Thread: Biden says U.S. willing to use force to defend Taiwan prompting backlash from China

Originally Posted by panama hat

You're not seeing the bigger picture.

Oh, but I am.

Originally Posted by panama hat

but their fear of being boxed in and cut off from supply lines is real . . .

The only way any supply lines would be cut is if CHINA causes them to be cut. Plain and simple.

Originally Posted by panama hat

If the US sees China as a bigger and growing threat action will be taken, history proves that.

So you are insinuating that the US would preemptively strike China. That is absurd. Shame you didn't bother watching the video, the Admiral pretty clearly outlines the issue at hand, and it is one of China interfering with freedom of movement in international territory.

Originally Posted by panama hat

You're not seeing the bigger picture. Of course China's actions in the SCS are unacceptable . . . but their fear of being boxed in and cut off from supply lines is real . . .

and I agree on this as well. I totally understand where the CCP are coming from, I loathe the regime but I do agree, they are being boxed in. This is why SEA and the Kra Canal are so important to them and definitely their end game in Thailand. Laos, Cambodia and Thailand are of vital importance to them. Not for war, that will be over in a matter of days, but rather for the ability to keep on importing raw materials if the west get super stingy. This is all a long term play by the US. Taking out Russia and Iran are their priority right now, they are China's flanks and without them, well that is game, set and match my Winnie the Pooh looking friend.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Like it or not, snubby, not everyone is ok with the US as the world's policeman.

well it ain't going to be ze EU under Ze Chermans standing up to anything

Originally Posted by panama hat

It's not unheard of

The US will not preemptively strike China, the assertion is laughable.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Again, you're possibly deliberately being one-sided to the extreme.

*Sigh*

Originally Posted by panama hat

I am not sabang, ohwoe or Backspit.

In regard to this one narrowly focused conversation, I am starting to wonder about that.

Originally Posted by panama hat

China's first priority is China and Chinese

Thanks for that groundbreaking revelation.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Like it or not, snubby, not everyone is ok with the US as the world's policeman.

Tough titties. China is in violation of international law and someone needs to hold them accountable. The US will not just cede the SCS to Xi and the CCP bastards. The fact is that the US is the only country that can push back on China regarding this issue, and it will continue to do so. The CCP can stomp its wittle feet all it wants, it will not change that reality.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Like it or not, snubby, not everyone is ok with the US as the world's policeman.

Sure, but then, if anyone prefers to see China in that role, he is deeply delusional. Given the alternatives I take the US any day, as long as they can keep Trump out.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Excellent watch...

Here's an excellent watch. Keep in mind that Taiwan will be a local conflict for China.

Originally Posted by panama hat

What's there to keep in mind . . .

He is such an epic level clown.

The ruzzian army started the war in Ukraine with more tanks than Ukraine now not so much. The chinese navy is shit, just like the ruzzian army. They will get their clocks cleaned by the US Navy.

Today is day 2 of #China's 3 day “Taiwan encirclement sharp sword exercise

Originally Posted by bsnub

The chinese navy is shit, just like the ruzzian army. They will get their clocks cleaned by the US Navy.

Navy dept doesn't share your opinione Snubs. They view the Chinese Navy a very formidable and rapidly improving force.

Originally Posted by Norton

They view the Chinese Navy a very formidable and rapidly improving force.

They felt that way about the ruzzians too before the war in Ukraine. I can assure you they do not have that same opinion now. The Chinese military has the same top-heavy organizational structure, uses the same soviet doctrine, and has the same issues with corruption as the ruzzians.

If the Admirals in the US went around saying China was a paper tiger, they would not get their big ships built.

Originally Posted by bsnub

If the Admirals in the US went around saying China was a paper tiger, they would not get their big ships built.

That about nails it. What military is going to tell their governments they *don't* need more toys?

Originally Posted by bsnub

They felt that way about the ruzzians too before the war in Ukraine. I can assure you they do not have that same opinion now. The Chinese military has the same top-heavy organizational structure, uses the same soviet doctrine, and has the same issues with corruption as the ruzzians.

If the Admirals in the US went around saying China was a paper tiger, they would not get their big ships built.

Originally Posted by panama hat

China should be more worried about Russian nukes in their area, rather than waste their time on an island that has the same population as a mainland city

You know what is concerning is just what sort of game is China playing on Russia. I cannot see any trap already set but I am sure there is one already in the process. A small section of the area around Vladivostok used to be part of Manchuria and to a greater extent, there are communities of Manchu ethnicity further up towards northern Siberia. This area is also filled to the brim with natural resources, enough to keep the factory, that is China, going without the need for the southern Burma and the Kra canal routes. It is a shot in the dark for China to be even thinking this is possible but hey, if you don't play, you will never win. This is all about resources, Taiwan is not a target for pride but rather a target of resources and in this case taking a resource away from the US.

The more I look at this, the more I find a deeply complex situation involving some large players but also many smaller nations who play an integral role in each sides position.

Originally Posted by panama hat

China should be more worried about Russian nukes in their area, rather than waste their time on an island that has the same population as a mainland city

Self evidently retarded comment

Originally Posted by Bonecollector

You know what is concerning is just what sort of game is China playing on Russia. I cannot see any trap already set but I am sure there is one already in the process. A small section of the area around Vladivostok used to be part of Manchuria and to a greater extent, the.

A little fantasy that keeps being pumped out by the US media. China settled all of its border disputes with Russia in the 1990's and finalized it all in the early 2000's. China, Russia and Mongolia do military exercises together in Vostok.

Originally Posted by Bonecollector

A small section of the area around Vladivostok used to be part of Manchuria and to a greater extent, there are communities of Manchu ethnicity further up towards northern Siberia.

China has historical claims on a fairly large area, far stronger than their claims over the South China Sea. There might never be a better time for China to press those claims.

Originally Posted by Shutree

China has historical claims on a fairly large area, far stronger than their claims over the South China Sea. There might never be a better time for China to press those claims.

A better time was in the 1990's when Russia was on its knees. Except China settled all of its border disputes with Russia in the 90's instead. And has no claims at all.

This is beyond ridiculous. Hey look China, some barren steppe in eastern Russia. While the US is slowly turning Taiwan into an unsinkable aircraft carrier on their front doorstep. To join with the 40,000 troops and 112 bases that the US already has in South Korea and Japan.

Basically everyone here is nonchalant about another war starting in Asia. (Most probably think it is all saber rattling and a larp) Nobody thinks there should be some negotiation instead ? None ? Yay or nay for negotiation.


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Originally Posted by Backspin

A little fantasy that keeps being pumped out by the US media. China settled all of its border disputes with Russia in the 1990's and finalized it all in the early 2000's. China, Russia and Mongolia do military exercises together in Vostok.

Books are better than reading the media

Originally Posted by Backspin

Except China settled all of its border disputes with Russia in the 90's instead.

Remember this from 1994?

1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and The United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.

^came back to make this very point. If backspins theory was correct, then, we would never have had any wars.

Also, I wonder if you have heard of all the Chinese uni scholarships given to students in Siberia. Why do you think they are doing that? I know of a russian girl from Siberia who got a Chinese uni scholarship and now works in Taiwan. The balls already rolling on this one im afraid.

Good god, backspin/skiddy is a truly clueless moron.

Originally Posted by Bonecollector

If backspins theory was correct

He was voted the forum "bellend" for a reason.

Originally Posted by Bonecollector

Books are better than reading the media

The last book skiddy most likely read was Green Eggs and Ham.