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    Still, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence is conducting a risk assessment – not a damage assessment – of Trump’s unauthorized retention of classified documents, signaling that at least for now, it believes the material has not otherwise been compromised.



    they might want to reconsider that assessment now. 90 empty folders says otherwise.

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    Empty cover folders aren't a thing. They're literally just to cover the documents like those spread on the floor in that picture when walking around with them, so there's always a few extra laying around. But 48.....that's a lot.

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    The documents are registered so they can know what is missing with or without cover folders.

    Empty covers could mean some of the content is already in the hands of unauthorized people. That’s the worrisome part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    he documents are registered so they can know what is missing with or without cover folders.
    You're right, and right now there's tons of people comparing sign out to sign in logs. Soon, we'll be hearing "this document was signed out to the office of the president, but there's no record of its return and it wasn't in the recovered documentation."
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    This is just wrong.

    A federal judge has granted Donald Trump’s request to have a “special master” appointed to review documents the FBI seized from his Mar-a-Lago estate that could be subject to privilege protections in the investigation into unauthorized retention of government secrets.


    The order from the US district court judge Aileen Cannon, a Trump appointee, also temporarily barred the justice department from reviewing the documents for its criminal inquiry until the special master completes its work, in a decision that marked a procedural victory for the former president.


    FILE PHOTO: An aerial view of former U.S. President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago home in Palm Beach<br>FILE PHOTO: An aerial view of former U.S. President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago home after Trump said that FBI agents searched it, in Palm Beach, Florida, U.S. August 15, 2022. REUTERS/Marco Bello//File Photo


    Cannon wrote in her 24-page ruling, however, that the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) could continue to review the seized materials for its separate inquiry into whether Trump’s retention of documents with classified markings at Mar-a-Lago risked national security.
    Judge grants Trump’s request for special master to handle seized documents | Donald Trump | The Guardian

    Is that judge retarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Not if the Feds literally took every document they could get their hands on.

    Baldy orange cunto is entitled to due process the same as anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Baldy orange cunto is entitled to due process the same as anyone else.
    Exactly so, and anyone else would have had their request denied for a special master. The judge decided because the harm to his reputation could be harmed and the material was possibly so important that a special master was required. What the judge didn't mention is that every single person who has had a search like this has had their reputation harmed and could argue the material was important to them in some way. She made the former president "special", which isn't cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Exactly so, and anyone else would have had their request denied for a special master. The judge decided because the harm to his reputation could be harmed and the material was possibly so important that a special master was required. What the judge didn't mention is that every single person who has had a search like this has had their reputation harmed and could argue the material was important to them in some way. She made the former president "special", which isn't cool.
    He's a former president. That makes him "special", even if he is also "special needs".

    There's also the fact that there may be paperwork involved that does not relate to this case, but does relate to other criminal investigations against him.

    This actually helps the DoJ, because if they do subpoena anything later that they might have picked up by mistake but returned, there is less chance of it being excluded from evidence in ongoing investigations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    He's a former president. That makes him "special", even if he is also "special needs".
    How so? He's more equal before the law than me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    How so? He's more equal before the law than me?
    That depends. Have the FBI raided your home to retrieve classified documents to which you had access but shouldn't have taken home, and did they take your personal documents in the process while you are facing numerous criminal investigations?

    Or are you just being stupidly obtuse?

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    When I employed any new staff they had to sign a legal binding agreement TO NOT remove any technical documents, drawings and other information including not to disclose to any other party any technical date learned when in my employ.

    Failure to abide by the terms and conditions of that NDA could have led to prison time.

    Obviously no NDA signing is necessary for the POTUS as if there were Trump would already be in Prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Not if the Feds literally took every document they could get their hands on.

    Baldy orange cunto is entitled to due process the same as anyone else.
    So anyone who has their home searched and stolen goods retrieved is entitled to a special master in case they took something legitimate that was mixed up with the stolen goods?
    Is that what you're saying?
    You need to watch the video I posted above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    That depends. Have the FBI raided your home to retrieve classified documents to which you had access but shouldn't have taken home, and did they take your personal documents in the process while you are facing numerous criminal investigations?
    No, I haven't, but other people have and they weren't entitled to a special master. Perhaps its not me being obtuse. Just because your golf club has been searched doesn't automatically entitle you to a special master.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    So anyone who has their home searched and stolen goods retrieved is entitled to a special master in case they took something legitimate that was mixed up with the stolen goods?
    Is that what you're saying?
    You need to watch the video I posted above.
    Everyone is entitled to ask, but not everyone is going to get granted.

    And no, I don't want to watch your stupid video from some MSNBC harpy. They're as nuts as Fox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Everyone is entitled to ask, but not everyone is going to get granted.

    And no, I don't want to watch your stupid video from some MSNBC harpy. They're as nuts as Fox.
    They're not spouting opinions in that clip but presenting facts and clear arguments.
    You should keep an open mind.
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    Jesus. Even Bill Barr says the ruling to allow a special master is fucked up.

    The simple fact is, any other person in America would be arguing this case in an orange jumpsuit while wearing shackles.

    Possible lawyer client documents versus national security regarding top secret nuclear documents. Give me a break.

    The appeals court is stacked 6/5 with trump appointies. The supreme court is 6/3.

    America is fucked.

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    DOJ has appealed the ruling.

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    Other than delaying things, I don't see the issue. If it's really just because the Democrats are trying to rush the case through before the mid-terms then baldy orange cunto is right to say it's politically motivated.

    The DoJ has already said it has found materials covered by attorney-client privilege, and it wanted to be the one that gets to decide what those are.

    Were I a defendant, I wouldn't be too happy about that.

    As much as I loathe the bald orange turd, this is the system and it isn't worth crying about. It would never have happened if all those c**ts hadn't voted Republican and the Democrats had taken their heads out of their arse.

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    U.S. reveals more classified records may be missing in Trump probe

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) -Former U.S. President Donald Trump's team may not have returned all the classified records removed from the White House at the end of his presidency even after an FBI search of his home, U.S. prosecutors warned on Thursday, calling it a potential national security risk that needs investigation.


    That revelation came in a Justice Department court filing asking U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon to let it continue reviewing about 100 classified records seized by the FBI at Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate while it investigates whether classified documents were illegally removed from the White House and improperly stored there.


    Trump is under investigation for retaining government records, some of which were marked as highly classified, at the resort in Palm Beach, Florida, his home after leaving office in January 2021.


    The 100 documents represent a fraction of the more than 11,000 records and photographs seized, most of which the government said Trump may review because they are not classified.

    "This motion is limited to ... the seized classified records because those aspects of the order will cause the most immediate and serious harms to the government and the public," the department said in its court filing.


    The prosecutors also asked the judge not to allow an independent arbiter, called a "special master," to review classified materials seized from Trump's property.


    Trump, in a posting on his Truth Social platform, described the request as a waste of money.


    The Justice Department on Thursday suggested there could be more classified records that were removed from the Trump White House that investigators have not yet located. This revelation comes about a week after the Justice Department released a detailed list of property seized from Trump's home which showed the FBI located 48 empty folders labeled as classified and another 42 which indicated they should be returned to a staff secretary or military aide.


    Legal experts were perplexed as to why the folders were empty, and it was not clear whether records were missing.


    "Without a stay, the government and the public will also suffer irreparable harm from the undue delay to the criminal investigation," prosecutors wrote.


    "The injunction against using classified records in the criminal investigation could impede efforts to identify the existence of any additional classified records that are not being properly stored - which itself presents the potential for ongoing risk to national security," they added.


    READY TO APPEAL


    Prosecutors asked Cannon for a ruling by Sept. 15. If she denies their request, they intend to file an appeal to the Atlanta-based 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, where six of the 11 active judges are Trump appointees.


    In an order on Thursday evening, Cannon gave Trump's lawyer's until Monday morning to respond to the government's request.


    Cannon, also a Trump appointee, on Monday ordered prosecutors to pause reviewing the more than 11,000 recovered records while a special master is appointed to review the material.


    The Justice Department said it will on Friday provide the court a list of possible special master candidates in a joint filing with Trump's attorneys, as Cannon has requested.


    The Justice Department is also investigating possible obstruction of justice, after it uncovered evidence showing that records may have been removed or concealed from the FBI when it sent agents to Trump's home in June to try to recover all classified documents through a grand jury subpoena.


    Cannon granted Trump's request for a special master, despite prosecutors' objections.


    The judge said the special master will review documents not just covered by attorney-client privilege, but any records possibly covered by executive privilege as well. Executive privilege is a legal doctrine that can shield some presidential records from disclosure.


    The Justice Department has challenged the logic of using executive privilege because Trump does not own the records and is no longer president. Cannon's reasoning has also been criticized by Democratic and Republican legal experts.


    "No potential assertion of executive privilege could justify restricting the executive branch's review and use of the classified records at issue here," the Justice Department wrote in its Thursday filing.


    In Cannon's Monday order, she allowed U.S. intelligence officials to review all of the seized materials as part of their ongoing national security damage assessment.


    But the Justice Department said there is no way to wall off the criminal investigation and the national security review.


    "The ongoing Intelligence Community classification review and assessment are closely interconnected with — and cannot be readily separated from—areas of inquiry of DOJ’s and the FBI’s ongoing criminal investigation," the prosecutors said.


    Some legal experts on Thursday lauded the Justice Department's approach to Cannon's order, saying it carefully preserves its right to appeal broader concerns about a special master appointment, while at the same time asking Cannon for a much narrower solution for bigger concerns.


    "I think the government has embarked on a shrewd tactical strategy," said David Laufman, an attorney who previously served as chief of the department's counterintelligence section.


    He said the department's legal strategy takes "a scalpel" to Cannon's order by seeking immediate relief from its worst parts, while still preserving its right to appeal in the future.


    "They are focusing on what is most critical and most time-sensitive, both with respect to protecting the national security interests of the United States and with conducting follow-up investigative action," he said.

    U.S. reveals more classified records may be missing in Trump probe

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    WATCH: Trump Boards Plane Being Loaded With Parade of Comically Heavy File Boxes – 3 DAYS After Feds Asked About Missing Docs

    Former President Donald Trump can be seen boarding a plane along with a parade of groaningly heavy file boxes in a resurfaced video that was taken 3 days after the federal government contacted Trump about missing documents.


    Trump is currently under multiple investigations that could result in criminal charges, including Justice Department probes into his mishandling of classified information under the Espionage Act and his conduct surrounding the January 6 insurrection, and a Fulton County probe of election interference.

    But it’s the documents seized during the FBI search of Mar-a-Lago that have dominated news coverage since the raid. Concern has continued to mount with every bombshell revelation, like the court filing that showed that the evidence seized from Mar-a-Lago contained “43 Empty Folders with ‘CLASSIFIED’ Banners” and a total of 48 empty folders with “classified” markings.


    Another report said that nuclear secrets of an unidentified country were among the seized documents.On Saturday morning, Meidas Touch posted an intriguing video from last year, writing “Video from May 8, 2021 shows Trump boarding a jet from Florida to Bedminster with multiple boxes bearing a strong resemblance to boxes of top secret materials found at Mar-a-Lago. On May 6, NARA had contacted Trump’s team saying documents were missing and may be at Mar-a-Lago.”

    They also posted a link to a timeline of the investigation, which shows that the government contacted Team Trump about the missing papers three days before the video was taken:


    May 6: National Archives and Records Administration contacts Trump’s team to say some high-profile presidential documents appear to be missing. “We know things are very chaotic, as they always are in the course of a one-term transition,” Gary Stern, the agency’s chief counsel writes to Trump lawyers. “But it is absolutely necessary that we obtain and account for all presidential records.”


    The video is from a May 9 Daily Mail report entitled “Trump jets out of Florida to spend the summer at his Bedminster golf course in New Jersey to escape the heat and plan 2024 election after saying Mother’s Day goodbye to Melania and Barron at Mar-a-Lago” by Lauren Fruen and Rob Crilly.

    VIDEO HERE

    Trump Boards Plane With File Boxes - After Missing Docs Call

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    Well it seems to me the next step must be to search Bedminster.

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    Trump steals nuclear secrets.-266698_768_rgb-jpg

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    Fox News host Sean Hannity sits down with former President Trump in an exclusive interview to discuss the Mar-a-Lago raid and the two-tiered system of justice.




    EDIT ...

    Just watching it, he is so full of shit.

    @ the 13.45 mark he talks about 'declassifying documents be 'even by thinking about it' ... QUOTE ...
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    ^^ "FBI was looking for Clinton emails in Mar-a-lago. " What a fruit-cake!

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