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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Well, that is certainly less than the 16% contraction they were forecasting for 2022. Guess we'll just have to wait and see if this forecast is more accurate, or equally as abysmal.
    Yes, I would pluck numbers from the air were I in your position.

    Meanwhile.

    BERLIN, Sept 16 (Reuters) - Russia's economy is not likely to return to pre-war levels before the end of this decade as the Ukraine war and stricter sanctions worsen long-standing economic deficiencies, Scope Ratings said in a report seen by Reuters on Friday.

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    About four times as much private capital - $64.2 billion - flowed out of Russia in the first quarter of 2022 alone compared with the same quarter last year, said the report.

    The Scope report predicts that the private sector will withdraw more capital from Russia this year than the $152 billion pulled out in 2014, when Russia annexed the Crimea.

    Russian economy will not return to pre-war levels until 2030, Scope Ratings says | Reuters

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    Russia Dropping US Dollar for Chinese Yuan—and Fast

    December 27, 2022

    In response to Western sanctions, Russia’s central bank is dropping the US dollar and will buy Chinese yuan on the foreign exchange market. The yuan’s share of Moscow’s currency trading increased from 1% to 40-45% in 2022, while dollar trade halved from 80% to 40%.

    FULL- Russia Dropping US Dollar for Chinese Yuan—and Fast - scheerpost.com



    2/ Deutschlandfunk: The West is surprised by Russia - gloomy forecasts for 2022 did not come true


    Russia surprises the West with its ability to deal with economic sanctions. This was told by the German journalist Sandra Pfister.


    The West, after the start of the Ukrainian crisis, unleashed an economic war against Russia by imposing comprehensive economic sanctions. The latter became the weapon of the United States and Europe in the confrontation with the Russian Federation. According to Sandra Pfister, after ten months of such a struggle, it became clear that Moscow is coping quite well with enemy pressure. Such data are provided by Deutschlandfunk. PolitRussia presents an exclusive retelling of the article.

    “So far, the Russian economy has coped surprisingly well with sanctions. In the spring, many economists predicted a sharp collapse for her, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) predicted a decline of eight to nine percent. Now the IMF says that, despite the sanctions, the Russian economy will shrink by only 3.5 percent, ”the author of the German publication notes.

    After the sanctions did not have a lightning-fast effect, Western economists began to draw gloomy predictions for Russia in 2023. However, they now believe that their initial forecasts will not come true.

    “But all forecasts agree that the sanctions will not bring the Russian economy to its knees next year,” says Sandra Pfister.

    Russia continues to make good money on oil and gas sales, even though energy supplies to European countries have been greatly reduced. Moreover, a large number of Western companies still continue to operate in the Russian Federation. Where American and European business has gone, the Russian Federation is seeking to replace its services with supplies from other countries, as well as through parallel imports.

    “In other words, something is always missing in Russia, including on store shelves, but most often not completely and for a short time,” the Deutschlandfunk columnist expressed the opinion.

    Earlier, PolitRussia talked about the bewilderment of European experts because of the ninth package of anti-Russian sanctions by the EC.

    Deutschlandfunk: Запад удивлен Россией — мрачные прогнозы на 2022 год не сбылись



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    I see our resident putin brown noser doesn't even try and hide his troll factory bullshit any more.

    A Primer on Prigozhin and the Patriot Media Group
    Yevgeny Prigozhin is the head of the Patriot Media Group which formally includes five pro-Kremlin
    media news organisations: RiaFan, PolitRussia.com, nation-news.ru, and RuEconomics.ru.

    RiaFan in particular has been extensively investigated for its links to the IRA, including initially sharing the same
    address until it later moved to its own premises.

    In 2017, the Russian investigative journal RBC also identified an additional 11 websites as being part of Prigozhin’s ‘media factory’. The label ‘media factory’ was used by the Russian investigators to refer to a group of related online websites which are
    associated, in one way or another to the original ‘troll factory’ (aka the IRA).

    The following is a list of digital entities linked to the IRA: RiaFan.ru; RuEconomics.ru; Nation-news.
    ru; Polit-info; PolitRussia.com; Newinform.com; Politros.com; Kievsmi.net; Politexpert.net; Nevnov.
    ru; Nahnews.org; Inforeactor.ru; Jpgazeta.com; Slovodel.com; Politpuzzle.ru; Whoswhos.org.
    https://www.cardiff.ac.uk/__data/ass...nal-report.pdf

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    He's also the head of Wagner Group.

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    Deutschlandfunk (DLF, German: [ˈdɔʏtʃlantˌfʊŋk] (listen) Broadcast Germany) is a public-broadcasting radio station in Germany, concentrating on news and current affairs. It is one of the four national radio channels produced by Deutschlandradio.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutschlandfunk


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    That wasn't your link though. Even though it's in Russian I would bet they took a small sliver of truth from the German article and spun it, sprinkled it with bullshit, and shit it back out. It's their standard M.O.

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    Bottom line is, the economic sanctions against Russia have missed their mark, boomeranged and caused severe economic damage to Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Bottom line is, the economic sanctions against Russia have missed their mark, boomeranged and caused severe economic damage to Europe.

    Bottom line is you're posting bullshit propaganda from a russian troll factory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
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    That wasn't your link though. Even though it's in Russian I would bet they took a small sliver of truth from the German article and spun it, sprinkled it with bullshit, and shit it back out. It's their standard M.O.
    That's exactly how this troll farm bullshit works.

    And sabang swallows every word.

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    Not Donetsk, Moscow or Kiev. Downtown Paris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Not Donetsk, Moscow or Kiev. Downtown Paris.
    And what does that have to do with sanctions?

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    The natives are getting restless, Sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    The natives are getting restless, Sir.
    They're not natives, they're Kurds. And it's got fuck all to do with sanctions.

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    Oh gee, you just got caught posting fake news lies, and you are already back posting an out of context graph. You would think that you would take at least a couple of days to recover from yesterday's utter beat down.


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    Not fake news at all. Two major strikes, one on the disused hockey stadium, one on the railway unloading platform. One captured on French TV. Ukrainian policy is to not disclose their casualties (as opposed to the Russian MoD)- and that's official. Unofficially, it is just to deny everything that is bad news (proactively assisted by trolls, NAFO and otherwise), and exaggerate everything 'good'- so hardly credible. Well too late, it's all over the internet. Some talk of a second strike on the loading platform too, when the Ukrainians were attempting to evacuate damaged equipment. Otherwise too much fog of war to comment further- I'll just leave it with you silly NAFO children for now. Things are not going well for Ukraine, no wonder they are trying to keep their real casualties under wraps.

    Now, got any comment on the thread topic? Those sanctions are clearly not working are they?

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    In one regard or another, does anyone really know what fake news is all about?

    In essence, isn't it all fake?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    In essence, isn't it all fake?
    It's rarely the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

    Yes, it's mostly ....fake


    ^^^^

    Very often only baltic and nordic countries, who are the good boys in the EU classroom.

    All 6 of them

    What a ridiculous piece of crap this "union" is.

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    Three clowns clowning.

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    Looks like Jeff is pushing for a place in the wanketeers first team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Looks like Jeff is pushing for a place in the wanketeers first team.
    Honestly, he has been in the clown car with the other bozos for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Honestly, he has been in the clown car with the other bozos for years.
    Now that's not fair, normally he has whatever planet he lives on entirely to himself.


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    A review of an opinion article from France:

    The original artical, in French, is here:

    Emmanuel Todd: <<La Troisieme Guerre mondiale a commence>>

    Emmanuel Todd: “The Third World War has begun”

    By Alexandre Devecchio
    Posted on 01/12/2023 at 7:44 p.m. , Updated yesterday at 9:11 p.m.

    "Prominent French intellectual Emmanuel Todd argues the Ukraine proxy war is the start of WWIII, and is “existential” for both Russia and the US “imperial system”, which has restricted the sovereignty of Europe, making Brussels into Washington’s “protectorate”.

    By Ben Norton Published19 hours ago

    A prominent French intellectual has written a book arguing that the United States is already waging World War Three against Russia and China.

    He also warned that Europe has become a kind of imperial “protectorate”, which has little sovereignty and is essentially controlled by the US.

    Emmanuel Todd is a widely respected anthropologist and historian in France.

    In 2022, Todd published a book titled “The Third World War Has Started” (“La Troisième Guerre mondiale a commencé” in French). At the moment, it is only available in Japan.

    But Todd outlined the main arguments he made in the book in a French-language interview with the major newspaper Le Figaro, conducted by the journalist Alexandre Devecchio.

    According to Todd, the proxy war in Ukraine is “existential” not only for Russia, but also for the United States.

    The US “imperial system” is weakening in much of the world, he observed, but this is leading Washington to “strengthen its hold on its initial protectorates”: Europe and Japan.

    This means that “Germany and France had become minor partners in NATO”, Todd said, and NATO is really a “Washington-London-Warsaw-Kiev” bloc.

    US and EU sanctions have failed to crush Russia, as Western capitals had hoped, he noted. This means that “the resistance of the Russian economy is pushing the American imperial system toward the precipice”, and “the American monetary and financial controls of the world would collapse”.

    The French public intellectual pointed to UN votes concerning Russia, and cautioned that the West is out of touch with the rest of the world.

    “Western newspapers are tragically funny. They don’t stop saying, ‘Russia is isolated, Russia is isolated’. But when we look at the votes of the United Nations, we see that 75% of the world does not follow the West, which then seems very small”, Todd observed.

    He also criticized the GDP metrics used by Western neoclassical economists for downplaying the productive capacity of the Russian economy, while simultaneously exaggerating that of financialized neoliberal economies like in the United States.

    In the Le Figaro interview, Todd argued (all emphasis added):

    This is the reality, World War III has begun. It is true that it started ‘small’ and with two surprises. We went into this war with the idea that the Russian army was very powerful and that its economy was very weak.

    It was thought that Ukraine was going to be crushed militarily and that Russia would be crushed economically by the West. But the reverse happened. Ukraine was not crushed militarily even if it lost 16% of its territory on that date; Russia was not crushed economically. As I speak to you, the ruble has gained 8% against the dollar and 18% against the euro since the day before the start of the war.

    So there was a sort of misunderstanding. But it is obvious that the conflict, passing from a limited territorial war to a global economic confrontation, between the whole of the West on the one hand and Russia backed by China on the other hand, has become a war world. Even if military violence is low compared to that of previous world wars.

    The newspaper asked Todd if he was exaggerating. He replied, “We still provide weapons. We kill Russians, even if we don’t expose ourselves. But it remains true that we Europeans are above all economically engaged. We also feel our true entry into war through the inflation and shortages”.

    Todd understated his case. He didn’t mention the fact that, after the US sponsored the coup that overthrew Ukraine’s democratically elected government in 2014, setting off a civil war, the CIA and Pentagon immediately began training Ukrainian forces to fight Russia.

    The New York Times has acknowledged that the CIA and special operations forces from numerous European countries are on the ground in Ukraine. And the CIA and a European NATO ally are even carrying out sabotage attacks inside Russian territory.

    Nevertheless, in the interview, Todd continued:

    Putin made a big mistake early on, which is of immense sociohistorical interest. Those who worked on Ukraine on the eve of the war considered the country not as a fledgling democracy, but as a society in decay and a ‘failed state’ in the making.

    I think the Kremlin’s calculation was that this decaying society would crumble at the first shock, or even say ‘welcome Mom’ to holy Russia. But what we have discovered, on the contrary, is that a society in decomposition, if it is fed by external financial and military resources, can find in war a new type of balance, and even a horizon, a hope. The Russians could not have foreseen it. No one could.

    Todd said he shares the view of Ukraine of US political scientist John Mearsheimer, a realist who has criticized Washington’s hawkish foreign policy.

    Mearsheimer “told us that Ukraine, whose army had been taken over by NATO soldiers (American, British and Polish) since at least 2014, was therefore a de facto member of NATO, and that the Russians had announced that they would never tolerate a NATO member Ukraine,” Todd said.

    For Russia, this is there a war that is “from their point of view defensive and preventative,” he conceded.

    “Mearsheimer added that we would have no reason to rejoice in the eventual difficulties of the Russians because, since this is an existential question for them, the harder it was, the harder they would hit. The analysis seems to hold true.”

    However, Todd argued that Mearsheimer “does not go far enough” in his analysis. The US political scientist has overlooked how Washington has restricted the sovereignty of Berlin and Paris, Todd said:

    Germany and France had become minor partners in NATO and were not aware of what was going on in Ukraine on the military level. French and German naivety has been criticized because our governments did not believe in the possibility of a Russian invasion. True, but because they did not know that Americans, British and Poles could make Ukraine be able to wage a larger war. The fundamental axis of NATO now is Washington-London-Warsaw-Kiev.

    Mearsheimer, like a good American, overestimates his country. He considers that, if for the Russians the war in Ukraine is existential, for the Americans it is nothing but a power “game” among others. After Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, one debacle more or less… What does it matter?

    The basic axiom of American geopolitics is: ‘We can do whatever we want because we are sheltered, far away, between two oceans, nothing will ever happen to us’. Nothing would be existential for America. Insufficiency of analysis which today leads Biden to a series of reckless actions.

    America is fragile. The resistance of the Russian economy is pushing the American imperial system toward the precipice. No one had expected that the Russian economy would hold up against the “economic power” of NATO. I believe that the Russians themselves did not anticipate it.

    The French public intellectual went on in the interview to argue that, by resisting the full force of Western sanctions, Russia and China pose a threat to “the American monetary and financial controls of the world”.

    This, in turn, challenges the US status as the issuer of the global reserve currency, which gives it the ability to maintain a “huge trade deficit”:

    If the Russian economy resisted the sanctions indefinitely and managed to exhaust the European economy, while it itself remained, backed by China, the American monetary and financial controls of the world would collapse, and with them the possibility for United States to fund its huge trade deficit for nothing.

    This war has therefore become existential for the United States. No more than Russia, they cannot withdraw from the conflict, they cannot let go. This is why we are now in an endless war, in a confrontation whose outcome must be the collapse of one or the other.

    Todd warned that, while the United States is weakening in much of the world, its “imperial system” is “strengthening its hold on its initial protectorates”: Europe and Japan.

    He explained:

    Everywhere we see the weakening of the United States, but not in Europe and Japan because one of the effects of the retraction of the imperial system is that the United States strengthens its hold on its initial protectorates.

    If we read [Zbigniew] Brzezinski (The Grand Chessboard), we see that the American empire was formed at the end of the Second World War by the conquest of Germany and Japan, which are still protectorates today. As the American system shrinks, it weighs more and more heavily on the local elites of the protectorates (and I include all of Europe here).

    The first to lose all national autonomy will be (or already are) the English and the Australians. The Internet has produced human interaction with the United States in the Anglosphere of such intensity that its academic, media and artistic elites are, so to speak, annexed. On the European continent we are somewhat protected by our national languages, but the fall in our autonomy is considerable, and rapid.

    As an example of a moment in recent history when Europe was more independent, Todd pointed out, “Let us remember the war in Iraq, when Chirac, Schröder and Putin held joint press conferences against the war” – referring to the former leaders of France (Jacques Chirac) and Germany (Gerhard Schröder).

    The interviewer at Le Figaro newspaper, Alexandre Devecchio, countered Todd asking, “Many observers point out that Russia has the GDP of Spain. Aren’t you overestimating its economic power and resilience?”
    Todd criticized the overreliance on GDP as a metric, calling it a “fictional measure of production” that obscures the real productive forces in an economy:

    War becomes a test of political economy, it is the great revealer. The GDP of Russia and Belarus represents 3.3% of Western GDP (the US, Anglosphere, Europe, Japan, South Korea), practically nothing. One can ask oneself how this insignificant GDP can cope and continue to produce missiles.

    The reason is that GDP is a fictional measure of production. If we take away from the American GDP half of its overbilled health spending, then the “wealth produced” by the activity of its lawyers, by the most filled prisons in the world, then by an entire economy of ill-defined services, including the “production” of its 15 to 20 thousand economists with an average salary of 120,000 dollars, we realize that an important part of this GDP is water vapor.

    War brings us back to the real economy, it allows us to understand what the real wealth of nations is, the capacity for production, and therefore the capacity for war.

    Todd noted that Russia has shown “a real capacity to adapt”. He attributed this to the “very large role for the state” in the Russian economy, in contrast to the US neoliberal economic model:

    If we come back to material variables, we see the Russian economy. In 2014, we put in place the first important sanctions against Russia, but then it increased its wheat production, which went from 40 to 90 million tons in 2020. Meanwhile, thanks to neoliberalism, American wheat production, between 1980 and 2020, went from 80 to 40 million tons.


    Russia has therefore a real capacity to adapt. When we want to make fun of centralized economies, we emphasize their rigidity, and when we glorify capitalism, we praise its flexibility.

    The Russian economy, for its part, has accepted the rules of operation of the market (it is even an obsession of Putin to preserve them), but with a very large role for the state, but it also derives its flexibility from training engineers, who allow the industrial and military adaptations.

    This point is similar to what economist Michael Hudson has argued – that although Moscow’s economy is no longer socialist, like that of the Soviet Union was, the Russian Federation’s state-led industrial capitalism clashes with the financialized model of neoliberal capitalism that the United States has tried to impose on the world."

    https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2023...emmanuel-todd/
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    ^^ If you are going to post boring shite from a "french intellectual" that knows about as much of war as my goldfish could you keep it short unless you are only posting for Backspin and Sabang. It is hard work wading through your propaganda at the best of times although I wil attempt to if you could at least keep it short.

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    I found the article very interesting actually, as I do in general with geopolitical analysis, and I am sure I am not alone. Nobody makes you read it, any more than you will find me reading English soccer threads.

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