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    Being moved- thats four threads into one.
    OP- perhaps 'Winnie the pooh' was a bit of an obscure title to describe the incident and Issue..

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    OP- perhaps 'Winnie the pooh' was a bit of an obscure title to describe the incident and Issue.
    Whaddya mean, perhaps?

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    just glad I wasn't the only one ........................

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    OP- perhaps 'Winnie the pooh' was a bit of an obscure title to describe the incident and Issue.
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    Stupid fucking thread title. How was I supposed to know?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mid
    just glad I wasn't the only one ........................
    Sorry gents. My sincere apologies! In the future I will title posts to reflect content.

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    Pupil defends Islam-row teacher
    Wednesday November 28, 2007 5:03 AM
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    A Sudanese pupil of the British teacher facing blasphemy charges for allowing her class to name a teddy bear Mohammed has spoken out in her defence.

    Gillian Gibbons, 54, who taught at Unity High School in Khartoum, is facing blasphemy charges after she allowed her seven-year-old pupils to name the class teddy bear Mohammed. Ms Gibbons was arrested on Sunday.

    The seven-year-old told reporters he suggested the bear be named after him, and not Islam's prophet.

    He said: "The teacher asked me what I wanted to call the teddy. I said Mohammed. I named it after my name."

    The boy, whose family did not give his full name, said he was not thinking about the prophet when he made his choice, and described Ms Gibbons as a "very nice" teacher who did not mention religion in class.

    Hopes that Ms Gibbons could be cleared were raised after a Sudanese embassy official said the "minute" matter would be resolved very quickly.

    Dr Khalid al Mubarak, a spokesman for the Sudanese embassy in London, told BBC Radio 4: "I am pretty certain that this minute incident will be clarified very quickly and this teacher who has been helping us with the teaching of children will be safe and will be cleared.

    "Our relationship with Britain is so good that we wouldn't like such a minute event to be overblown."

    Prime Minister Gordon Brown has said efforts were being made to release her "soon".

    He said: "Our embassy in Khartoum is giving all appropriate assistance to her."

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    ...The (7-yr-old) boy, whose family did not give his full name, said he was not thinking about the prophet when he made his choice...


    Isn't that enough to have him, his parents and the rest of neighbourhood stoned and then beheaded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by keda
    Isn't that enough to have him, his parents and the rest of neighbourhood stoned and then beheaded?
    Note he didn't give his name. A clear indication that his family was thinking the same as you!

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    I know - a little out of date, but still very appropriate.

    World's Muslims Lighten Up

    JERUSALEM—In the most significant Islamic ideological pronouncement since a 732 AD pledge to drive the Hebrews into the sea, the world's approximately 975,000,000 Muslims announced plans Monday to "lighten up a bit."

    Enlarge Image After centuries of strict fundamentalism, PLO leader Yasir Arafat and his fellow Muslims are finally taking things a little less seriously.


    "For the past dozen centuries or so, perhaps we took things a little too seriously," Arab League president Ibn Raouf-Abdel said. "Yes, abstaining from strong drink and hiding women's faces from view and castrating blasphemers are all great. But isn't there more to life? What about flying a kite? Or swinging on a swing? Or cakes at birthday parties?"

    The change of heart came as the result of an incident during a Sacred Sword of Righteousness rally Monday in Damascus, Syria. According to witnesses, as SSR leader Waleed bin Aziz mounted the steps leading to the stage, he tripped over his robe, causing him to lose his balance and fall face-first into an audience member's bowl of yogurt. At first, those in attendance held their breath and stifled their laughter for fear of execution. But then, bin Aziz stood up and, after a long pause, threw up his hands and erupted in laughter, breaking the tension and freeing up the crowd to do the same.

    "You know," said Abdullah Sadiiq, who was at the rally, "we haven't all shared a good laugh like that for, oh, it must have been at least a good 1,500 years. And you know what? It felt great."

    Within hours, word of the humorous episode had spread throughout the Arab world, inspiring hundreds of millions of people to adopt a more lighthearted, easygoing attitude.

    Among the strict beliefs now being reconsidered as a result of the incident is the centuries-old Islamic dress code for women.
    "Yes, woman was born to be servant to man," Beirut University professor Mahmoud bin-Gemayel said. "Absolutely. But do they have to wear those hot, uncomfortable black outfits with the face veils all the time? There must be some other way they could show men their subservience."

    Changes were also evident in Kabul, Afghanistan, where extremist Taliban leaders have overhauled their strict penal code. For centuries, traditional law decreed that those caught stealing would have their hands cut off in the public square. In the future, however, thieves will merely be stripped nude, whipped, covered in dung and chased by dogs through the streets for several hours before being jailed.

    "It never made much sense to cut off their hands, anyway," Taliban member Khalif al Tabbouk said. "After all, they can hardly be expected to earn a living through honest labor after their crime if they don't have any hands, right?"

    Sultan Reza bin Yutil of Oman, said to be one of the world's richest men, showed his support for the new "lighten-up" approach by forcibly embracing a visitor, then turning to a group of his servants and clapping his hands, shouting, "Prepare a feast!"
    "Everyone likes a nice feast," bin Aziz said.

    Perhaps no one was more pleased by the lighten-up policy than author Salman Rushdie, whose death was called for by Islamic leaders in 1988 following the alleged blasphemy of his controversial book The Satanic Verses. Rushdie's death sentence was formally rescinded Monday by a coalition of Islamic leaders, who told him, "It was an honest mistake, just try not to do it again." To make it up to Rushdie, 16 Arab nations chipped in and bought him a pasta maker.

    "Ideally, yes, we would still like to avenge history with the blood of our enemies," PLO leader Yasir Arafat said Tuesday during an appearance on Late Show With David Letterman. "But there has got to be a nicer, more reasonable way to do it."

    Added Arafat: "By the way, have you read about what's been going on in China, Dave? They're executing suspected drug traffickers and banning student demonstrations. It's crazy over there."

    Spokespersons for the world's fundamentalist Christians said that under no circumstances would they lighten up.
    from World's Muslims Lighten Up | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

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    Evil Brit defames Islam

    A British teacher has been charged with insulting religion and inciting hatred after allowing her class to name a teddy bear Mohammed.
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    The British are such pigs! And should be wiped off the planet.

    God save the Welsh and Scots.

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    I was going to post the same story. These sharia law followers aren't too intelligent are they? I'm sure they are well wanted as immigrants in the rest of the world.

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    There is a thread on this already that has bee up and running in the 'Middle Eastern Issues' section.

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    Come now, they aren't self important hysterical muppets are they?
    Islam is a religion of peace, wisdom, tolerance and understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman View Post
    There is a thread on this already that has bee up and running in the 'Middle Eastern Issues' section.
    Is the Sudan in the ME? I thought it was Africa!

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    It borders the Red Sea, and Egypt, and is across the water from Saudi. Islam is strong.

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    Yea and vast. I suppose the winnie the pooh thread should have caught my eye.

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    Has anyone noticed that anywhere these assholes go they cause nothing but trouble, can not get along with anyone else, not even amoung them selves can they get along.
    Seems that they are the ones that are causing the most trouble right now in France and are rioting because no one treats them correctly.
    Maybe they should be kept in their own countrys and refused entry into any other place but the place of their birth, or their parents birth, which ever is some place else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang
    Has anyone noticed that anywhere these assholes go they cause nothing but trouble, can not get along with anyone else, not even amoung them selves can they get along.
    I had, but I didn't want to say anything as I prefer not to be stoned to death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl
    I suppose the winnie the pooh thread should have caught my eye.
    Don't worry, Mr Earl, you're in good company. I missed it, Mid missed it, kingwilly missed it...

    https://teakdoor.com/middle-east-issues/21724-winnie-the-pooh-or-just-poo.html#post463478

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    Yep, five threads merged into one now.
    Surely a new TD record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benbaaa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl
    I suppose the winnie the pooh thread should have caught my eye.
    Don't worry, Mr Earl, you're in good company. I missed it, Mid missed it, kingwilly missed it...

    https://teakdoor.com/middle-east-issues/21724-winnie-the-pooh-or-just-poo.html#post463478
    That's greatly reassuring.

    Though I prefer the my thread tittle. "Evil Brit..."

    Winnie the Poo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    Don't worry, Mr Earl, you're in good company. I missed it, Mid missed it, kingwilly missed it...
    Post will be renamed. Again my apologies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl
    Is the Sudan in the ME? I thought it was Africa!
    Originally I posted this in the Religion and Philosophy Forum. I think it magically got moved.

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    I was wrong in stating she would not be charged due to lack of intent! Seems nothing is rational or sane when it comes to zealous religions.

    AFP: Sudan charges British teacher: faces jail, flogging

    Sudan charges British teacher: faces jail, flogging

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    KHARTOUM (AFP) — Sudan charged a British teacher on Wednesday with insulting Islam and inciting religious hatred by allowing young pupils to name a teddy bear Mohammed, offences that could see the mother of two flogged and jailed if convicted.
    Britain swiftly announced that it was summoning the Sudanese ambassador in London for talks at the Foreign Office as the case threatened to escalate into a full-blown diplomatic row.
    "The investigation has been completed and the Briton Gillian (Gibbons) was charged under Article 125 of the penal code," Deputy Justice Minister Abdel Daim Zamrawi told Sudan's official SUNA news agency.
    "The punishment for this is jail, a fine and lashes. It is up to the judge to determine the sentence," Zamrawi was quoted as saying.
    Gillian Gibbons has been in custody for three days after being arrested in Khartoum because parents complained that in allowing pupils at an expensive English school to name the bear Mohammed she was insulting the Muslim Prophet.
    The sentence for breaching Article 125 of the penal code -- publicly insulting or degrading any religion, its rites, beliefs and sacred items or humiliating its believers -- is up to six months in jail, 40 lashes and a fine.
    In London, a Foreign Office spokesman confirmed Gibbons had been charged with "insulting religion and inciting religious hatred".
    British Prime Minister Gordon Brown's office said Foreign Secretary David Miliband wanted to see the Sudanese ambassador "as a matter of urgency".
    "We are surprised and disappointed by this development," a spokesman said.
    The purpose of the meeting was "so we can get a clear explanation for the rationale behind the charges and a sense of what the next steps might be," he said. "We will consider our response in the light of that."
    The private school teacher, who has been moved to the criminal investigation department in Khartoum, told British consular officials who visited her on Wednesday for a second time that she was being treated well.
    "Our consulate went to visit her this morning. She said she was okay and treated well," an embassy spokesman told AFP, adding that British officials are in "close discussion with the Sudanese authorities".
    Zamrawi said Gibbons was being held in good conditions and added that her relatives could visit, despite a reported complaint from her ex-husband in a British tabloid that the family had not been allowed to go to Sudan.
    "She is in a room and she has all the necessary things. She has seen her lawyer and is brought food. She has basic rights. For us, she is innocent until her guilt has been proved... Her relatives can visit her," Zamrawi told AFP.
    When asked if the authorities feared that releasing Gibbons could expose her to angry mobs, he said: "We are taking all these things into account... We don't want to expose her to any unsafe conditions".
    Gibbons, in her 50s, is being held at the criminal investigation department and has been provided with an interpreter when necessary, the embassy said.
    Sudan's education ministry will also conduct an inquiry into the Christian-run Unity High School, where Gibbons taught since leaving England in July, to determine whether it was guilty of a cover-up, Zamrawi said.
    Gibbons allowed boys and girls as young as six to name the bear Mohammed several months ago. Gibbons has said she never meant to cause offence.
    The Sudanese embassy in London said the affair could still be resolved amicably -- but underlined the cultural differences behind the decision to charge the teacher.
    "We still say that it can be resolved in an amicable way through a fair hearing and fear investigation and fair legal system," embassy spokesman Khalid al-Mubarak told the BBC.
    "But a teddy bear in your culture is different from a teddy bear in our culture," he added.
    "In our culture a teddy bear is a wild and dangerous animal. It's not something to be cuddled by children before they sleep."
    A leading British Muslim took issue with that interpretation however saying that "appalled" at the decision to charge Gibbons over what had clearly been an innocent mistake.
    "This is a disgraceful decision and defies common sense," said the head of the Muslim Council of Britain, Muhammad Abdul Bari.
    "There was clearly no intention on the part of the teacher to deliberately insult the Islamic faith."
    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect,"

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