Thread: The British Prime Minister - for as long as there is a Great Britain

The last paragraph is inarguable. Her suicidal ‘policies’ have all been dumped.

That was the purpose of getting Hunt the [at][at][at][at] in.

Meanwhile, Labour has a 37 point lead.

Who here is old enough to remember the Winter of Discontent? (Not sybille obviously, for him that's every year).

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How's your screenshot collection coming along, Harriet Barrow?

Watched the car crash interview with Truss on the Beeb, surely she can't last much longer. The 1922 must be looking at rule change.


‘Hunt’s running the show’: the day power drained away from Liz Truss

When it was announced that Penny Mordaunt had offered to stand in for Liz Truss in response to an urgent Commons question over the economic crisis on Monday, some Conservative MPs thought it was a joke.


“Why is she asking one of her biggest rivals for the job to take her place? She’ll totally show her up,” one said. It was hard to see the cabinet minister’s performance on Monday afternoon as anything other than an audition for the top job.


Mordaunt did little to dispel that impression as she landed punchy attacks on the Labour leader, Keir Starmer, roused the depressed Tory troops, and offered an apology to the country for the instability caused by the prime minister’s dramatic climbdown. Truss had done none of these things publicly, though probably should have done all of them.


Nevertheless, it was Truss’s refusal to show up and face MPs herself – despite unleashing chaos on the party, the economy and the country – that most riled MPs. Mordaunt repeatedly assured them there was a “genuine reason” why she was not there. In one particularly bizarre exchange, she insisted: “The prime minister is not under a desk.”

more: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/17/jeremy-hunt-latest-tory-u-turn-liz-truss

Originally Posted by cyrille

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Originally Posted by malmomike77

Watched the car crash interview with Truss on the Beeb, surely she can't last much longer.

Surely they can't make a worse choice to replace her before all is lost for the party

I'd imagine the autumn statement will see some big changes

i'd like to see HS2 scrapped, scrap pension tax relief for higher rate tax payers, get rid of the triple lock, increase the state pension age progressively to 70 and tax the exceptional profits on all power generators - he needs to find c£40Bn

Stripping the OAPs of their triple lock rises, again, especially when inflation at nigh on 10% has ripped through the economy for a year by the time of next year’s increases, will ensure the destruction of this Brexitory trash at the next GE.

That is a good thing so perhaps should proceed.

If they want fair taxation they should increase NICS and tax all profit on house sales as earned income.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

will ensure the destruction of this Brexitory trash at the next GE.

I think that ship has sailed a few weeks ago

Conservatives are despairing. One Tory MP told me: 'I might even vote Labour now'

The atmosphere among ministers and backbenchers is - as one grandee remarks with some understatement - 'febrile

The apology - when it finally came - was the bare minimum of what Liz Truss had to do. "I do want to accept responsibility and say sorry for the mistakes that have been made," the Prime Minister told the BBC.


At her party conference Ms Truss refused to apologise for a mini-Budget that had jeopardised millions of people's mortgages, telling her party simply: "I get it." Well, a fortnight on, she clearly gets it now.


James Heappey, the defence minister, told Sky News on Tuesday that Ms Truss's apology to the public was "a contrast to a year ago when the previous prime minister's woes began". Up to a point.


The problem for the PM is that politics is coming at everyone much faster nowadays and the time when apologies might have helped has passed a week ago. Events are now out of the Prime Minister's hands.

Around Parliament knots of MPs are gathering to discuss her future and work out whether one of her rivals can replace her.

The only factor keeping her in place is the absence of a way to replace her, as Simon Hoare, a critic and chairman of the Northern Ireland select committee, told the BBC on Tuesday.

This is why I think Truss will limp on for weeks or even months, as a 'zombie Prime Minister', in office but not in power.

Things might get easier. Time is on her side. She does not have to call a general election for more than two years, which as we know is a very long time in modern politics.

Getting through the week

Events might come back to help too. The Office for Budget Responsibility's medium term forecasts on Oct 31 are now likely to be much more markets-friendly.

The Bank of England's Monetary Policy Committee might not drive up interest rates as far as feared when it meets on Nov 3.

And, on Nov 8, a major redrawing of constituencies is published that should strengthen her authority as leader as dozens of Tory MPs look to Conservative Central Office and ask for help in finding new seats at the next election.

But she has to get through this week first. And the atmosphere among ministers and backbenchers is - as one grandee told me with some understatement - "febrile."

Ms Truss will meet the normally-loyal European Research Group of Tory MPs at 5pm today in a Commons committee room to beg for their forgiveness.

And senior Tories are expecting 1922 chairman Sir Graham Brady to convey concern among backbenchers about the turbulent past few days to her in the next 36 hours.

Ms Truss’s performance at Prime Minister’s Questions on Wednesday is now seen as “make or break” for her. One senior Tory told me: “If she does well she can steady the ship - if not things will deteriorate rapidly.”

Conservatives are despairing. One Tory MP came up to me yesterday and said simply: "I might even vote Labour now." Plenty of his supporters might agree with him.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/18/conservatives-despairing-liz-truss-clings-power/

The only chance a Tory has getting elected in 2 years is to stand for Labour

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

If they want fair taxation they should increase NICS and tax all profit on house sales as earned income.

Easy to say when you don’t pay taxes nor NICS contributions and are not a house owner. One of your dumber posts.

Originally Posted by cyrille

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How's your screenshot collection coming along, Harriet Barrow?

The same as your Jeremy Corbyn tank top collection I fancy.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Jeremy Corbyn tank top collection

That thought just put me off my lunch.

Originally Posted by Iceman123

Easy to say when you don’t pay taxes nor NICS contributions and are not a house owner. One of your dumber posts.

Well, you dull witted Antipodean ignoramus, I do pay taxes in the UK, as a recipient of a civil service pension, but whether or not that were not to be the case, you knuckle-dragging bogan ocker oaf, my opinion would still have merit.

NICS is a progressive tax and taxing profits on house sales as earned income is again progressive. One could always give first time sellers a free ride.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Well, you dull witted Antipodean ignoramus, I do pay taxes in the UK, as a recipient of a civil service pension, but whether or not that were not to be the case, you knuckle-dragging bogan ocker oaf, my opinion would still have merit.

NICS is a progressive tax and taxing profits on house sales as earned income is again progressive. One could always give first time sellers a free ride.

Your civil service pension is index linked which means in these times of raging inflation your increase of thruppence halfpenny should more than offset any taxes that would be deducted.

You obviously have no understanding of the UK economy when you advocate taxing profits on one’s principal place of residence.

After paying for this property with after tax money, with no tax deductions for monies expended on legal fees, stamp duty etc and no ability to claim tax deductions for interest paid. Does this not just highlight what a clueless dork you really are?

Stick to lying pished on your balcony straining to view that cerulean sea.
har har

Originally Posted by Iceman123

Easy to say when you donÂ’t pay taxes nor NICS contributions and are not a house owner. One of your dumber posts.

Well, you dull witted Antipodean ignoramus, I do pay taxes in the UK, as a recipient of a civil service pension, but whether or not that were not to be the case, you knuckle-dragging bogan ocker oaf, my opinion would still have merit.

NICS is a progressive tax and taxing profits on house sales as earned income is again progressive. One could always give first time sellers a free ride.

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you can say that again

I did say tax the ‘profit’.

Mitigating liability by legitimate deductibles incurred through the sale would be open to all on their tax return.

Americans do it, you silly fucko, and they ain’t exactly socialists.

Trouble with you Ockers, you’re ‘little’ people.

the era of low interest rates and cheap money is thankfully over and borrowing will be far dearer for everyone, which is how it should be. live within your means. over generous covid packages and the stupidly uncosted open ended energy subsidies have emptied the coffers and spooked the markets.

but economic orthodoxy has at last, after so long, prevailed – and with it the hard but welcome truth that borrowing is harder and the state must shrink.

labour may take over soon, but how would they manage their anti austerity mantra? unlike tony blair, starmer wont be inheriting an economic boom to finance their big state big spending nannying plans. the tories may face an existential crisis, but if their opponents no longer support big spending then whats their fucking point? a labour government would be kicked out of office within a couple of years with their hateful divisive, woke, victimhood, "working people" big spending schtick.

with a smaller state, people will have to accept responsibility and learn to fend for themselves more. thats how people become resilient, and how and economy can slowly grow.

the next labour government will have to contend with the same intractable problems in british politics. the lack of a parliamentary coalition to make it easier to build homes and infrastructure. the endless government appointed legislators, committees, think tanks, advisors and focus groups that complicate compliance and regulation and by their dawdling deliberations oppose any form of change or progress, the expensive and premature rush to net zero, and the same fickle stupid meatheaded public that covets the proceeds of economic growth but rejects the trade-offs needed to achieve it.

the tories may look ungovernable, but in many ways so is the country.

we have become italy. but thankfully we are no longer in the biggest big state of them all, the eu.

but for the less profligate savers amongst us, the most welcome rises in interest rates will go someway to cushioning the blows to come.

personally i am pretty much resigned to a labour government taking over sooner if not later and i will certainly look at ways of re instating my offshore status again. i'm buggered if i will allow my taxes to fund some albanian asylum seekers hotel accommodation, some extinction rebellion protestors legal fees, some brainwashed teens sex change surgery or some obese single mother of 6's child support, mobility scooter and pizza bills. fuck em all.

State pensions could rise 10.1% from April as Prime Minister 'committed' to the triple lock - though no certainty over benefits rise

Updated 19 October 2022 | Created 19 October 2022

"Prime Minister Liz Truss today said she was 'completely committed' to the triple lock, meaning that millions of people claiming the state pension could receive a 10.1% increase in payments from April next year. However, given the ongoing cost of living crisis, and economic uncertainty in the UK, the Government has yet to officially confirm whether this will be the case - and whether benefit payments will rise by the same amount.

Usually pension and benefit payments would be uprated by the Consumer Prices Index (CPI) rate of inflation for the year to September. This rate was 10.1% as published by the Office for National Statistics today.

Truss made the commitment during Prime Minister's Questions on Wednesday. It would see state payment pensions rise in line with inflation from next April. However, there was no such commitment for benefits payments."

Just a moment...

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Stripping the OAPs of their triple lock rises,

Liz has gone full 360 on the pension rises, but no idea if she'll change her mind again by the end of the week.

Home secretary Suella Braverman has resigned just to add to the Tory woes. Good riddance to another 'Rwanda' supporter.

I'm asking the same question as Keir Starmer: "Why is Liz Truss still here?"

It's the post Brexit farce that just keeps delivering...

Originally Posted by Troy

Keir Starmer

I'm having a great time watching the tories having all sorts of selfinflicted problems.

At the same time I noticed some videos on Youtube about Labour.



What's that all about ?

(haven't watched them)

Why tf are you asking about something you can't be bothered watching?

You're as fake as , that's why.

Do carry on 'having a great time' though.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Why tf are you asking about something you can't be bothered watching?

Bothered ?
I haven't watched it 'yet'

And if someone said 'don't bother', I might give it a slip

It's several hours of watching, asshole

Originally Posted by cyrille

Do carry on 'having a great time' though.

Who the fuck rang you up ?

So piss of, Grumpy you genuine pile of crap