[misskit]

Harris Attack Ad Ties Trump to ‘Black Nazi’ Mark Robinson

A new Kamala Harris campaign ad paints Donald Trump as a close ally of North Carolina’s “Black Nazi” and “perv” GOP candidate Mark Robinson.


“I think you’re better than Martin Luther King,” the spot shows Trump saying to Robinson, the Tarheel state’s Republican gubernatorial nominee.

Trump endorsed the Republican in March, before the latest bombshell findings. On Thursday, CNN published a story revealing a slew of lewd posts on a pornagraphic website that the outlet tied to Robinson. The North Carolina lieutenant governor denied that the account was his, but CNN found plenty of evidence to the contrary.


Robinson will no longer be attending Trump’s scheduled rally in coastal Wilmington, North Carolina, on Saturday. Robinson has been a constant presence at Trump campaign events in the state, but the new salacious revelations about his past have changed that.


Robinson allegedly wrote that he was a “Black Nazi” and that “slavery is not bad,” saying that he wished the institution would return so he could buy slaves. In another post, the socially conservative politician who has previously referred to “transgenderism” as “filth,” wrote about how much he enjoyed watching transgender porn. He also bragged about being a Peeping Tom, detailing a memory about watching girls in the shower when he was 14 years old.


The Trump campaign has not specifically weighed in on the new allegations against Robinson. The deadline for the nominee to drop out of the race passed on Thursday night.


The Harris campaign’s new ad, entitled “Both Wrong” and first reported by CNN, focuses more on attacking Robinson for his staunch opposition to abortion than on his scandalous personal history.


“We could pass a bill saying you can't have an abortion in North Carolina for any reason,” Robinson says in the spot.

The TV ad will air in North Carolina during local news, Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune.


“In North Carolina, Donald Trump proudly embraces Mark Robinson and his extremist views on what women can and cannot do with our bodies,” Harris-Walz Campaign Chair Jen O’Malley Dillon wrote in a statement. “Together they would make the harsh reality women face in states like Georgia and North Carolina a nationwide nightmare.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/harris...inson?ref=home

[harrybarracuda]

WASHINGTON — Republican Donald Trump said that he will not make a fourth consecutive run for the US. presidency if he loses the Nov 5 election, saying "that will be it" in an interview released on Sunday (Sept 22).
Asked if he saw himself running again in four years if he is not successful in his third consecutive bid for the White House, the 78-year-old former president told Sharyl Attkisson's Full Measure programme: "No I don't. I think that will be — that will be it. I don't see that at all. Hopefully, we will be successful."

And I hope he's rotting in jail.

[beachbound]

This story hasn’t gotten much attention, but this one vote could potentially win the election.

CNN —
A pressure campaign from Donald Trump and Republican allies to change Nebraska election law was dealt a significant setback on Monday as a pivotal Omaha state senator said he would not support a last-ditch effort to overturn a 30-year law that awards electoral votes by congressional district
rather than statewide winner-take-all.
State Sen. Mike McDonnell, a former Democrat who joined the GOP earlier this year, said in a statement Monday that he would not vote to change the law in Nebraska before the November election.

“After deep consideration, it is clear to me that right now, 43 days from Election Day, is not the moment to make this change,” McDonnell said. “I have notified Governor (Jim) Pillen that I will not change my long-held position and will oppose any attempted changes to our electoral college system before the 2024 election.”


Pivotal Nebraska state senator deals Trump serious setback, saying he won’t support change to state election law | CNN Politics

[harrybarracuda]

This story hasn’t gotten much attention, but this one vote could potentially win the election.

CNN —
A pressure campaign from Donald Trump and Republican allies to change Nebraska election law was dealt a significant setback on Monday as a pivotal Omaha state senator said he would not support a last-ditch effort to overturn a 30-year law that awards electoral votes by congressional district
rather than statewide winner-take-all.
State Sen. Mike McDonnell, a former Democrat who joined the GOP earlier this year, said in a statement Monday that he would not vote to change the law in Nebraska before the November election.

“After deep consideration, it is clear to me that right now, 43 days from Election Day, is not the moment to make this change,” McDonnell said. “I have notified Governor (Jim) Pillen that I will not change my long-held position and will oppose any attempted changes to our electoral college system before the 2024 election.”


Pivotal Nebraska state senator deals Trump serious setback, saying he won’t support change to state election law | CNN Politics

I hope it doesn't come down to splitting those five electoral votes.

[harrybarracuda]

Fucking hell, nothing gets past the orange turd, does it?

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has said that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy wanted the Democrats to win the 2024 US elections in which the former US president faces Democratic Vice President Kamala Harris.

[beachbound]

I hope it doesn't come down to splitting those five electoral votes.

Fcuking republicans. We’ll probably see a lot more of this kind of shit, between now and November.


Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., met Wednesday with Nebraska Gov. Jim Pillen and about two dozen Republican legislators to discuss how the state allocates its electoral votes according to a source with direct knowledge of the trip.
Graham, acting on behalf of the Trump campaign, was working to encourage Pillen to call a special legislative session at which lawmakers could consider changing the state's apportionment of
electoral votes, the source said.
​Nebraska allocates its electoral votes by congressional district. The swing district around Omaha often goes to Democrats in an otherwise ruby red state.

[harrybarracuda]

I'm more concerned with their efforts to delay certifying elections.

Obviously this is intended to both sow doubt in the minds of the more stupid Americans that they're being fixed, as well as giving the orange c u n t the opportunity to stoke the fires.

[harrybarracuda]

What a whiny little bitch that speaker is.

The Republican Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives demanded on Wednesday that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy fire his ambassador to the United States over Zelenskyy's trip this week to a factory in Pennsylvania.
"I demand that you immediately fire Ukraine’s Ambassador to the United States, Oksana Markarova," Speaker Mike Johnson wrote in a letter to Zelenskyy.
Johnson released the letter a day before Zelenskyy was due to visit the U.S. Capitol in Washington for meetings with lawmakers. Johnson was not expected to meet with the Ukrainian leader.
The Ukrainian Embassy in Washington did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Some Republicans have been fuming over Zelenskyy's visit earlier in his weeklong trip to the United States to an ammunition plant in President Joe Biden's hometown of Scranton, Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is one of the swing states seen as crucial to victory in the November 5 presidential election.
During the trip, Zelenskyy also met with Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, Senator Bob Casey and U.S. Representative Matt Cartwright, who are all Democrats.
Biden's vice president, Kamala Harris, is the Democratic candidate running against Republican former President Donald Trump in the race for the White House.
"The facility was in a politically contested battleground state, was led by a top political surrogate for Kamala Harris, and failed to include a single Republican because — on purpose — no Republicans were invited," Johnson wrote.
"The tour was clearly a partisan campaign event designed to help Democrats and is clearly election interference," he said.
The Republican-led House Oversight Committee had already announced that it would investigate whether Zelenskyy's trip was an attempt to use a foreign leader to benefit Harris' campaign.
It is common practice for governors to meet with foreign leaders who travel to their states. In July, Zelenskyy visited a factory in Utah and was hosted by that state's Republican governor, Spencer Cox.

US House Speaker wants Ukraine's ambassador fired over Zelenskyy ammunition plant visit

[harrybarracuda]

You have to wonder how there can still be "undecided voters"....

[Switch]

Fcuking republicans. We’ll probably see a lot more of this kind of shit, between now and November.


Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., met Wednesday with Nebraska Gov. Jim Pillen and about two dozen Republican legislators to discuss how the state allocates its electoral votes according to a source with direct knowledge of the trip.
Graham, acting on behalf of the Trump campaign, was working to encourage Pillen to call a special legislative session at which lawmakers could consider changing the state's apportionment of
electoral votes, the source said.
​Nebraska allocates its electoral votes by congressional district. The swing district around Omaha often goes to Democrats in an otherwise ruby red state.

I am more concerned with Trump attempts to push his sons Crypto launch front and centre of US economics if he becomes. President again.

The majority of crypto is like asking the US federal reserve to back horses in a gambling frenzy, which will make money for only one person. Donals Trump will own and direct it, wtiting the rules in his favour.

The problem exists in the US and nowhere else. He wants the finance behind the US federal reserve under his control and no one else’s.

Already, the states in the electoral college are under pressure to bend to his will and overturn the results if they are not in his favour, gradually removing all the checks and balances instituted by the carefully constructed constitutions, to prevent dictatorships from taking place.

Trump is a failed Z list celebrity, who has entered politics to enrich himself. He is not a politician, he wants to be a dictator, and make the ‘game’ all about him and him winning.

The US immigrant lifestyle is under threat because Trump does not play by the rules.

[harrybarracuda]

I am more concerned with Trump attempts to push his sons Crypto launch front and centre of US economics if he becomes. President again.

I wouldn't be the slightest bit concerned. He can't even spell "crypto". It's just another baldy orange cunto scam.

It will be a pump and dump and trumpanzees will idiotically buy into it and get shafted like they did with TMTG.

• The team behind World Liberty Financial, the Trump family’s new crypto project, have unveiled a key detail: Who can buy the forthcoming tokens it plans to release, and how shares will be allotted.
• Twenty percent of the project’s tokens will be allotted to the founding team