You think the 'clueless idiots' of Westminster were in opposition previously.
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You are so 'one-eyed' it's quite astounding.
And you're spending an awfully long time appraising Starmer's appearance.
Navy man, were you?
You think the 'clueless idiots' of Westminster were in opposition previously.
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You are so 'one-eyed' it's quite astounding.
And you're spending an awfully long time appraising Starmer's appearance.
Navy man, were you?
Classic socialist response for one so invested in third world comforts!Quote:
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You were warned that a group of Uni interns would have little experience of holding ministerial office, but you rejected that idea. Whenever a problem arises, they call in a ‘tsar’ with limited experience of muddy waters. Enter one Alan Milburn!
Any other political lightweights in the wings?
Political life in the UK is like anywhere else in the world. It’s cyclic. How long will it take Sir Kier to screw things up?
It is utterly farcical that numpt's new hobby horse is the story of a single mother who bought her own council property who has been completely exonerated by a cross-party enquiry of any wrongdoing.
In the context of the horrendous cost of Liz Truss's shenanigans, Boris's utterly despicable conduct and the totally corrupt VIP lane for PPE supplies it's just a sick joke.
^^oh and your pathetic attempt at shit stirring on the US elections thread yesterday won't be easy to forget.
It's what you are.
A clueless shit stirrer.
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^Third world exile goes off topic to avoid a question. Expect nothing less from someone who tells lies.:)
Firstly apologies for the typos etc, phone fingers
I am well aware of the mess the Tories made of things, i have been living it. Labour in their first 100 days are making a fukin pigs ear of things, just how much remains to be seen at the end of Oct.Quote:
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One thing i will say is that the Treasury is largely responsible for the poor economic growth, they are the ones forcing sucessive chancellors to focus on the stupid rule of debt falling within the timeframe of a parilament. Its hamstrung the Govt and led to cuts in public service and lack of strategic investment.
It staggers me that Labour are considering dusting off PFIs again FFS. The idea that its better to outsource borrowing for inftrastructure or stratgetic investment to a private institution for 25 years with falling service provisiona in the final 6 years of a contract and at a borrowing rate far higher than the Govt is able to secure is utter madness but here we are again.
I said before, one of the biggest changes needed is to tear up this ridiculous debt rule and invest in the future to addrees engergy, food, health and infrastructure security underpinned by long term strategy but this is impossible with the fukin treasury effectively tying one hand behind the Govts back. Its madness and Keir and Rachel don't seem to have the appetite to take the Treasury on, they are defaqo in charge and it doesn't matter who the public vote into Govt.
I had quite a bit of respect for Rachel Reeves prior to coming into power in July but her moves so far are pretty amateur, as already mentioned her backing herself into a hole over the Income Tax, NI and VAT but more than that its this slavish mantra about the so called £22Bn black hole.
Labour has steadfastly refused to explain it but Keir the Cvnt keeps trotting it out with Reeve obviously told to do likewise. Well the FT has put in a Freedom of Information request and the Treasury has refused to share details on how this figure Labour keeps trotting out has been calculated, worse still in its response the Treasury has stated it won't share its calc as they are still being checked FFS yet Labour elected on a mantra of grown up politics is still trotting out this unsustantiated number
UK Treasury refuses to disclose key details of £22bn fiscal ‘black hole’
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Champagne socialists.
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Sir Keir Starmer has received substantially more freebies than any other MP since becoming Labour leader, Sky News can reveal.
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Since December 2019, he received £107,145 in gifts, benefits, and hospitality - a specific category in parliament's register of MPs' interests.
The next highest in the league table is the Commons leader Lucy Powell on £40,289, while the prime minister received gifts roughly equivalent to the next five MPs combined.
^ he's said he sees nothing wrong with it and will continue to accept these gifts and hospitality. I guess things smell different depending on what side of the house you sit. A real man of the people.
Of course we know where the real power lies, Sue Gray. I find it staggering that this woman who tore the tories a new one as the chair of the investigation into the COVID parties etc was then allowed to merrily march into a senior position in Labour, no conflict of interest here nothing to see. The fact is that woman is a disgrace, she's handed out Civil Service appointments to doners and Labour activitist, given the keys to Downing Street to Lord Ali for his contributions to Keirs wardrobe and his Mrs shopping assistant.....
Its all starting to feel a bit like the Tory Govt Labour have shouted at for corruption for the last 5 years.
Can't mix with the riff raff can he.
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Sir Keir Starmer has insisted it would "cost the taxpayer a fortune" if he were to watch Arsenal from the stands after it emerged he had accepted thousands of pounds worth of free football tickets.
The prime minister has faced criticism after Sky News' Westminster Accounts project revealed he had received two-and-a-half times more gifts and hospitality than any other MP, totalling £107,145, since December 2019.
Sir Keir declared £12,588 of gifts from the Premier League; including four Taylor Swift tickets during the election campaign worth £4,000; two Euros finals tickets worth £1,628; and numerous tickets spanning several Arsenal matches adding up to well over £6,000.
Socialism means never having to say you’re sorry
In Opposition, Keir Starmer liked to preach about Tory avarice.
Meanwhile, he takes every freebie going
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19 September 2024 4:52pm
‘When the president does it, that means it’s not illegal.” So said ex-president Richard Nixon. Perhaps he has inspired Keir Starmer. “When Labour does it, it’s not immoral.”
We know now the simple fact that Sir Keir has taken more gifts than any other MP. Still it’s worth looking at the detail on Parliament’s website. The expensive hospitality tickets at half the Premier League grounds in England. The free holiday. The National Theatre tickets. The “Jingle Bell Ball”, whatever that is. The specs that cost the same as a family’s annual holiday. The “work clothing”, as it is delicately described – perhaps he was hoping we would think they were overalls for this horny-handed son of a toiling toolmaker?
Clearly Sir Keir agrees with “Big Bill” Haywood, the American union leader and Soviet sympathiser, who said of his own lifestyle “Nothing’s too good for the working class.”
It’s true we didn’t know quite what to expect from Labour in government, but one thing I did think we’d get was puritanism. A stern, moralising, we-know-best policy, that familiar sheer socialist oddness, veganism, anti-smoking, compulsory health checks in the office, all administered by the kind of people who actually enjoy sorting their rubbish and think everyone else should too.
That curious earnestness and detachment from ordinary pleasures, that belief that the right public policy can control human nature, which George Orwell mocked in the 1930s and John Betjeman parodied in his poem Huxley Hall in the 1950s, “the deep depression of this bright hygienic hell”, the “free thinker” sitting in some bleak nameless new town waiting for his weekly lecture on “sex and civics”.
Well it’s true that most of us are going to get exactly that treatment. Wes “Savonarola” Streeting is clear we must all give up our pleasures and learn to live within the stern dictates of the NHS. Bridget Phillipson will force on us her new history-free, diversity-rich, socially conscious national curriculum. Cold Sir Keir’s atheism is fine, but silently praying near an abortion clinic will land you in court.
But it doesn’t look like the PM and his team are going to live like that. Sue Gray gets the highest ever salary for a special adviser. Labour donors and political cronies are shoehorned in on the public purse. Lord Alli gives Angela Rayner a holiday in New York. And for proud Sir Keir at the top of this merry band of brothers, let the free football and the Taylor Swift tickets roll.
Some Labour ministers can see how all this comes across, to judge by their gritted teeth and flashes of anger this week. I don’t blame them. Perhaps they can see it doesn’t look good when pensioners face the winter cold while a Niagara of public cash pours out to the brothers in Aslef. Perhaps they don’t like it when haughty Sir Keir says he needs VIP treatment at the football to avoid mixing with the hoi polloi in the cheap(ish) seats? Maybe some still have some residual socialist conscience, some distant echo of Welsh valley non-conformism, some folk memory of Stafford Cripps and austerity under Attlee?
Or perhaps they remember Harold Wilson’s comment that “the Labour Party is a moral crusade or it is nothing”.
Even Sir Keir quotes this from time to time, though perhaps less so recently. In 2021 he said, “Our own moral crusade must be to address the inequalities and injustices that this crisis has so brutally exposed.” Is that the injustice in allocating the hospitality boxes at Arsenal?
It’s this self image that is the problem. The truth is that Labour politicians think they are good people because their cause is just. So they can safely be exposed to temptations that would lead astray lesser, fragile, mortals such as members of the Conservative Party. How can you mere voters suspect such good people as us of having impure motives? Cut us some slack. Don’t you realise we’re trying to build the New Jerusalem here?
Not every crusade, of course, reached Jerusalem. The Fourth Crusade, in 1204, got no further than Constantinople, sacked it, and took most of the gold and the art home to their leaders’ palaces. Back in Europe, they couldn’t understand what they’d done wrong. Perhaps that’s the sort of crusade Sir Keir sees himself leading?
Until July 4, Starmer couldn’t see a government minister without accusing them of venality. Labour repeatedly accused the Tory mayor of Tees Valley, Ben Houchen, of corruption on the basis of the most flimsy evidence. But now it has changed its tune. The deep deep silence of government prevails. Why answer questions from the little people? After all, we are the masters now.
It won’t do. High and mighty Sir Keir needs to show some humility and change his and his team’s behaviour. Moralising Leftist politics doesn’t excuse taking for free what others must pay for. Everyone is subject to temptation, even socialists. Human nature doesn’t change.
Betjeman’s narrator in Huxley Hall ends his reflections:
“Not my vegetarian dinner, not my lime-juice minus gin,
“Quite can drown a faint conviction that we may be born in Sin.”
Think on it, Sir Keir.
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in starmer's case the payroll from donors is extreme, and suggesting that £2000 plus suits are work clothes is total bullshit, in fact HMRC have already ruled that suits cannot be considered as work clothes and are definitely not tax deductible so starmer must pay for a benefit in kind. it still means he's getting virtual freebies whilst bleating that every one else must suffer.
hypocrisy of the highest order is being exposed only a few weeks into his administration, after he spent the last two years berating the tories for much less "graft".
and let’s not forget ‘sir’ kier’s deeply corrupt and (now, since as prime minister he is attacking pensioners, totally hypocritical) personal 2013 act of parliament which has no other purpose but to make his own personal pension tax-free?
here’s the official record:
The Pensions Increase (Pension Scheme for Keir Starmer QC) Regulations 2013 .
you couldn’t make it up, their hypocrisy is world class, and as churchill so rightly said,
socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
^ You bleating on about socialism is getting tiring. The Tories were heading too far to the right. Kier Starmer is bringing the country back towards the centre.
It's going to take time to get the economy under control following the diabolical decisions made under the Tory Government.
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The Tories were heading too far to the right.
their left leaning policies towards immigration, woke, taxation and net zero, their inability to "do brexit" properly combined with their blanking of the right wing of the party are the reasons many tory voters defected to the reform uk party and the "new" boris inspired red wall tories reverted back to labour or the silly libdems.
they were never right wing enough to retain their core support and failed to fulfil the expectations of the red wall.
only badenoch can save them now.
^ yep. The whole reason Reform emerged and split the vote in Tory seats was in reaction to the perception the Tories had forgotten their right of centre voters
^ && ^^ pandering to the likes of you two was one of the main reasons the Tories self destructed.
If they could bring Enoch back to life, they certainly would.
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Ahhh poor things :)
PM will no longer accept donations to pay for clothes
Sir Keir Starmer, Deputy Prime Minister Angela Rayner and Chancellor Rachel Reeves will not accept any further donations for clothing after a row over gifts, a Downing Street source has said.
The prime minister has faced growing criticism after it emerged he had received more than £16,000 for work clothing and spectacles for him, and further donations for his wife, from Labour peer Waheed Alli.
The Financial Times has reported, external that Rayner and Reeves declared thousands of pounds in work clothing from wealthy donors as general office support.
The prime minister has maintained he has always followed the rules on donations.
Labour is trying to draw a line under the controversy as the party heads to Liverpool for its first annual conference since its landslide general election victory in July.
Rayner will open the event on Sunday and, in comments ahead of her speech, she spoke of "restoring trust in politics" as she vowed to make "irreversible" changes to devolution laws to ensure Northerners are no longer "dictated" to by Whitehall.
On Thursday, former deputy Labour leader Baroness Harman told BBC Newsnight that the prime minister having clothes and spectacles paid for "feels a bit like a misstep because most people have to buy their own clothes to go to work and the prime minister is not low paid".
The relationship between the Labour’s leadership and Lord Alli, a wealthy donor made head of party fundraising, has come under renewed scrutiny since it was revealed earlier this week that Sir Keir failed to declare £5,000 in donations for clothing for his wife, Lady Victoria Starmer.
The Conservatives asked Parliamentary Standards Commissioner Daniel Greenberg to investigate why gifts for a personal shopper and clothing alterations were not declared in the MPs' register, but no investigation was launched.
Sir Keir is one of seven cabinet ministers who received donations and gifts from Lord Alli in the lead-up to the general election.
On Friday, the Financial Times reported a £3,550 donation to Rayner by Lord Alli registered as “to support me in my capacity as deputy leader of the Labour party” was for clothing.
In addition, the paper said that Reeves received £7,500 from a donor, Juliet Rosenfeld, in four instalments from January 2023 to May 2024, which it said was used to pay for clothing.
'Very bad look'
The Conservatives said Labour were "pure hypocrites".
A Tory spokesperson said: "Keir Starmer and his top team have accepted thousands of pounds in freebie clothes whilst simultaneously consigning 10 million pensioners to a cold and hard winter.
"And not only have they loaded up on freebies whilst lecturing the public about integrity, morality, and tough choices - they also appear to have continuously failed to properly register these crony gifts."
Tory MP Sir Bernard Jenkin told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "One would have thought Keir Starmer might have learned from our own [Conservatives] mistakes when we were in government."
He said "just complying with the rules is not going to protect your reputation".
"Rules are the backstop – what matters is how you behave, how you are seen to behave, how you adopt your leadership role in public life, how you deliver your integrity and about your commitment to your role".
Reform UK leader Nigel Farage said the row was a “political mess” for Sir Keir after he had tried to present himself as “different to the entitled Tories” and “holier than thou”.
“It’s just a very bad look for somebody who said everything was going to change,” he added.
SNP work and pensions spokesperson Kirsty Blackman said: "Voters were promised change but instead the Labour Party is copying the worst excesses of the Tories on sleaze, austerity cuts, and cronyism."
'Safer'
It is not yet clear whether the new policy of not accepting donations for clothes will apply to the prime minister's wife. Lord Alli paid for clothing for her and a personal shopper. It is also not clear whether it will apply to other donations in kind.
The prime minister, a keen Arsenal fan, has also come under pressure for accepting thousands of pounds worth of free football tickets over the last Parliament.
Although he is an Arsenal season ticket holder, Sir Keir told the BBC on Thursday that security concerns meant he could no longer watch games from the stands without security.
In a series of BBC interviews, he said he was "not going to ask the taxpayer to indulge me to be in the stands when I could go and sit somewhere else where the club and the security say it's safer for me to be".
Sir Keir's register of interests shows most of his tickets have been provided by individual football clubs or the Premier League, although investment firm Cain International and Bishop Auckland-based Teescraft Engineering paid for him to attend games against Chelsea and Newcastle respectively.
He is far from the only MP to have received freebies over the past year, with more than 70 current MPs from across the House of Commons listing free tickets to sporting events in their registers of interests.
Tickets have been provided by private donors, corporations, football clubs and sports governing bodies, among others.
PM Keir Starmer will no longer accept donations for clothes - BBC News
Fark i don't know who i loath more Abbot or Starmer, they are both vile self serving creatures. After offering up his clothes and those of his front bench before for they start the Labour conference, although Keir gets to keep his footy corporate box freebies, he won't be happy with the Anti Semite Abbot stiring it up....555555
The fcat this cvnt had the bold faced cheek to wave the moral flag when in opposition whist helping himself to lavish freebies does sound like grown up government to me but then the cvnt did ensure he was geyying a gold plated his pension as DPP - the bloke is first clas wanker.
Starmer ‘in the pocket of millionaires’, says Diane Abbott
Sir Keir Starmer’s Labour Party is “in the pocket of millionaires”, Diane Abbott has said on the eve of the party’s annual conference in Liverpool.
Ms Abbott, the veteran Left-winger, criticised the Prime Minister after a row over him accepting thousands of pounds for clothes from Lord Alli, a Labour peer and his biggest personal donor.
On Friday, Sir Keir promised that he would stop taking donations for clothes now that he was in office.
Angela Rayner, his deputy, and Rachel Reeves, the Chancellor, made the same pledge. Ms Reeves admitted this week she had received almost £7,500 for clothing since 2023 from a friend called Juliet Rosenfield, the widow of a Labour donor.
Criticising comments made by Ellie Reeves, the Chancellor’s sister and the Labour chairwoman, Ms Abbott wrote on X: “Ellie Reeves MP says ‘Labour’s general election victory was only possible because under Keir’s leadership we changed the party’. Changed it into an organisation whose leaders are in the pocket of millionaires?”
Ms Abbott, a former shadow home secretary and one of the most prominent figures on the Labour Left, posted her remarks alongside a low-resolution photograph of Sir Keir.
The 70-year-old was suspended last year for suggesting Jewish people did not suffer racism “all their lives” – comments for which she has repeatedly apologised.
She then had the Labour whip given back on the eve of the election in the wake of a row over her claims that she had been blocked from standing by Labour chiefs.
Sir Keir has not said he will pay the donations back and he has indicated he will continue to have his corporate tickets at Arsenal paid for by others.
Lord Alli has given nearly £1 million to Labour and donated £16,200 worth of “work clothing” to Sir Keir, including suits and glasses.
Sir Keir Starmer has not said he will pay the donations back and he has indicated he will continue to have his corporate tickets at Arsenal paid for by others
The revelations have damaged the party in the week before what should have been a celebratory four-day gathering in Liverpool following July’s landslide election victory.
Speaking on Saturday, Ellie Reeves said the conference would be a “momentous occasion” and its first as the governing power in 15 years.
“This is a time to come together and thank Labour activists for their hard work and their belief that a better future is possible, as well as to outline how Labour is already hard at work to deliver the change that people voted for,” she said.
“Labour has delivered a stable, united government for the first time in years. We have a long-term, mission-based approach that will tackle the country’s deep-seated problems and deliver on the national renewal the country desperately needs after 14 years of Tory chaos. Change begins now.”
And you may well die under their government.
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So you used to wank over pictures of Dianne you naught little man.
She might struggle to get enough votes from Conservative MPs to make it to the party vote.Quote:
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Having seen the reaction to having others buy their clothing , will they repay Ali Wongo and the farty thieves though?
Nobody has bought my clothes since I was a child, the mooseskin posing pouch was a birthday gift .
Keirs grown up politics hhhmmm.
£100K for freebeies and his wife shopping done for her.
Angela taking holidays off Lord Ali, a New Years Eve break but she "Forgot" to declare her "Friend" went also.
Lammy's Office accepting £10K donation from a Saudi PR bloke.
Rachel accepting "Cash" for clothes.
Winter Fuel cut which may save £300M but will by Labour's own forecast lead to the deaths of 4,000 pensioners.
Reeves and Stammer repeatedly trotting out the £22Bn black hole they have been left but over £6Bn is down to handing out above inflation rises to their Union paymaster.
Locking up a bunch of rowdy idiots and social media morons in favour of the early release of a couple of thousand muderers, rapists and perpetrators of domestic abuse against women with quite a few taking the opportunity to dust off their old habits.
and on it goes.
Now we all know the Tories were a bunch of shisters but Keir repeatedly bleated on in that droning fashion of his about Labour taking the moral high ground and will govern in a grown up manner, well that's when he's cleared it with Sue Gray. What shit show.
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Despite being in opposition for over a decade did Labour ever have a plan to Govern, there was nothing solid in their manifesto and we've heard nothing about what they propose to do.
There goes the honeymoon: stunned Labour heads to conference in a spin
Rows over freebies and hints of unrest in No 10 have soured the mood of July’s victory – and the poll numbers are plunging already
Starmer now less popular than Rishi Sunak
An unlikely mood has descended on Labour MPs, officials and ministers as they head to Liverpool for the first party conference of an incoming Labour government since 1997. They secured a 174-seat landslide majority little more than two months ago, but the words being used to describe the atmosphere are not like they were 27 years ago. Some characterise it as surreal; others are more despairing that a series of “unforced errors” have robbed Keir Starmer and his team of their political honeymoon.
“What should have been a victory parade, and the height of the administration’s powers, has already stalled,” said one MP. “Hardly the most auspicious of starts for the next five years.”
Gripes over Starmer’s odd predilection for free trips and trousers – a habit now jettisoned in the wake of stories about the freebies he, his wife and his top team have taken – have collided with complaints about the power and pay of his chief of staff, Sue Gray. The complaints are gnawing away at the prime minister’s self-styled reputation as the person to clean up politics after years of Tory sleaze.
“It’s just further confirmation of how politically naive Starmer is,” said an MP. “I have no doubt whatsoever that people like [New Labour architect Peter] Mandelson understand this and would probably have advised him not to go down the ‘white knight in anti-sleaze armour’ route.”
Yet there is a suspicion that these complaints have been driven by a bigger question that many MPs hope Starmer will begin to answer this week on Merseyside: having secured power, what is it actually for?
Sue Gray has been at the centre of complaints over pay Photograph: Liam McBurney/PA
For many, the rows over freebies and the pay of his team are a symptom of the fact that he has not yet articulated a political narrative big enough to fill the vacuum.
It wasn’t meant to be this way. Labour aides have been telling people that there will be record numbers at conference this year, with about 20,000 people, delegates and others, descending on Liverpool. For months, Starmer’s officials had been planning how to strike the balance between celebration and getting on with the job of mending the country after 14 years of the Tories.
“I don’t think it’s very happy in there,” said one insider, referring to Downing Street. “[Starmer] will be being pushed to lean into something more positive.” There are plans to make clear all the things that the government has already achieved in its short time in office – a manoeuvre also used by the party in 1997. But the sense that the prime minister needs to set a stronger sense of direction will be underlined by the worrying polling data now emerging.
Following the complaints about freebies, the latest Opinium polling for the Observer shows cause for concern. Apart from a staggering fall in Starmer’s personal approval ratings – down 45 points since July – Labour has declined on other polling measures. It has fallen 17 points when voters are asked if Labour has “similar views to my own”; 20 points on whether it has “the nation’s best interests at heart”, and 29 points on whether it is “in touch with ordinary people”.
For some, this is the inevitable noise that comes with taking power at such a difficult moment for the public finances, with a tax-raising budget on the horizon. Others, however, see it as an early warning that Labour’s support in the country started at a low base, despite the huge win, and that a stronger sense of direction is needed.
However, it is a pressure Starmer understands. “We had to make it clear what the inheritance was,” he says in his interview this week with the Observer. “But I think … we do need to say why, and explain and set out and describe the better Britain that this ladders up to, if we get the original decisions right.”
The problem for Starmer this week is that if he fails to take a strong lead in showing his government’s next steps, there are a few powerful figures in the union movement itching to give him a shove in a direction of their choosing. While the major Labour-affiliated unions have been incredibly obedient both during the election campaign and in the new government’s early months – kept onside with the promise of a workers’ rights overhaul and the end of anti-strike legislation – some, such as Unite, are now beginning to campaign in earnest against Labour’s cut to winter fuel payments for most pensioners.
It is also working with others on a major conference confrontation on austerity. Its motion will condemn the winter fuel payment policy and call for a U-turn, and demand a wealth tax on top earners and changes to the fiscal rules to allow more borrowing and investment. Union sources said they were confident it would reach a vote in some form on Monday.
Even allies of Starmer have become critical of what they fear is the “Osborne playbook” being deployed by the Treasury team. Much more important to them is prioritising the missions Starmer set out before the election, aimed at restoring the NHS, boosting economic growth and pursuing clean power.
The left of the party is diminished, but some of its senior figures are setting out a narrative that chimes with a wider audience. John McDonnell, the former shadow chancellor who was suspended from the party for voting against the government on an amendment calling on it to scrap the two-child limit on benefits, is among them. He believes that without more optimism and ambition from Labour, the beneficiary will be Nigel Farage and Reform UK.
“It’s one of the shortest honeymoons I’ve ever seen in politics,” he said. “It was a toxic inheritance and people understand that. People want us to say how bad it is, of course, but then tell us how we’re going to get through it – give us a bit of hope.
“I was worried that if we didn’t deliver by midterm, people would become disillusioned and it would be the far right that benefits from it, as we’ve seen in France and Germany. If we’re threatened with an austerity budget, it just feeds Reform and Farage and all the rest. That’s my worry.”
An MP still inside the parliamentary fold agrees. “Reform thrives in chaos,” they said.
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