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    China assistant foreign minister

    "The US & Taiwan have made provocations together first, whereas China has been compelled to act in self-defense. Any countermeasure to be taken by China would be a justified & necessary response to the US oblivion to China's repeated démarches and the US’s unscrupulous behavior."

    https://twitter.com/SpokespersonCHN/...938921474?s=19

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    Nancy Pelosi - Our visit reiterates that America stands with Taiwan: a robust, vibrant democracy and our important partner in the Indo-Pacific. https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/st...96902812602370



    US Navy deploys warships east of Taiwan ahead of Pelosi ‘trip’





    Washington Post Op-Ed by Speaker Nancy Pelosi Why I’m leading a congressional delegation to Taiwan

    AUGUST 2, 2022

    Nancy Pelosi, a Democrat from California, is speaker of the House of Representatives.

    Some 43 years ago, the United States Congress overwhelmingly passed — and President Jimmy Carter signed into law — the Taiwan Relations Act, one of the most important pillars of U.S. foreign policy in the Asia Pacific.

    The Taiwan Relations Act set out America’s commitment to a democratic Taiwan, providing the framework for an economic and diplomatic relationship that would quickly flourish into a key partnership. It fostered a deep friendship rooted in shared interests and values: self-determination and self-government, democracy and freedom, human dignity and human rights.

    And it made a solemn vow by the United States to support the defense of Taiwan: “to consider any effort to determine the future of Taiwan by other than peaceful means … a threat to the peace and security of the Western Pacific area and of grave concern to the United States.”

    Today, America must remember that vow. We must stand by Taiwan, which is an island of resilience. Taiwan is a leader in governance: currently, in addressing the covid-19 pandemic and championing environmental conservation and climate action. It is a leader in peace, security and economic dynamism: with an entrepreneurial spirit, culture of innovation and technological prowess that are envies of the world.

    Yet, disturbingly, this vibrant, robust democracy — named one of the freest in the world by Freedom House and proudly led by a woman, President Tsai Ing-wen — is under threat.

    In recent years, Beijing has dramatically intensified tensions with Taiwan. The People’s Republic of China (PRC) has ramped up patrols of bombers, fighter jets and surveillance aircraft near and even over Taiwan’s air defense zone, leading the U.S. Defense Department to conclude that China’s army is “likely preparing for a contingency to unify Taiwan with the PRC by force.”

    The PRC has also taken the fight into cyberspace, launching scores of attacks on Taiwan government agencies each day. At the same time, Beijing is squeezing Taiwan economically, pressuring global corporations to cut ties with the island, intimidating countries that cooperate with Taiwan, and clamping down on tourism from the PRC.

    In the face of the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) accelerating aggression, our congressional delegation’s visit should be seen as an unequivocal statement that America stands with Taiwan, our democratic partner, as it defends itself and its freedom.

    Our visit — one of several congressional delegations to the island — in no way contradicts the long-standing one-China policy, guided by the Taiwan Relations Act of 1979, the U.S.-China Joint Communiques and the Six Assurances. The United States continues to oppose unilateral efforts to change the status quo.

    Our visit is part of our broader trip to the Pacific — including Singapore, Malaysia, South Korea and Japan — focused on mutual security, economic partnership and democratic governance. Our discussions with our Taiwanese partners will focus on reaffirming our support for the island and promoting our shared interests, including advancing a free and open Indo-Pacific region. America’s solidarity with Taiwan is more important today than ever — not only to the 23 million people of the island but also to millions of others oppressed and menaced by the PRC.

    Thirty years ago, I traveled in a bipartisan congressional delegation to China, where, in Tiananmen Square, we unfurled a black-and-white banner that read, “To those who died for democracy in China.” Uniformed police pursued us as we left the square. Since then, Beijing’s abysmal human rights record and disregard for the rule of law continue, as President Xi Jinping tightens his grip on power.

    The CCP’s brutal crackdown against Hong Kong’s political freedoms and human rights — even arresting Catholic Cardinal Joseph Zen — cast the promises of “one-country, two-systems” into the dustbin. In Tibet, the CCP has long led a campaign to erase the Tibetan people’s language, culture, religion and identity. In Xinjiang, Beijing is perpetrating genocide against Muslim Uyghurs and other minorities. And throughout the mainland, the CCP continues to target and arrest activists, religious-freedom leaders and others who dare to defy the regime.

    We cannot stand by as the CCP proceeds to threaten Taiwan — and democracy itself.

    Indeed, we take this trip at a time when the world faces a choice between autocracy and democracy. As Russia wages its premeditated, illegal war against Ukraine, killing thousands of innocents — even children — it is essential that America and our allies make clear that we never give in to autocrats.

    When I led a congressional delegation to Kyiv in April — the highest-level U.S. visit to the besieged nation — I conveyed to President Volodymyr Zelensky that we admired his people’s defense of democracy for Ukraine and for democracy worldwide.

    By traveling to Taiwan, we honor our commitment to democracy: reaffirming that the freedoms of Taiwan — and all democracies — must be respected.




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    Much ado about nothing.

    I can't understand why the President shouldn't have the final say on this trip? A British, Canadian, or Aussie P.M. would never allow a final decision related to foreign policy to be made by any less than the leader of the country. This is a strange 'division of power'. Only in America I guess.

    I don't believe for one moment that any of this is going to precipitate a war.
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    Reuters reports she has safely arrived in Taiwan.

    "With tensions already high, several Chinese warplanes flew close to the median line dividing the Taiwan Strait on Tuesday morningbefore leaving later in the day, a source told Reuters."


    August 2, 2022 11:01 PM GMT+7Last Updated 3 min ago

    Pelosi arrives in Taiwan, voicing U.S. 'solidarity' as China fumes

    By Yimou Lee

    and Sarah Wu

    • Chinese warplanes buzz Taiwan Strait dividing line
    • U.S. House speaker's visit has enraged Beijing
    • Beijing insists self-ruled Taiwan is part of China

    TAIPEI, Aug 2 (Reuters) -

    "U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi arrived in Taiwan late on Tuesday on a trip she said was intended to express American solidarity with the Chinese-claimed island, the first such visit in 25 years and one that risks pushing relations between Washington and Beijing to a new low.

    Pelosi and her delegation disembarked from a U.S. Air Force transport plan at Songshan Airport in downtown Taipei and were greeted by Taiwan's foreign minister, Joseph Wu and Sandra Oudkirk, the top U.S. representative in Taiwan.

    "Our congressional delegation's visit to Taiwan honors America's unwavering commitment to supporting Taiwan's vibrant democracy," Pelosi said in a statement shortly after landing. "America's solidarity with the 23 million people of Taiwan is more important today than ever, as the world faces a choice between autocracy and democracy."

    China immediately condemned Pelosi's visit, with the foreign ministry saying it seriously damages peace and stability in the Taiwan Strait, "has a severe impact on the political foundation of China-U.S. relations, and seriously infringes upon China's sovereignty and territorial integrity." The ministry said it had lodged a strong protest with the United States.

    Chinese warplanes buzzed the line dividing the Taiwan Strait on Tuesday before her arrival, and Chinese state media said People's Liberation Army would hold exercises near Taiwan from Thursday through Sunday.

    Pelosi, who is second in the line of succession to the U.S. presidency and a long-time critic of Beijing, was on a tour of Asia that includes announced visits to Singapore, Malaysia, South Korea and Japan. Her stop in Taiwan had not been announced but had been widely anticipated.

    In a Washington Post opinion piece released shortly after she landed, Pelosi outlined her reasons for visiting, praising Taiwan's commitment to democratic government while criticizing China as having dramatically increased tensions with Taiwan in recent years.
    "We cannot stand by as the CCP proceeds to threaten Taiwan - and democracy itself," Pelosi said, referring to the Chinese Communist Party.

    Pelosi also cited China's "brutal crackdown" against political dissent in Hong Kong, as well as its treatment of Muslim Uighurs and other minorities, which the United States has deemed genocide.

    Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said earlier on Tuesday that U.S. politicians who "play with fire" on the Taiwan issue will "come to no good end".
    White House national security spokesperson John Kirby said after Pelosi's arrival that the United States "is not going to be intimidated" by threats or bellicose rhetoric from China. Kirby said the visit is not a violation of either any sovereignty issues or America's longstanding "one-China policy."

    "There's no reason for this visit to become a spurring event for a crisis or conflict," Kirby added.

    Taiwan's presidential office said President Tsai Ing-wen will meet with Pelosi on Wednesday morning and would have lunch with her. Four sources said she was also scheduled on Wednesday afternoon to meet a group of activists who are outspoken about China's human rights record.

    Pelosi, 82, is a close ally of U.S. President Joe Biden, both being members of the Democratic Party, and has been a key figure in guiding his legislative agenda through the U.S. Congress.

    On Tuesday night, Taiwan's tallest building, Taipei 101, lit up with messages including: "Welcome to Taiwan", "Speaker Pelosi", "Taiwan (heart) USA".

    With tensions already high, several Chinese warplanes flew close to the median line dividing the Taiwan Strait on Tuesday morning before leaving later in the day, a source told Reuters. Several Chinese warships have also sailed near the unofficial dividing line since Monday and remained there, the source said.

    U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi waves after attending a meeting with Malaysia's Parliament Speaker Azhar Azizan Harun at Malaysian Houses of Parliament in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, August 2, 2022. Malaysian Department of Information/Nazri Rapaai/Handout via

    The Chinese aircraft repeatedly conducted tactical moves of briefly "touching" the median line and circling back to the other side of the strait while Taiwanese aircraft were on standby nearby, the person said.

    Neither side's aircraft normally cross the median line.

    Four U.S. warships, including the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan, were positioned in waters east of Taiwan on what the U.S. Navy called routine deployments. The carrier had transited the South China Sea and was now in the Philippines Sea, east of Taiwan and the Philippines and south of Japan, a U.S. Navy official told Reuters.

    It was operating with the guided missile cruiser USS Antietam and destroyer USS Higgins, with the amphibious assault ship USS Tripoli also in the area.
    Since last week, China's PLA has conducted various exercises, including live-fire drills, in the South China Sea, Yellow Sea and Bohai Sea, in a show of Chinese military might.

    China views visits by U.S. officials to Taiwan as sending an encouraging signal to the pro-independence camp on the democratic, self-governed island. Beijing considers Taiwan to be part of its territory and has never renounced using force to bring the island under its control. Taiwan rejects China's sovereignty claims and says only its people can decide the island's future.

    The United States has no official diplomatic relations with Taiwan but is bound by American law to provide the island with the means to defend itself.

    'STATE PROVOCATEUR'

    Russia - itself locked in confrontation with the West over its invasion of Ukraine - also chimed in on Pelosi's expected visit. Maria Zakharova, Russia's foreign ministry spokeswoman, said the visit was a provocative U.S. attempt to pile pressure on China, a country with which Russia has forged a strong partnership in recent years.
    "The USA is a state provocateur," Zakharova said. "Russia confirms the principle of 'one China' and opposes the independence of the island in any form."

    Earlier on Tuesday, Pelosi visited Malaysia, having begun her Asia tour in Singapore on Monday. Her office said she would also go to South Korea and Japan but made no mention of a Taiwan visit.
    Taiwan's Defence Ministry said it had a full grasp of military activities near Taiwan and that it would dispatch forces appropriately in reaction to "enemy threats".

    China's defence and foreign ministries did not respond to requests for comment.

    In the southeastern Chinese city of Xiamen, which lies opposite Taiwan and has a large military presence, residents reported sightings of armoured vehicles.

    During a phone call last Thursday, Chinese President Xi Jinping warned Biden that Washington should abide by the one-China principle and "those who play with fire will perish by it". Biden told Xi that U.S. policy on Taiwan had not changed and that Washington strongly opposes unilateral efforts to change the status quo or undermine peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait.

    Bonnie Glaser, a Taiwan expert at the German Marshall Fund of the United States, told reporters in a call that the damage to American-Chinese relations done by the Pelosi visit would be hard to repair.

    "We all know how bad this relationship has been in the past year. And I just think that this visit by Nancy Pelosi is just going to take it to a new low," Glaser said. "And I think that it's going to be very difficult to recover from that."


    Pelosi arrives in Taiwan, voicing U.S. '''solidarity''' as China fumes | Reuters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    China is far from fine with status quo. They have over the years stated Taiwan belongs to China and will be taken if necessary by force.

    Until 1978 when the criminal Nixon did his thing there were lots of boots on the ground in Taiwan. I was one of them in the 60s. Boots on a ROCN ship.

    Joe is spot on declaring if the PRC invades Taiwan, US boots on the ground will follow.
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    China condemns Pelosi visit as a serious violation

    China's Foreign Affairs Ministry has strongly condemned Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan, calling it a "serious violation of the One-China principle" that will have a "severe impact" on the political foundation of China-US relations.

    In a statement, the ministry said Pelosi's visit "seriously infringes upon China's sovereignty and territorial integrity".

    "It gravely undermines peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait, and sends a seriously wrong signal to the separatist forces for 'Taiwan independence'", the ministry said.

    China strongly urged the US to "stop playing the 'Taiwan card' and interfering in China's internal affairs", and to "not go further down the wrong and dangerous path".

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    Much ado about nothing.

    I can't understand why the President shouldn't have the final say on this trip? A British, Canadian, or Aussie P.M. would never allow a final decision related to foreign policy to be made by any less than the leader of the country. This is a strange 'division of power'. Only in America I guess.

    I don't believe for one moment that any of this is going to precipitate a war.
    Russia doing exercises on the border of Ukraine was nothing too. Until it wasn't. Taiwan is a guaranteed war within the decade. Unless China wants to be known as the biggest cuck in history. There is not an iota of room between the sides. The US will think its only time is now.

    China should not have made the public threats if it wasn't going to carry out with them. They are still making threats right now.

    Should China just let the US dock aircraft carriers on Taiwan next ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    In a statement, the ministry said Pelosi's visit "seriously infringes upon China's sovereignty and territorial integrity".
    Her visit per se does not but China's reaction is fully expected. Taiwan and it's independant form of government is deeply rooted in the DNA of the communist party as an unfinished conclusion of it's Mao led civil war which resulted in the relocation of the ROC from the mainland in 1949.

    Hence, Xi is forced to make a strong response to appease members of the CCP. The guys that keep him in power. The degree of China's response is yet to be determined but doubt a serious attempt to invade will happen even though China percieves the US is operationally shifting away from it's One China agreement.

    Although Pelosi, as the leader of the house, has the right to visit Taiwan I don't think it is a smart move. Certainly not helping the dismal state of current US/China relations.

    Folks in Taiwan are split over her visit but most support it. Spoke with an old friend in Taiwan yesterday. He said all the war talk doesn't bother him. He is used to it as it has been going on for years. Nothing new here.
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    What good would her visit do to solve the world's problems during the time when the whole human race is exposed to disease and the threat of war in many regions not to mention the events in Ukraine.

    Absolute lunacy.

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    Just like I said, China didn't do shit. Skiddy is looking once again like the clueless buffoon he is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Should China just let
    China does not own USA or Taiwan, therefore they do not need to 'let' either country do anything. It aint up to them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Just like I said, China didn't do shit. Skiddy is looking once again like the clueless buffoon he is.

    :
    All I was conveying was how serious the stakes were and still are. And how fucking stupid the US is for provoking it for no reason.

    Just like Ukraine. The US is going to force China to eventually attack Taiwan. And if they left it alone , like not doing retardation like this , it would not happen.

    As China said today , the US has now started it.

    Xi could have at least bombed one airport runway in Taipei. Or something like that. But he chickened out. And empire baby weasels like you are gloating. We will see if he chickens out next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWilly View Post
    China does not own USA or Taiwan, therefore they do not need to 'let' either country do anything. It aint up to them!
    Yup just like how the US let Cuba host Soviet missiles in 1962.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Just like Ukraine. The US is going to force China to eventually attack Taiwan. And if they left it alone , like not doing retardation like this , it would not happen.
    As I have stated before, you are a clueless buffoon. China has no right to dictate who goes where in the world, and their threats were just empty bluster as usual. Pelosi had every right to visit Taiwan and that is the end of the story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Xi could have at least bombed one airport runway in Taipei. Or something like that. But he chickened out.
    A clueless buffoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    As I have stated before, you are a clueless buffoon. China has no right to dictate who goes where in the world, and their threats were just empty bluster as usual. Pelosi had every right to visit Taiwan and that is the end of the story.



    A clueless buffoon.
    You sir , are a fucking moron.

    It's only a matter of when the war starts. 5 years or 10. And it was demonstrated who started it

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    China could have at least bombed one runway in Taipei. Let her find a runway that isn't bombed. Similar to how Iran bombed the US base in Iraq. Just one symbolic strike. But the Chinese are too chicken shit I guess.

    There would have been no downside to bombing one runway in Taipei.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Xi could have at least bombed one airport runway in Taipei. Or something like that. But he chickened out. And empire baby weasels like you are gloating. We will see if he chickens out next time.
    You've called some of us warmongers, yet you're upset because Xi didn't start WW3 today? Do fuck off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    You sir , are a fucking moron.
    You are in no place to judge anyone's intellect, being that you are the dumbest fuck on the forum.

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    Nancy Pelosi - It is my great and humble privilege to accept on behalf of the Congress the Order of Propitious Clouds with Special Grand Cordon: a symbol of America’s strong and enduring friendship with Taiwan.

    Join me & President @iingwen for this special presentation.: https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/st...55390876434432



    If they don’t edit it again it should start at about 38:00 into the video



    ___________

    Just for fun.




    Flightradar24, which shows real-time aircraft flight tracking information on a map for users, said in a tweet that because of "unprecedented sustained tracking interest' in SPAR19, the U.S. military plane Pelosi was reportedly traveling on, its services were "under extremely heavy load."

    As she traveled on her tour of Asia this week that was rumored to include the then-unverified visit, interest in her route was high as Flightradar24 showed that more than 320,000 people were watching the flight path of SPAR19 at one point Tuesday morning, making it the most tracked flight in the world.

    In a statement to Newsweek, a spokesperson for Flightradar24 said that 708,000 users were following SPAR19 as it landed in Taipei, the most simultaneous followers of any flight ever on the site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    You've called some of us warmongers, yet you're upset because Xi didn't start WW3 today? Do fuck off.
    Hahaha you are total fucking war mongers. China said there would be war if pelosi visited and you supported her visiting ! Turns out China didn't mean it. But there will still be war eventually. More obvious than Ukraine was.

    This is how all wars start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Hahaha you are total fucking war mongers. China said there would be war if pelosi visited and you supported her visiting ! Turns out China didn't mean it.
    You're the one that's upset it didn't start today, not me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post

    This is how all wars start.
    Tell us more, General Schwarzkopf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    China impotent but pretends to play the 'long game'.
    China is the long game. Like it or not.

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    Note that we never talk about DNA when we are talking about the Russians. This is because, bottom line, Russians and Americans share the same fundamental DNA. Herein lies the greatest threat to the continuation of human civilization. I figure we had better get on with erasing our differences with the Russkies so we can on with the Chinese.


    Damn but that sure does sound racist does it not?

    I just may be guilty.

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