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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    The plane carrying US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi could still take "risk and danger" by attempting to land at a Taiwan airport under the pretense of an emergency such as a technical problem or refueling."
    The plane would then be escorted by Chinese military escort and possibly Taiwan planes. Which would be fun.

    A la the EasyJet plane into Belorussia IIRC, carrying some Russian blogger last year, being shadowed into an airport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    Do you really think she's flying commercial?
    No.

    Which airline would risk being banned from flying into China again? But when image is all to some. It would be one way. Would NaGastan take the risk, would the other passengers be put at risk by NaGastan?

    Would the commercial airline check her "new" fake passport and visa to enter Taiwan, if a visa is required ? Maybe her numerous, armed "protection squad", would give her away.

    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    No need for that, the US Defence Dept. is already obligated to do that. Do you really think Xi is dumb enough to shoot at one of her escorts?
    Without Chinese clearance, any foreign military plane entering Chinese airspace would be an act of war.

    Is NaGastan ready for another military failure.

    What China may attack is up to them. Or maybe a NaGastan submarine may unfortunately hit one of the many "subsea mountains" in the South China Sea.

    The NaGastan subs do have some previous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Without Chinese clearance, any foreign military plane entering Chinese airspace would be an act of war.
    Any Chinese military aircraft entering Taiwanese airspace would also be an act of war numbnuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    Do you really think she's flying commercial?



    No need for that, the US Defence Dept. is already obligated to do that. Do you really think Xi is dumb enough to shoot at one of her escorts?
    He might not have a choice depending on the scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    He might not have a choice depending on the scenario.
    And what might that scenario be, to an idiot like yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    And what might that scenario be, to an idiot like yourself?
    If somehow the US used a decoy plane or something and then it was too late to intercept. Then they'd just have to blow it away.

    Or else be completely humiliated and discredited on the world scene. Those are the 2 options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    If somehow the US used a decoy plane or something and then it was too late to intercept. Then they'd just have to blow it away.
    A decoy plane to do what, exactly?

    Are you aware that Taiwan has their own airspace?

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    - Multiple sources confirm Pelosi will arrive in Taipei Tuesday evening

    - Urgent China warnings and mass mobilization continue

    - Shandong carrier group has left port

    - Taiwan on "high alert"; canceled military leave; mass mobilization underway

    - USS Reagan CSG nearing Taiwan

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    What a bunch of whiny pussies . . .

    Oh oh is just building up to peak whine.

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    China has issued a warning, using the phrase
    "不会坐视不管"

    Meaning "We will not sit idly by"

    The same warning was issued at the Americans in 1950 when they crossed the 38th parallel, resulting in China joining the Korean War https://twitter.com/obsidianstatue1/status/1553136561294028800/photo/1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    China has issued a warning, using the phrase
    "不会坐视不管"

    Meaning "We will not sit idly by"

    The same warning was issued at the Americans in 1950 when they crossed the 38th parallel, resulting in China joining the Korean War https://twitter.com/obsidianstatue1/status/1553136561294028800/photo/1
    Please have the decency to await the arrival of your big boy pants.
    Up to now, your comments have proved to be exceedingly dim, and childish.
    The over reaction of the Chinese leadership comes because they have shown fear about an old woman possibly arriving in a neighbouring country that China has no control over.
    China is beginning to look increasingly foolish. Just like you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    China is continues to look increasingly foolish.
    FTFY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Please have the decency to await the arrival of your big boy pants.
    Up to now, your comments have proved to be exceedingly dim, and childish.
    The over reaction of the Chinese leadership comes because they have shown fear about an old woman possibly arriving in a neighbouring country that China has no control over.
    China is beginning to look increasingly foolish. Just like you are.
    I wish I could use the Fisher Price , my first geopolitics meme on you. But I cant because you don't know what geopolitics even is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Nancy is telling China she will travel where the fuck she wants.

    Pelosi expected to visit Taiwan, Taiwanese and US officials say - CNNPolitics
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    Nancy Pelosi - Our delegation met with Singapore’s Senior Minister Teo Chee Hean.

    In our meeting, our Members saluted Singapore’s commitment to a free & open Indo-Pacific & advancing security & stability in the region. We also learned about Singapore’s efforts to address the climate crisis. https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/st...49967882862595



    Nancy Pelosi: https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    I wish I could use the Fisher Price , my first geopolitics meme on you. But I cant because you don't know what geopolitics even is.
    You are the biggest idiot on TD. You know absolutely fuck all about the aforementioned topics. Literally every time you post here or anywhere else, you prove that you are just a clueless buffoon.

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    Poor old skidmark, how can anyone be so totally out of their depth on *any* subject? *




    * Except Fisher Price, he might be good at that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post

    * Except Fisher Price, he might be good at that one.
    I doubt it.
    I think he is still trying to put a round peg into a square hole. Kindergarten fu*ked him up totally.

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    August 1, 2022 by M. K. BHADRAKUMAR

    China is still playing the long game on Taiwan


    Biden says U.S. willing to use force to defend Taiwan prompting backlash from China-taiwan-768x598-jpg


    Mao Zedong (L) shakes hands with US President Richard Nixon on weeklong visit to China in Feb 1972 in a historic strategic overture

    "The tame ending of the saga of Nancy Pelosi’s trip to Taiwan leaves many intriguing loose ends, although the world is lucky that she didn’t choose to test the authenticity of the Chinese rhetoric.

    Speaking of authenticity, however, a good case can be made that it was President Biden and Pelosi who might have been actually grandstanding. After all, Pelosi is entitled to top secret government briefings and would have had no doubt that it was far too risky for her to visit Taiwan at the present juncture of both heightened tensions in US-China relations as well as a complicated international environment centred around the conflict in Ukraine.

    Furthermore, doesn’t Pelosi enjoy easy access to Biden? They go back a long way in politics. But, apparently, in this case, they preferred using megaphone. It stretches credulity.

    The big question is, what is the real purpose behind such brouhaha over a contrived setting? Three things come to mind. First and foremost, Washington has tested Beijing’s cheekiness to seize the Ukraine conflict as a window of opportunity to annex Taiwan. Although China has repeatedly affirmed that the two situations — Ukraine and Taiwan — have nothing in common, Beijing’s intentions have been under close scrutiny in the US.

    Frankly, therefore, the denouement is not wholly convincing — Pelosi’s apparent decision to stand down. The New York Times still insists that “administration officials say they now expect (Pelosi) will include a stop in Taiwan, despite China’s increasingly sharp warnings in recent days that a visit to the self-governing island would provoke a response, perhaps a military one.” Interestingly, Global Times also does not exclude such a possibility — “It is still possible that Pelosi wants to make a risky and dangerous move by trying to land at a Taiwan airport…”

    The only logical conclusion out of empirical evidence is that left to itself, Beijing is not looking for an alibi to invade Taiwan, but fundamentally adheres to its stated policy of “peaceful reunification.” That said, Washington was effectively left in no doubt that Beijing was issuing much the same “red line” warnings that Moscow also had issued about Ukraine, which the Biden Administration decided to ignore.

    Beijing prefers to believe, though, that Pelosi’s change of plan “could be a result of communication” between her and the White House, the Pentagon and the US Joint Chiefs of Staff.

    Second, China also chooses to believe that President Xi Jinping’s stern warning to President Biden during their phone conversation — ‘those who play with fire will perish by it’ — impacted Biden profoundly, which means that the latter ought to know that he has to exercise caution when it comes to Taiwan.

    In a conversation of two hours and 20 minutes, Biden and Xi would have discussed issues at some length. Yet, despite the tensions rising to a crescendo, the Chinese readout conveyed an appreciable degree of satisfaction.

    The senior US official in the White House who gave a background press call also concluded saying, “the two leaders very specifically tasked their teams to follow up on a number of these areas. There was an exchange at the end about how much work they’d created for their teams in terms of following up on the specific pieces, and again, a conversation about a face-to-face meeting being worked out between the teams.

    “So I would say that… there was very much a clear, affirmative agenda that was put forward and agreed to… by the leaders for the teams to work toward. that’s a really important piece to keep in mind that was, frankly, a pretty significant part of the conversation today.”

    What assurances, if any, Biden held out to Xi we do not know. Without question, the main outcome of the call is that the door opens “to follow up to find a mutually agreeable time” for a face-to-face meeting between Biden and Xi. Conceivably, such a meeting may suit Biden before the US mid-term elections. However, from the Chinese side, there has been no indication — so far at least — regarding a possible meeting between Xi and Biden.

    The senior US official conspicuously played down the “direct and honest conversation” between Biden and Xi regarding Taiwan issue, and detailed how the phone call was “in the works for quite some time” before National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan proposed the idea to Yang Jiechi at their meeting in Luxembourg on June 13.

    Finally, the geopolitical context cannot be overlooked. All the bravado notwithstanding, the US is in no position to fight a war with China today. On the contrary, it is certainly not Beijing’s game plan to seize Taiwan by force when things are going so well for its strategy of peaceful unification. The pressure is really on Washington, as the US’ decline and the shift in relative comprehensive national power vis-a-vis China may only become more pronounced with the passage of time.

    Within the US itself, even hawkish opinion-makers on China criticised Pelosi’s move. Former President Donald Trump was devastating: “Why is Nancy Pelosi getting involved with China and Taiwan other than to make trouble and more money, possibly involving insider trading and information, for her cheatin’ husband?

    “Everything she touches turns to Chaos, Disruption, and ‘Crap’… the China mess is the last thing she should be involved in — she will only make it worse. Crazy Nancy just inserts herself and causes great friction and hatred. She is such a mess!”

    To be sure, given the recession and the spectre of economic collapse, and the political turmoil that may ensue, none of the US’ European allies (including the UK) is enthusiastic today about a war with China. The Biden Administration is in no position to rally their support for what would have to be a far more punishing sanctions regime against China.

    In fact, the US will face complete isolation in the international community for precipitating such a risky misadventure that could bring the roof down on the world economy. China is an engine of growth for the world economy.

    In retrospect, the Taiwanese-American journalist Brian Hioe had an interesting “take” when he told Amy Goodman at Democracy Now! in an interview last Wednesday that it is a “a very good question” as to how the authorities in Taipei are reacting to the seamless speculations as to how such a contrived standoff with China over Taiwan with no rational end in view, as a spinoff from the disarray in US domestic politics.

    Brian Hioe said: “I think what is noteworthy is the Tsai administration has not made a politically strong statement on the possibilities of the visit… Tsai administration would actually play it low-key… How much of a red carpet will be rolled out for Pelosi? I don’t know.” Taipei probably anticipated that it could as well turn out to be a non-event."

    https://www.indianpunchline.com/chin...ame-on-taiwan/

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    She’s getting closer

    Pelosi Statement on Congressional Delegation Visit to Malaysia

    AUGUST 2, 2022

    Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia – Speaker Nancy Pelosi issued this statement on the Congressional delegation's visit to Malaysia:

    “Today, our Congressional delegation was honored to be received by Prime Minister Ismail Sabri and Foreign Minister Saifuddin. We engaged in wide-ranging discussion on advancing our shared goals for a free and secure Indo-Pacific.

    “The Prime Minister’s meeting followed an inter-parliamentary exchange presided over by Speaker of the Malaysian Parliament Azhar Harun. The discussion included security challenges, economic opportunities and governance priorities.

    “In each of our meetings, we extended an appreciation for Malaysia’s vote at the United Nations on Russia’s aggression and their leadership in ASEAN on repudiating Burma for its deadly crackdown on dissent.

    “Our governance conversations centered on integrity in government, addressing the climate crisis and fighting COVID.

    “We agreed to continue collaborating on our shared security interests, economic priorities, trade, human trafficking and climate issues.

    “The visit was very productive, and we thank Ambassador Brian D. McFeeters and the Embassy staff for making it so.”

    ____________

    Nancy Pelosi - After our Congressional delegation arrived in Kuala Lumpur, we met with the U.S. Marine detachment at @USEmbassyKL

    We proudly expressed the thanks of the Congress and our Country for the selfless service of our men and women in uniform.


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    Singapore and Malaysia done, Taiwan tonight. Up in the AM for meeting with President Tsai Ing-wen and probably a few Legislative Yuan folks then off to South Korea then Japan.

    Nancy giving China a big .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    I wish I could use the Fisher Price , my first geopolitics meme on you. But I cant because you don't know what geopolitics even is.
    Would you like another shovel young man? Perhaps a bigger one, so you can dig that hole deeper, and look even more stupid?
    According to China, the state of Taiwan does not even exist. They do get excited about such a place being visited by an old woman.

    Memes are for the amusement of children. You certainly found your level of immaturity quickly didn’t you? Well done young man. Do let us know when you graduate from kindergarten.

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    I have news for you. Tanks can’t swim, and Nancy is certainly not crapping herself at the thought of a handful of ‘protestors’.

    You are so desperate for some action over this, your life must be so sad without such gossip Queen activity that you try so hard to create?

    Your thread has been dog housed, and you have been owned over it, but here you are still digging.

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    Nancy Pelosi's looming Taiwan trip is a high-risk, high-reward gambit that could cement her legacy and rile China

    If US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi pushes ahead with a visit to Taipei this week, it will create the greatest test of Chinese and American resolve over Taiwan in more than three decades, putting immense pressure on the world's two most powerful men.

    Pelosi, who is second in the line of succession to the presidency after Vice-President Kamala Harris, is on a tour through Asia, with Singapore, Malaysia, South Korea and Japan on the itinerary.

    Biden says U.S. willing to use force to defend Taiwan prompting backlash from China-4e6c1de671729c701455e36bfafd66fb-jpg


    While she's made no public mention of Taiwan, a quick stopover is widely expected to happen.

    Arguably the most influential woman in US politics, Pelosi is organising the trip to presumably meet her host, the most powerful woman in the Chinese-speaking world, Taiwan's leader Tsai Ing-wen.

    From the perspective of Taiwan's government, the trip is a much-needed show of support from Washington in the face of increasing Chinese diplomatic and military pressure on the self-ruled island.

    But it's inadvertently revealed the divisions at the top of America's government over the handling of China's most sensitive issue.

    US President Joe Biden, who is Pelosi's commander-in-chief and party leader, is not even willing to publicly back his Democratic colleague's visit.
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    Speculation over the US House Speaker's potential Taiwan visit has angered Beijing.

    So with the US President largely left on the sidelines, it's the legacy building by both Pelosi and Chinese President Xi Jinping that has brought things to a head.

    While Pelosi's time at the top is running out, Xi is hoping this year is the beginning of a second decade at the helm.
    'It's her last chance'

    At 82, Pelosi's potential visit is being seen as a move to cap a career focused on human rights, which commenced with her unfurling a banner in Beijing's Tiananmen Square 31 years ago.

    For decades she's been a constant critic of the Chinese government and has often aligned with the more hawkish voices in the US on Taiwan.

    "She wants to do this now because it's her last chance," David Smith, from the United States Studies Centre at the University of Sydney, told the ABC.

    "It's highly likely the Republicans will win midterm elections this year, they'll take back control of the House, and at 82, this is likely the end of her tenure as Speaker of the House of Representatives."

    Dr Smith noted that the White House could not control her overseas trips but might be pressuring her not to go.
    Joe Biden with a slight smile on his face watches Nancy Pelosi gesticulate
    Joe Biden's White House has reportedly warned Nancy Pelosi that her potential trip to Taiwan risks worsening tensions between the US and China. (Reuters: Jonathan Ernst)

    "If she doesn't end up going to Taiwan, I expect there will be a huge discourse about how the Biden administration is backing down and being humiliated," he said.
    Taiwanese leader making bold moves

    While Taiwan's government has been low key in its public comments about the possible visit, President Tsai Ing-wen has been the other driving force behind the trip.

    She's been highly diplomatically active this year, hosting delegations of US senators, congress members and senior retired officials.

    Just last week, she met two former Australian defence ministers, Christopher Pyne and Kevin Andrews, and hosted former prime minister Tony Abbott last year.

    Tsai is often mocked and detested in Chinese government media as a "separatist" — despite having no plans to declare formal independence.

    And so the sight of her and Pelosi together would infuriate Chinese nationalists and create demands for a strong response.

    "It would be a show of support for Taiwan," Sow Keat Tok, of the University of Melbourne's Asia Institute, said.

    "It would definitely be a big punch in the face for Beijing, and anything of that sort would constitute a victory for Tsai Ing-wen.

    "Compared to 25 years ago when the last house speaker visited, Xi has crafted a message that China has already risen, so a visit would be a much bigger affront now than in the 1990s.

    "Especially as he portrays himself as the great protector of the Chinese nation."

    Had Pelosi visited in April as originally planned, it's doubtful the trip would have caused as much of a stir.
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    Tsai Ing-wen is said to be the other driving force behind Ms Pelosi's potential visit.(Reuters: Annabelle Chih)

    China's government strongly condemned it, but heated talk of intercepting or even shooting down her plane was absent.

    A positive COVID-19 test ended up scuttling her visit then.

    But the advanced leaking of plans for a rescheduled trip — including by some Biden administration figures opposed to the visit — presented a golden opportunity for Xi to prod US divisions.

    And on the home front, China's leader can't afford to look weak.
    Xi's tricky path ahead

    China's economy is struggling and he's facing some discontent over an endless and restrictive COVID-zero policy.
    Xi Jinping in a black coat
    Xi Jinping recently warned Joe Biden not to "play with fire" over Taiwan.(Reuters: Darrin Zammit Lupi)

    But he's also in a political struggle behind closed doors.

    Having spent his decade in power fanning Chinese nationalism and boosting the country's rapidly growing military might, Xi is a few months away from likely cementing a third term in power.

    While he's astute at keeping a cap on public dissent, it's unlikely his precedent-breaking bid to stay in power hasn't caused some pushback within the Communist Party — and possibly the military.

    The potential sight of two women that his propaganda agencies have long targeted for heavy criticism meeting together in Taipei highlights how little progress Xi has made in further isolating the island.

    For all the war talk he has fanned— "Prepare for war! Towards war! We are ready at any moment" screamed one headline this week — and for all the military drills he has ordered, such as four live-fire exercises this week, Xi has still come up short.
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    While Nancy Pelosi has confirmed a tour through Asia, her announcement of the trip left Taiwan off the list. (AP: Andy Wong)

    He has failed to dissuade key foreign governments to widen their diplomatic distance from Taipei.

    His earlier success in poaching small diplomatic allies from Taiwan would be offset by a senior American congressional delegation that still doesn't fear the sabre rattling or warnings to stay away.

    "China is losing the diplomatic game and the PR game and they are definitely losing their bid for the hearts and minds of people in Taiwan," Dr Tok said.

    "So while I think they're really losing the game for a peaceful takeover, militarily, China is slowly getting the upper hand.

    "And that will definitely raise the risk of conflict."

    Some experts believe China's tough talk and military drills in response to the trip could result in the most severe crisis since the US sailed multiple carrier battle groups into the Taiwan Strait in 1996 to deter Chinese missile tests.

    But while Xi beats the drums of war with military drills and heated language in state media, most analysts think he has no desire for a conflict or confrontation now.

    But Dr Sow Keat Tok isn't so sure.

    "It's very easy to dismiss it as sabre rattling, but it may not be sabre rattling when it comes to the crunch, and nobody really knows when that crunch is," he said.

    "Common sense is we tend to be dismissive of it, that we think China is playing the bluff, but I think it's time we start taking China's words seriously."

    https://www.abc. net.au/news/2022-08-02/nancy-pelosi-in-taiwan-could-upset-china-xi-jinping/101288156


    https://www.abc.net. au/news/2022-08-02/nancy-pelosi-to-arrive-in-taiwan-amid-tensions/14000864

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    Some reports that she has landed in Taiwan.

    I guess we'll give Xi some time to respond.

    Xi cucked. That makes Russia the only power that is willing to challenge the US. Putin is now more powerful than Xi.

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