Thread: Why China Will Not Last This Decade - Peter Zeihan

Originally Posted by malmomike77

I don't think it does, it asks for backing when making moves, votes and verbal support but the US is more than capable of engaging any current threat on its own if it needed to.



I'm not sure that's right, its chosen to take a light touch in Africa but the Atlantic?



Through loans and infrastructure development across Africa, Asia and South America its got fingers in a lot of pies and has invested knowing that when times get tough it'll have favours to call in and markets to exploit ......further exploit.

I am not making this up. It is a historical fact that Obama’s prescience recognized the threats in the pacific, but due to the expectations of the peace dividend in the USA, they could not afford to do the job without help from NATO.
The UK had to take on increased naval patrols in the Atlantic, and with support from the French, they increased activity in the gulf, Africa and the Indian Ocean.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

No he didn't. In fact he angered the Pentagon by telling the 7th Fleet to tone it down as far as freedom of navigation exercises were concerned.

I am certain that there is evidence to the contrary. Accept that or don’t. The US has increased defence spending in Japan and Australia to counter the threats in the Pacific. At the same time, their defence spending has been curtailed because of a lack of finance.
They are no longer capable of, or invested in being the worlds policeman. Chinese defence expansion represents a clear and present danger. US naval assets inform this shift in focus.

Originally Posted by OhOh

China is "threatening" which Asian/Pacific countries?

Japan, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Taiwan, Vietnam etc etc . . .

Originally Posted by panama hat

Japan, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Taiwan, Vietnam etc etc . . .

All of them.

Originally Posted by sabang

China is one of the oldest countries on earth. I feel that Youtube reports of it's untimely demise are premature.

I think they mean the CCP

Originally Posted by OhOh

China is "threatening" which Asian/Pacific countries?


The Chinese defence increase is for defending Chinese territory, from any foreign entities attacking it.

China's military expenditure is mostly on defensive systems. China's army, air force and navy.

Although, it does have 4 Jin-class (Type 094) Ballistic Missile Submarines (SSBNs).

Just a moment...


China's global reach missiles are miniscule compared to the other two global powers.

Countries nuclear weapons:

Russia - 6,257, United States - 5,550, China - 350.


It also has a "no first use nuclear policy". Unlike NaGastan.

China backs ‘no first use’ nuclear policy, calls on nations to cut warhead stockpile

Recent statement by former Chinese ambassador for disarmament suggests Beijing should rethink ‘no first use’ policy to counter US military presence in region

Position paper marks 50th anniversary of Beijing being awarded UN seat representing China , over Taipei.

Published: 11:00 pm 22 Oct, 2021
China backs ‘no first use’ nuclear policy, calls on nations to cut warhead stockpile | South China Morning Post

You decided already that, ‘threats in the pacific’ means China.


Massive assumption aside, you should probably consider the whooshing sound in your ears, is a sign of you trying to go off topic again! Nuclear? FFS go away.

No point discussing anything with you. You always assume that you are correct, even when grown ups are discussing something else, you are too quick to jump in with one of your tailor made walls of text. Your rule seems to be, ‘change the subject, so that you can use a ready made c&p’ even if it isn’t the subject being discussed.

Stop being offended by things you don’t wish to be discussed, because they don’t form part of your ​narrative.

Originally Posted by Switch

No point discussing anything with you.

He is a complete waste of space, and I usually just skim over his posts, barely reading them.

Originally Posted by Bonecollector

I think they mean the CCP

Of course, China will always be China in one for or another.

Originally Posted by bsnub

I usually just skim over his posts, barely reading them.

Doesn't everyone . . .

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

And I'm certain he angered the Pentagon by telling them not to antagonise the chinkies.

It's a matter of record.

NATO has absolutely fuck all to do with US policy in the Pacific, even though you're trying to establish some kind of tenuous link.

Yes, other countries that depend on trade from that area have stuck their oar in, so to speak, but that is nothing to do with NATO.

It’s a simple enough connection to understand. The US can no longer police the worlds oceans. NATO is expected to take up positions that the US can longer prioritise, especially in the Atlantic. The UK and French navies routinely patrol these areas anyway.
The US sees the threat from the Pacific Ocean as a higher priority. The deployment of US and NATO blue water assets is a fairly obvious clue.

Originally Posted by DrWilly

Japan, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Taiwan, Vietnam etc etc . . .

China has good economic ties with all the countries you name, plus many others, hardly threatening.

A list of the expot trade partners in the Indian and Pacific oceans:

China Exports By Country

China Exports By Country	Value	Year
Japan	$165.82B	2021
South Korea	$148.85B	2021
Vietnam	$137.90B	2021
India	$97.51B	2021
Malaysia	$78.70B	2021
Thailand	$69.36B	2021
Russia	$67.55B	2021
Australia	$66.38B	2021
Indonesia	$60.65B	2021
Philippines	$57.31B	2021
Singapore	$55.22B	2021
Brazil	$53.61B	2021
Canada	$51.51B	2021
Chile	$26.29B	2021
Pakistan	$24.24B	2021
South Africa	$21.12B	2021
Colombia	$14.35B	2021
Peru	$13.30B	2021
Cambodia	$11.57B	2021
Myanmar	$10.53B	2021
Panama	$10.18B	2021
New Zealand	$8.56B	2021
Iran	$8.28B	2021
Tanzania	$6.14B	2021
Ecuador	$5.48B	2021
Sri Lanka	$5.25B	2021

Originally Posted by OhOh

China has

Blah blah blah. Try sticking to the topic for once.

Originally Posted by OhOh

China is "threatening" Asian/Pacific countries

Originally Posted by OhOh

China has good economic ties with all the countries you name, plus many others, hardly threatening.

Originally Posted by OhOh

China has good economic ties with all the countries you name, plus many others, hardly threatening.

A list of the expot trade partners in the Indian and Pacific oceans:

China Exports By Country

China Exports By Country	Value	Year
Japan	$165.82B	2021
South Korea	$148.85B	2021
Vietnam	$137.90B	2021
India	$97.51B	2021
Malaysia	$78.70B	2021
Thailand	$69.36B	2021
Russia	$67.55B	2021
Australia	$66.38B	2021
Indonesia	$60.65B	2021
Philippines	$57.31B	2021
Singapore	$55.22B	2021
Brazil	$53.61B	2021
Canada	$51.51B	2021
Chile	$26.29B	2021
Pakistan	$24.24B	2021
South Africa	$21.12B	2021
Colombia	$14.35B	2021
Peru	$13.30B	2021
Cambodia	$11.57B	2021
Myanmar	$10.53B	2021
Panama	$10.18B	2021
New Zealand	$8.56B	2021
Iran	$8.28B	2021
Tanzania	$6.14B	2021
Ecuador	$5.48B	2021
Sri Lanka	$5.25B	2021

Few if any of those South American countries represent pacific nations. The majority of Asian countries remain in dispute with China over incursions and territorial claims in the South China Sea. Despite a ruling supporting those nations, made by an independent, international maritime agency, which China refuses to recognize!

My original statement:

Originally Posted by OhOh

China is "threatening" which Asian/Pacific countries?

Your reply:

Originally Posted by Switch

Few if any of those South American countries represent pacific nations.

Geography and economics not your topic, it seems.

Fact 1., the list I provided, are all abutting the Indian Ocean or abutting the Pacific Ocean coast of North and South America.

Fact 2., the list I provided, all have trade relations with China.

Hence, Indian Ocean or Pacific Ocean nations, with trade relations with China.

I illuminate the fact that countries that threaten each other generally, not good for business, do not "Threaten each other", just the opposite.

If you wish to provide your own list of Indian Ocean and Pacific Ocean countries, that is your prerogative. Include the Persian Gulf, Red Sea countries if you wish.

Brazil is on neither the Indian nor Pacific Oceans.

Originally Posted by misskit

Brazil is on neither the Indian nor Pacific Oceans.

Another Oh No classic then.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Geography and economics not your topic, it seems.

Oh dear . . . the point was China posing a threat, not economic relations. You fail twice

Originally Posted by misskit

Brazil is on neither the Indian nor Pacific Oceans.

Correct, my apologies.

Everyone but the wanketeers know that the chinkies want to suck up everything they can from any country they can, regardless of the impact on the populations thereof.

They are the worst kind of parasites.

Originally Posted by OhOh

My original statement:

Your reply:


Geography and economics not your topic, it seems.

Fact 1., the list I provided, are all abutting the Indian Ocean or abutting the Pacific Ocean coast of North and South America.

Fact 2., the list I provided, all have trade relations with China.

Hence, Indian Ocean or Pacific Ocean nations, with trade relations with China.

I illuminate the fact that countries that threaten each other generally, not good for business, do not "Threaten each other", just the opposite.

If you wish to provide your own list of Indian Ocean and Pacific Ocean countries, that is your prerogative. Include the Persian Gulf, Red Sea countries if you wish.

You know full well that the issue has nothing to do with trade or economics. You are the only one OFF TOPIC, yet again. The question you avoid, quite deliberately, is the Chines interference with Asian countries where a very long running dispute continues ove Chinese misconduct in parts of the pacific contested by neighbouring countries. A dispute that was long ago found against Chinese behaviour in the South China Sea.

Stop moving the goalposts because it doesn’t fit your c&p narrative, yet again! Every time you do it, you look even more stupid than you did the last time!

Nothing that is said will OhWoe change his obfuscation - there's a Klongdick and OhWoe thread but it seem underutilised. Nothing wrong with veering off every now and then but the constant shifting is tiresome . . . and that goes for Backspit and sabang as well

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