Thread: Biden says U.S. willing to use force to defend Taiwan prompting backlash from China

Excellent watch...

Originally Posted by panama hat

And an excellent pictorial of why China is worried about US naval presence, quite rightly so.

China is the aggressor here and not the other way around. As the admiral stated in the video, this is about freedom of travel in international territory. It is China that is attempting to impede that in the South China Sea and other places.

Originally Posted by bsnub

China is the aggressor here and not the other way around. As the admiral stated in the video, this is about freedom of travel in international territory. It is China that is attempting to impede that in the South China Sea and other places.

You're not seeing the bigger picture. Of course China's actions in the SCS are unacceptable . . . but their fear of being boxed in and cut off from supply lines is real . . .

Originally Posted by panama hat

You're not seeing the bigger picture.

Oh, but I am.

Originally Posted by panama hat

but their fear of being boxed in and cut off from supply lines is real . . .

The only way any supply lines would be cut is if CHINA causes them to be cut. Plain and simple.

Originally Posted by bsnub

The only way any supply lines would be cut is if CHINA causes them to be cut. Plain and simple.

That's both irrelevant and incorrect, far from plain and simple snubby. If the US sees China as a bigger and growing threat action will be taken, history proves that. China knows this and wants to avoid that - plus all they have to do is look at the encirclement of Iran.

Sometimes it is worthwhile looking at an issue from more than one angle. China feels vulnerable and is full of bluster because they know that they ARE vulnerable.

Originally Posted by panama hat

If the US sees China as a bigger and growing threat action will be taken, history proves that.

So you are insinuating that the US would preemptively strike China. That is absurd. Shame you didn't bother watching the video, the Admiral pretty clearly outlines the issue at hand, and it is one of China interfering with freedom of movement in international territory.

Originally Posted by panama hat

You're not seeing the bigger picture. Of course China's actions in the SCS are unacceptable . . . but their fear of being boxed in and cut off from supply lines is real . . .

and I agree on this as well. I totally understand where the CCP are coming from, I loathe the regime but I do agree, they are being boxed in. This is why SEA and the Kra Canal are so important to them and definitely their end game in Thailand. Laos, Cambodia and Thailand are of vital importance to them. Not for war, that will be over in a matter of days, but rather for the ability to keep on importing raw materials if the west get super stingy. This is all a long term play by the US. Taking out Russia and Iran are their priority right now, they are China's flanks and without them, well that is game, set and match my Winnie the Pooh looking friend.

^ Yup, pretty much.

Originally Posted by bsnub

So you are insinuating that the US would preemptively strike China. That is absurd. Shame you didn't bother watching the video, the Admiral pretty clearly outlines the issue at hand, and it is one of China interfering with freedom of movement in international territory.

It's not unheard of and yes, I did watch the video. A very straightforward-speaking man . . . who echoes what he is told to say, of course.

Again, you're possibly deliberately being one-sided to the extreme.

I am not sabang, ohwoe or Backspit. Encirclement is a real danger and realistic fear - whether you have the leader of the world's most massive military telling you that you're fine is irrelevant. China's first priority is China and Chinese, part of that is ensuring the flow of goods and oil to China to keep the people fed and the economy running.

Like it or not, snubby, not everyone is ok with the US as the world's policeman.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Like it or not, snubby, not everyone is ok with the US as the world's policeman.

well it ain't going to be ze EU under Ze Chermans standing up to anything

Originally Posted by panama hat

It's not unheard of

The US will not preemptively strike China, the assertion is laughable.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Again, you're possibly deliberately being one-sided to the extreme.

*Sigh*

Originally Posted by panama hat

I am not sabang, ohwoe or Backspit.

In regard to this one narrowly focused conversation, I am starting to wonder about that.

Originally Posted by panama hat

China's first priority is China and Chinese

Thanks for that groundbreaking revelation.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Like it or not, snubby, not everyone is ok with the US as the world's policeman.

Tough titties. China is in violation of international law and someone needs to hold them accountable. The US will not just cede the SCS to Xi and the CCP bastards. The fact is that the US is the only country that can push back on China regarding this issue, and it will continue to do so. The CCP can stomp its wittle feet all it wants, it will not change that reality.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Like it or not, snubby, not everyone is ok with the US as the world's policeman.

Sure, but then, if anyone prefers to see China in that role, he is deeply delusional. Given the alternatives I take the US any day, as long as they can keep Trump out.

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Sure, but then, if anyone prefers to see China in that role, he is deeply delusional. Given the alternatives I take the US any day, as long as they can keep Trump out.

Absolutely, something which snubbs seems to think is not compatible.

Originally Posted by bsnub

In regard to this one narrowly focused conversation, I am starting to wonder about that.

'narrowly focused'? It's about why China acts the way it does from a different perspective - just accept that the western narrative isn't the only narrative around.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Thanks for that groundbreaking revelation.

You needed it. Stop going full-seppo all the time, you lose sight of other views that don't even clash with yours

Not at all disagreeing with you, Norts . . . my point was that if we can't/don't understand actions and only look at them through our lens . . .

Originally Posted by bsnub

Excellent watch...

Here's an excellent watch. Keep in mind that Taiwan will be a local conflict for China.

Originally Posted by Backspin

Keep in mind that Taiwan will be a local conflict for China.

What's there to keep in mind . . .

Originally Posted by panama hat

What's there to keep in mind . . .

He is such an epic level clown.

The ruzzian army started the war in Ukraine with more tanks than Ukraine now not so much. The chinese navy is shit, just like the ruzzian army. They will get their clocks cleaned by the US Navy.

Today is day 2 of #China's 3 day “Taiwan encirclement sharp sword exercise

China should be more worried about Russian nukes in their area, rather than waste their time on an island that has the same population as a mainland city

Originally Posted by bsnub

The chinese navy is shit, just like the ruzzian army. They will get their clocks cleaned by the US Navy.

Navy dept doesn't share your opinione Snubs. They view the Chinese Navy a very formidable and rapidly improving force.

Originally Posted by Norton

They view the Chinese Navy a very formidable and rapidly improving force.

They felt that way about the ruzzians too before the war in Ukraine. I can assure you they do not have that same opinion now. The Chinese military has the same top-heavy organizational structure, uses the same soviet doctrine, and has the same issues with corruption as the ruzzians.

If the Admirals in the US went around saying China was a paper tiger, they would not get their big ships built.

Originally Posted by bsnub

If the Admirals in the US went around saying China was a paper tiger, they would not get their big ships built.

That about nails it. What military is going to tell their governments they *don't* need more toys?

Originally Posted by bsnub

They felt that way about the ruzzians too before the war in Ukraine. I can assure you they do not have that same opinion now. The Chinese military has the same top-heavy organizational structure, uses the same soviet doctrine, and has the same issues with corruption as the ruzzians.

If the Admirals in the US went around saying China was a paper tiger, they would not get their big ships built.