Thread: The end of the Ayotollahs? - lets hope so - come on you ladies

Seems to have been ignored on here, overshadowed perhaps by the Ukraine situation but there's unrest in the east, in my favourite Muslim country that has for too long suffered at the hands of Islamic nutters. Protests have been going on for weeks since the death of 22-year-old Mahsa (Jina) Amini's at the hands of Iran's “morality police”.

Are hijab protests ‘the beginning of the end’ for Iran’s regime?

The uprising over the death of Masha Amini is like no other, but whether it leads to revolution remains to be seen


The Iranian president, Ebrahim Raisi, was holding court to a small group of journalists at the Millennium Hilton in New York on his first visit to the United States since his election in June 2021. At home, protests over the death in police custody of Masha Amini, a 22-year-old Kurdish woman, were entering their sixth day.


At the start of the meeting, a 10-minute film was shown, part patriotic travel brochure and part paen to how the Iranian people “live peacefully together in a new model of democracy”. Given the events in Iran, it seemed like the kind of absurd propaganda only a severely self-deluded regime would screen.


Raisi’s minders were reluctant to take questions about the protests, but when he agreed, he became fiercely animated about western double standards and spoke so loudly that the words of the mild-mannered translator became hard to discern through the headphones. No final determination had been made into Amini’s death, but preliminary evidence showed a stroke or heart failure was the cause, he said. He cited statistics that 81 women had been killed in the UK in a six-month period. “How many times each day in the US are men and women killed every day at the hands of law enforcement personnel?”


Two weeks on and it is clear that Raisi had little idea of the forces that were being unleashed inside his country. It is still not clear whether the protests are over, despite mass arrests and scores of deaths. Nor is it clear if the older Iranian leadership believe they are facing an existential threat that requires them to change tack.


Nazanin Boniadi, a British-Iranian actor and Amnesty International ambassador, takes the view that something new has emerged on the streets of Iran.


“Never in my 14 years working on human rights advocacy have I witnessed such disillusionment with, and opposition to, the Islamic Republic regime,” she said. “While Iran has become accustomed to mass protests every decade, neither the student protests of 1999 nor the green movement of 2009, or even more recently the November 2019 protests, compare in fervour or magnitude to the current protests.”

more Are hijab protests ‘the beginning of the end’ for Iran’s regime? | Iran | The Guardian

Oh dear, don't get me started on this..

It makes me so fucking angry that this goes on in this day and age. That women are forced to wear hijabs and wear them a certain way or else they are taken by the moral police and beaten to death like Amini was. I do hope something changes out of this, but I highly doubt it. People don't want this law.

In 2020, Iran’s government Leader Ali Khamenei was quoted for saying that "improperly veiled women should be made to feel unsafe", a statement that was supported by other officials and clerics and paved the way to more violence against women.^[35][36] Among the general population, however, an independent survey conducted in the same year showed that 58% of Iranians did not believe in hijab altogether, and 72% were against compulsory hijab rules. Only 15% insisted on the legal obligation to wear it in public

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Mahsa_Amini

Its a religion that has been subverted by so called religious scholars and used by men to assert power over women and weak willed men, i hope this continues but fear it could get more bloody.

Iranians are some of the nicest people in the Muslim world in my experience, their culture and people have been suppressed for over 40 years by these religious zealots.

Originally Posted by malmomike77

Iranians are some of the nicest people in the Muslim world in my experience, their culture and people have been suppressed for over 40 years by these religious zealots.

I agree with you on them being nice. I worked with one Iranian lady when I worked in Kuwait and I still speak with her today (she now lives in Canada). I also had a short affair (shh) with an Iranian man when I lived in Kuwait and he was very nice and wasn't mean or controlling in any way. I also hear Iran is a beautiful country by my friend who I worked with while in Kuwait. She was telling me that if they see a US passport or stamp, you often aren't allowed to enter Iran.

Iran has this typical urban/ rural divide. You know where the rednecks are. I doubt the Theocracy will last another generation. Places like Tehran are very different to the nonsense you are expected to believe.

Originally Posted by MarilynMonroe

It makes me so fucking angry that this goes on in this day and age. That women are forced to wear hijabs and wear them a certain way or else they are taken by the moral police and beaten to death like Amini was.

I find it quite ironic watching a news anchor on the CBC wearing a hijab presenting the news about protests against the hijab.

Originally Posted by sabang

I doubt the Theocracy will last another generation. Places like Tehran are very different to the nonsense you are expected to believe.

In general the people are fairly relaxed and most are light touch Islam.

The significance that many forget is the regimes push for nuclear weapons, this has been an intractable issue for over 2 decades

Originally Posted by malmomike77

the regimes push for nuclear weapons

I wonder why.





When America has 50 nuclear warheads in the equivalent of Mexico.

^

Doesn't look awfully secret to me

Tactical dump bombs ?

Originally Posted by Edmond

I wonder why.

Liek Helge said - not so secret . . . the B-61 is thought to be on a US base near Büchel




As for:

Originally Posted by malmomike77

Iranians are some of the nicest people in the Muslim world in my experience, their culture and people have been suppressed for over 40 years by these religious zealots.

Agree . . . there are quite a few of them in Malaysia, one of the few countries they can go without a visa. Every single one of them, that I have met, can't stand the turbaned fuckers in charge and all have work visa applications fr the US or EU pending

Originally Posted by panama hat

Liek Helge said

when he can type in English

Egads, a typo!!!!!

Capitalisation is an art form

Originally Posted by malmomike77

when he can type in English

Originally Posted by panama hat

Egads, a typo!!!!!

Capitalisation is an art form

loon.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Liek Helge said

Originally Posted by malmomike77

when he can type in English

Originally Posted by panama hat

Egads, a typo!!!!! Capitalisation is an art form

Originally Posted by malmomike77

loon

proper loon

Are hijab protests ‘the beginning of the end’ for Iran’s regime?

Sadly No.

Originally Posted by pickel

I find it quite ironic watching a news anchor on the CBC wearing a hijab presenting the news about protests against the hijab.

Well at least in Canada, she has a choice.

Originally Posted by katie23

^yes, I agree. It's about the choice - to wear a hijab/ tudong/ turong (as it's called here). If they want tp wear hijab, long trousers & sleeves, then it's their choice. If they want to wear shorts, sleeveless shirts & be hijab-less, it's their choice too.

Yes for sure.. these women don't seem to have a choice which you don't really see much in this world. Even in Saudi they are becoming more open and even allow women to drive now.

Anonymous Persian version

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63188795

Iran's state-run broadcaster was apparently hacked on air Saturday, with a news bulletin interrupted by a protest against the country's leader.


A mask appeared on the screen, followed by an image of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei with flames around him.


The group called itself "Adalat Ali", or Ali's Justice.


It comes after at least three people were shot dead when protesters clashed with security forces in new unrest over the death of Mahsa Amini.


Ms Amini was detained in Tehran by morality police for allegedly not covering her hair properly. The 22-year-old Iranian Kurd died in custody on 16 September, three days after her arrest.


Her death has sparked an unprecedented wave of protest across the country.



Saturday's TV news bulletin was interrupted at about 18:00 local time with images which included Iran's supreme leader with a target on his head, photos of Ms Amini and three other women killed in recent protests.


One of the captions read "join us and rise up", whilst another said "our youths' blood is dripping off your paws".


The interruption lasted only a few seconds before being cut off.


Such displays of rebellion against Ayatollah Ali Khamenei are historically rare, and he wields almost complete power within Iran. But following Ms Amini's death, there has been some open dissent.


Also on Saturday, social media videos emerged which seemed to show female students at a university in Tehran chanting "get lost" during a visit by President Ebrahim Raisi.


Earlier in the day, two people were killed in Sanandaj, including a man shot in his car after he sounded his horn in support of protesters. A video shared online also showed a woman shot in the neck lying unconscious on the ground in Mashhad.



In Sanandaj, a police official said a man had been killed by "counter-revolutionaries", the state-run news agency IRNA reported.

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On Friday, Iran's Forensic Medicine Organisation said Ms Amini had died from multiple organ failure caused by cerebral hypoxia - and not from blows to the head, as her family and protesters contend.


Rights groups say more than 150 people have been killed since the protests in the Islamic Republic began on 17 September.


Shops in several cities have shut in support of the protesters, including in Tehran's bazaar where some set fire to a police kiosk and chased the security forces away.


The protests reaching the bazaar in Tehran will ring alarm bells with Iranian leaders who have counted the merchants as among their supporters.






Media caption,Watch: The protests currently sweeping the country have their roots in changes made after the 1979 revolution

Originally Posted by tomcat

if things get too hot, the government will shoot them down in the streets, go after protester families,

They already are

Originally Posted by tomcat

...nothing will change in Iran as a result of women (and others) protesting...if things get too hot, the government will shoot them down in the streets, go after protester families, etc...all the usual time-tested methods of repression perfected elsewhere...the religious establishment won't relinquish authority without a tooth and claw fight to the end...after all, they have allah on their side...

Couldn't agree more. Only way to rid the country of these fuckwits will have to come from the muzzle of a gun.

And that gun will have to be a soldier's gun if there's really going to be change afoot.