Thread: Catholic? Devoted or will you Disavow your evil doctrine?

Fuck the Catholic church. That whole institution should have been disbanded and its assets seized to compensate the victims of these odious paedophiles.

Henry VIII circa 1527

Originally Posted by Iceman123

Whilst I do not agree with it being a disgusting “faith” I was brought up Catholic.
I rejected the faith at 15 years of age in favour of atheism.

I personally never witnessed, nor heard of any sexual abuses whilst growing up.

Ohhh, well if you didn't see it, obviously it never fucking happened then.

Do all Catholics disgust you?

ANY that defend or even tolerate the liars and the criminals.

Like Popes.

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I have seen both sides of Catholicism. Like other faiths, there are always a few good people who I see as being poorly led, but very well intentioned.

My first ex wife was a catholic, and she is still riddled with guilt because of it.

Its taken me some time to understand and appreciate atheism. I’m a slow learner.

Originally Posted by Switch

My first ex wife was a catholic, and she is still riddled with guilt because of it.

I don't really buy this Catholic Guilt cliche.

Why would Catholics feel more guilty about any given transgression than members of any other Christian denomination?

Catholics do confession as a ritual which other denominations do not. But why would confession make you feel more guilty?

I would imagine that internal feelings of guilt would be stronger in an individual who has not owned up to their sins to whatever deity they seek to propitiate, and sought forgiveness and penance.

We had great fun at confession as kids since the church had a hi-tech confessional which had a green light outside to indicate it was vacant. When somebody went in to the booth to confess and knelt on the kneeling pad the light would change to red.

At school we would all go to the church to confess once a term as a group lined up in the pews. Once called upon to enter the booth the game was to bounce up and down on the kneeling pad to get the light to flash green and red and green again much to the amusement of one's fellow classmates. The teacher could not admonish you until you got out since confession is a private sacrament.

The confession in Godfather Part III was one of the great scenes from the trilogy.

It’s not about confession, it’s about original sin. All people, according to Catholic doctrine are born sinful. In other words everyone is guilty until they confess their sins and embrace the Catholic god or burn in the fires or hell forever.

This doctrine then created the problem of poor little babies who died prematurely or during birth. They were sinful and therefore could not go to heaven.

Thus the catholics invented purgatory, a half way house between heaven and hell, where relatives could pray (or buy indulgences - there’s another genius invention) until the poor little sinful, guilty babies could have their sins forgiven and ascend to heaven.

Originally Posted by Switch

I believe in free will,

So you aren't a real athiest then.

Hush boy, the grown ups are talking

Originally Posted by DrWilly

Hush boy, the grown ups are talking

The confused pseudo athiests who believe in free will and still carry around a Christian worldview without realizing it are taking.

Originally Posted by Backspin

The confused pseudo athiests who believe in free will and still carry around a Christian worldview without realizing it are taking.

Try again, but using simple English this time.

Originally Posted by Backspin

So you aren't a real athiest then.

You are the last person on earth who should be making statements that you can’t possibly understand, about people you don’t even know.

Even as an atheist, I can still have some empathy for morons like you.

Originally Posted by Switch

You are the last person on earth who should be making statements that you can’t possibly understand, about people you don’t even know.

That never stopped him before.

Originally Posted by Backspin

confused

Yes, we know. Get back to work . . .

Originally Posted by reinvented

Lapsed Catholic here
it has its uses
many worse options

would never defend the church, they dont need my help

similar to martial arts, its about the practitioner, not the system in my opinion

So you didn't watch this then?



I suggest you do.

Originally Posted by Cujo

So you didn't watch this then?



I suggest you do.

You could say the same thing about the British empire . Or Islam

Originally Posted by Backspin

You could say the same thing about the British empire . Or Islam

Maybe, but we're not. In this thread the topic is the evil that is catholic.

Originally Posted by DrWilly

It’s not about confession, it’s about original sin.

All religions have relics of doctrine that have been relegated to the embarrassing cupboard of antiquity.

I went to Catholic primary and secondary schools and Mass every Sunday 40 years ago. I do not recall any teacher or priest ever making reference to the admittedly very odd doctrine of original sin.

Originally Posted by DrWilly

Thus the catholics invented purgatory

Purgatory was certainly a thing but it was marketed to us as a compromise between being roasted for all eternity and going straight to the heavenly pearlies. i.e. you get punished for whatever sins you indulged in but forgiveness will eventually be yours.

It does vaguely appeal to my primal primate instinct for justice and vengeance at a certain level. A bit like Buddhist Karma but dealt out in the afterlife rather than the next life.

^
Catholiscism invented Limbo, this was where all children went if they died prior to Baptism. Limbo was a part of Hell, just not so bad.

Originally Posted by Looper

Purgatory was certainly a thing but it was marketed to us as a compromise between being roasted for all eternity and going straight to the heavenly pearlies. i.e. you get punished for whatever sins you indulged in but forgiveness will eventually be yours.

That's how I know it to be portrayed as well.

Originally Posted by Looper

All religions have relics of doctrine that have been relegated to the embarrassing cupboard of antiquity.

Original sin, and therefore Catholic guilt and the infalliblity of the pope as God's representative on earth underpin the entire basis of Catholicism.

Limbo or purgatory are the same thing, and have been quietly passed aside along with the indulgences of the. Middle ages that helped create Church wealth.

Originally Posted by DrWilly

Limbo or purgatory are the same thing, and have been quietly passed aside along with the indulgences of the. Middle ages that helped create Church wealth.

Nope they are different and purgatory still exists.

Didn'''t the Catholic Church Do Away with Purgatory? - The Catholic Company(R)

Originally Posted by Switch

You are the last person on earth who should be making statements that you can’t possibly understand, about people you don’t even know.

Even as an atheist, I can still have some empathy for morons like you.

You don't know what you are talking about. If you don't believe in free will, you should have more empathy. Not less.

Originally Posted by Backspin

You don't know what you are talking about. If you don't believe in free will, you should have more empathy. Not less.

Listen very carefully dumbo.
I believe in free will. (Second time you have been told).
I am an Atheist. (Second or third time you have been told).

Given free will is a choice for those who are sufficiently educated, I will be the one who decides if you deserve any empathy, and how much you get. This is not your choice, it’s mine. You are too immature to draw such conclusions, let alone understand the consequences .

When a young man’s balls drop, and his voice deepens, is usually the end of adolescence, and the start of growing up. I’m not convinced you have got that far yet.

Stupid boy.

Originally Posted by Iceman123

Nope they are different and purgatory still exists.

Didn'''t the Catholic Church Do Away with Purgatory? - The Catholic Company(R)

I stand corrected. Thank you.