Thread: 2024 US Presidential election

One-n-the-same.
Doesn't matter who it is.
The club remains the same.

Invented, and highly fabricated, political identities are the culprit.

Related to the poll above

Non-White
Trump – 31
Biden – 59

I don’t see Trump ever being invited

It’s still early and some of these poll numbers will move. But some of these latest polls were taken after Biden’s documents news drop.

Before the document news. Margin 1.8% favoring Biden

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Just for fun.

Let’s see if there’s any significant difference a month from now, 3 months from now and even further down the line. Because some believe.......

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

Not at all, in fact I said : "If that is true and it seems like it is, then his 2024 bid is effectively over."

Where things stand today.

recent polling dates……

After the document news 2.1% favoring Biden

poll dates

One thing's for certain: Garland is never going to indict baldy orange cunto on the document charges now.

Which leaves Jan 6th or one of the financial crimes as the only way we can hope to see the orange turd's perp walk.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

One thing's for certain: Garland is never going to indict baldy orange cunto on the document charges now.

Which leaves Jan 6th or one of the financial crimes as the only way we can hope to see the orange turd's perp walk.

Jail is for poor people He will never do a day in jail.

• Biden reelection plans on track despite documents controversy

President Biden is on track to signal his reelection plans in the next few weeks, despite a self-inflicted classified documents controversy that has energized the GOP and put his political team on its heels.

“It’s still very much in the works and nothing has changed,” said one source familiar with the planning around the president’s forthcoming 2024 campaign bid.

Multiple sources with knowledge of the campaign groundwork say Biden intends to signal his intention to seek a second term after the State of the Union address on Feb. 7. A more formal declaration would come closer to the spring.

The classified documents discovery, which triggered the appointment of a special counsel last week by Attorney General Merrick Garland, has done nothing to change those plans, these sources said.

White House allies say Americans will prioritize issues like the economy over the technicalities surrounding the documents. In the coming months, they expect Biden to talk about the victories under his watch, including jobs numbers and a slowdown of skyrocketing inflation.

Democrats have expressed concerns behind the scenes that the classified materials story could be damaging to Biden.

“It’s the kind of thing that can consume a lot of oxygen,” said one Democratic strategist, who asked that their name be withheld to speak candidly. “You think it doesn’t seem like that big of a deal, and maybe it isn’t, but it ends up overtaking much of the campaign.”

White House press briefings have been dominated by questions about the classified papers, including why the White House didn’t tell the public of the discovery until months after documents were initially found at Biden’s private office in Washington, D.C.

The White House sought to go on offense on Tuesday, conducting a 45-minute call with reporters, but it also led to more questions.

At the briefing on Wednesday, the White House continued to field questions on the matter, with reporters growing frustrated with the lack of details.

During one exchange, Peter Alexander of NBC News asked White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre to invite Justice Department officials to the podium to answer questions. The White House has consistently referred questions to the Department of Justice.

“This is a legal matter that is currently happening at the Department of Justice and the president has been very, very clear when it comes to these types of legal matters when it comes to investigations,” Jean-Pierre said. “He’s not going to interfere but he wants to make sure that we give back the independence that the Department of Justice should have when it comes to these types of investigations. I certainly would not be bringing them here.”

The documents came from Biden’s time as vice president in the Obama administration. The White House Office of Counsel told the National Archives of the discovery of the documents on Nov. 2. The first news coverage came in the second week of January.

Republicans newly in charge of the House have dug into the story.

In a Jan. 18 letter to University of Pennsylvania President Mary Elizabeth Magill, House Oversight and Accountability Committee Chair James Comer (R-Ky.) asked for information on who had access to the Penn Biden Center — where Biden’s office was​ located in the years following his vice presidency. He also asked for information by Feb. 1 on a visitor log of those who met with Biden at the think tank, security at the facility and any donations to the center that may link back to China.

The documents story shifted the political narrative from the messy House Speaker’s fight from the first week of January that had shown off the divide in the House GOP. It also complicated Democratic attacks on former President Trump, who has his own classified documents scandal to deal with.

The White House and Biden allies have fought back hard at the idea that the Biden and Trump controversies are the same, saying Biden and his team immediately notified the National Archives of the revelation while Trump resisted doing so.

“This is a false equivalency by House Republicans to try and paint them in a similar shade of corruption despite Biden’s lifetime of service to the country,” said Cooper Teboe, a Democratic strategist who works with a pro-Biden political action committee.

“No one should defend taking classified documents home,” Teboe said. “But the situations surrounding the Trump documents versus the Biden documents are worlds apart. President Biden immediately followed procedure upon his team’s discovery of the documents versus President Trump who personally took the documents home with him and tried to hide them for a year — right after his failed coup attempt.”

Since the story broke last week, the White House has tried to relay to the public that they handled the matter in the appropriate way, working to send the papers back to the National Archives. They say it’s a far cry from Trump’s handling of classified papers, prompting an FBI raid on Trump’s home.

Republican strategist Doug Heye said it’s too early to say if the storyline will hurt Biden’s reelection prospects, but he said it chips away at one of the president’s core promises: competency.

“It certainly gets in his way,” Heye said. “Part of it is, ‘Will there be more?’ That’s a very real feeling Democrats have.”

Another GOP operative put it differently.

“The documents issue won’t keep him from running, but it does complicate efforts to take a clean shot at Trump on his classified documents issue and gain a clear advantage on that front,” said Kevin Madden, a former adviser to Mitt Romney. “Yes, the actions in question are very different in severity, but they are both degrees of bad.”

Originally Posted by Norton

A slight difference but to most folks the document news is of little significance.

Remains the economy and womens rights to abortion. As you say, early days but doubt over time Biden's lead over Trump will be ever increasing until election day. In fact, imo there is a strong chance Trump will not be the GOP candidate.

I can understand American interest in this event, but do we really have to put up with a two year build up to it?

FFS the UK is bad enough!

Originally Posted by Switch

I can understand American interest in this event, but do we really have to put up with a two year build up to it?

The US is a very big place covering four main time zones and fifty states each with its own unique primary.
consequently it takes time for candidates to emerge, compete in each state , secure the nomination and participate in the General election.

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

The US is a very big place covering four main time zones and fifty states each with its own unique primary.
consequently it takes time for candidates to emerge, compete in each state , secure the nomination and participate in the General election.

Rubbish . . . it's about money and the ability to spend it longer than anyone else.


Umm . . yah . . nah.

Originally Posted by Switch

I can understand American interest in this event, but do we really have to put up with a two year build up to it?

Rubbing it in, is half the fun

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Any serious candidate for the Democrats would want to leave it as late as possible so the GOPtards can't do their usual years long character assassination like they did on Clinton.

Can't takes time to raise campaign money and can't get donations until you declare.

Political spending in the 2020 election totaled $14.4 billion, more than doubling the total cost of the record-breaking 2016 cycle.

Big bucks needed and poured into the economy. It's the American way.

Trumpgate has become Bidengate, with the FBI now raiding Biden for illegally snaffling classified documents. (Is it true they found some 'in a locked garage with his Corvettes"). Is this having much effect in domestic Polling?

Originally Posted by Norton

Can't takes time to raise campaign money and can't get donations until you declare.

Political spending in the 2020 election totaled $14.4 billion, more than doubling the total cost of the record-breaking 2016 cycle.

Big bucks needed and poured into the economy. It's the American way.

I can only say that I am happy that I wasn’t insulted by exposure to that kind of ad spend! I’m just lucky I guess.

Originally Posted by sabang

Trumpgate has become Bidengate, with the FBI now raiding Biden for illegally snaffling classified documents. (Is it true they found some 'in a locked garage with his Corvettes"). Is this having much effect in domestic Polling?

.. FOS ..

Originally Posted by sabang

Is this having much effect in domestic Polling?

Doubt it. Anyway far too early to panic.

It's certainly given the GOP a useful poison pill against trumpgate, presumably.
Not up to me, but Dems should shed Biden (too old, too many mistakes, didn't deliver on his campaign rhetoric) and Rep should shed Trump (sleazy idiot).

Originally Posted by panama hat

Rubbish . . . it's about money and the ability to spend it longer than anyone else.


Umm . . yah . . nah.

So you are saying that there are not 50 states spanning 4 time zones, each with their own primary at different times?
In which each candidate needs to spend some time so that he/her are known to the electorate in that state.
You do know how many weeks are in a year right.
And after a candidate wins the nomination and runs in the general election , a week per state is way too much and some states you'd not even be campaigned in? I am sure they would love being ignored.

Let me know how you propose the process is made shorter? I am all ears.

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

The US is a very big place covering four main time zones and fifty states each with its own unique primary.
consequently it takes time for candidates to emerge, compete in each state , secure the nomination and participate in the General election.

Yet....the only candidates that are allowed to emerge are those of the ruling oligarchical class. Part and parcel of the arrangement that the dumbed down accept.
These romantic ideals that elections are open and free to all is more than a bit of a fantasy.

Funny how nobody from MSM is questioning the Campaign finance laws anymore. It's like the "Citizens United" case never existed.

Citizens United v. FEC - Wikipedia

You will only ever remain an Oligarchy until they are reformed.

Just for fun…..

List of registered 2024 presidential candidates

Just the A’s listed below.

Aaron Avouris
Aaron Grotta
Aaron Taylor
Adam McBride
Adam Michael Dunn
Adam Ouariti
Ahmad Saide
Ajay Thaliath
Alander Pulliam
Alan Huddleston
Alec Jude Wilson
Alexander David Hooper
Alexander Joseph Sean Heidenreich
Alice Yancy Teague
Alix Christopher Toulme
Amanda Dunavant
Amber Byers
Andreas Lerma
Andre Nero
Andrew Heartdoc Chung
Andrew Joseph O'Donnell
Andrew Kantor
Andrew Robert Kwiatkowski
Andrew Townsend
Angela Dwyer
Angela Glass
Angela Marie Walls-Windhauser
Angela Redovian
Angel Michael Crockford
Anna Marie Carter
Ann Yeager
Anthony Jason Hudson
Antonio Gagnon
Antonio Marco Pantalo
Antony Handal
Arse Vincent Cysewski
Arthur Van Houten
Ashaki Noni Nichols
Ashley Powell
Audrey Conrad