Biden says U.S. willing to use force to defend Taiwan prompting backlash from China

**pickel** · 15-04-2023, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Backspin

It is a civil war.

I guess the Russian military and Wagner Group can fuck off home then. You silly turd.

**Norton** · 15-04-2023, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Backspin

This has nothing to do with China and Taiwan. It has to do with the US and Taiwan.

It has everything to do with China and Taiwan! No idea what you are on about?

Originally Posted by Backspin

What is China supposed to do when the US starts building naval bases on the island ?

If/when that happens guess we will know won't we?

**Norton** · 15-04-2023, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by panama hat

And were the US not to exist or enter an insular phase then Europe would still unite.

They would indeed. Already have to a great degree. Economically via the EU and NATO would carry on in some form with or without the US.

Question is, would it have the military and economical where with all to defend an all out invasion if the US, as they did in the early days of ww2, remain nuetral?

**Backspin** · 15-04-2023, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

It has everything to do with China and Taiwan! No idea what you are on about?

China has done 2 major military blockading exercises of Taiwan. One was when Nany Pelosi landed in Taiwan last year. And the other was 2 days ago when President Tsai Ing-wen met with U.S. House Speaker Kevin McCarthy. If you take the US out of the equation, there is no conflict between China and Taiwan.

If/when that happens guess we will know won't we?

China told the US very firmly that Pelosi should not visit Taiwan. The US did it anyway. China let them get away with it. Now the US will move onto the next step. The US is just going to keep going and daring China to do anything about it. It is already a war. Just the fighting hasn't started yet.

**aging one** · 15-04-2023, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Backspin

If you take the US out of the equation, there is no conflict between China and Taiwan.

Is that so?

**Backspin** · 15-04-2023, 01:27 PM

It is amazing to watch. Just like Lizz Truss visiting Moscow. Don't you dare invade Ukraine.

Invasion of Taiwan would be a ‘horror scenario’, says German foreign minister

Yeah so how about you stop doing the one thing that guarantees it?

**Switch** · 15-04-2023, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

They would indeed. Already have to a great degree. Economically via the EU and NATO would carry on in some form with or without the US.

Question is, would it have the military and economical where with all to defend an all out invasion if the US, as they did in the early days of ww2, remain nuetral?

The collective might of a combined EU, might well prevaricate, but would eventually stand up for itself. A minor matter of Pearl Harbour proportions might persuade the US to join in?

It is a different world now and the likes of a Putin mindset could prove difficult for the US to avoid joining in.

Just as the US stumbled over involvement in WW2, the EU monolith stumbles over buying oil and gas from somewhere else, and delays the provision of war like materiel to Ukraine. Comparable outcomes I think!

**Switch** · 15-04-2023, 01:44 PM

China has had its fingers burned in a much more amenable climate with Hong Kong.

XI will have to learn some patience over Taiwan. Bullies never win in the end!

**Backspin** · 15-04-2023, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by aging one

Is that so?

Left to their own devices, the status quo would just carry on in perpetuity.

This is from 2015. Can you point to the time where China and Taiwan spontaneously started fighting between 2015 and now that result in the tensions we have today?

Leaders of China and Taiwan meet for first time in nearly seven decades

Leaders of China and Taiwan meet for first time in nearly seven decades | China | The Guardian

The leaders of China and Taiwan met for the first time in almost seven decades on Saturday as Xi Jinping and Ma Ying-jeou began a historic summit in Singapore with a minute-long handshake. “Nothing can separate us,” Xi told his Taiwanese counterpart in brief public remarks following the handshake. “We are one family … We are brothers who are still connected by our flesh even if our bones are broken.

**Switch** · 15-04-2023, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Backspin

Left to their own devices, the status quo would just carry on in perpetuity.

This is from 2015. Can you point to the time where China and Taiwan spontaneously started fighting between 2015 and now that result in the tensions we have today?

Leaders of China and Taiwan meet for first time in nearly seven decades

Leaders of China and Taiwan meet for first time in nearly seven decades | China | The Guardian

The leaders of China and Taiwan met for the first time in almost seven decades on Saturday as Xi Jinping and Ma Ying-jeou began a historic summit in Singapore with a minute-long handshake. “Nothing can separate us,” Xi told his Taiwanese counterpart in brief public remarks following the handshake. “We are one family … We are brothers who are still connected by our flesh even if our bones are broken.

You might want to consider Chinese expansionism in the disputed parts of the Pacific. The appellation of South China Sea is geographic and does not indicate any ownership status.

**bsnub** · 15-04-2023, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Backspin

Umm what.. It is a civil war. The Donbas militia were all born as Ukrainians on paper. The ppl being bombed in Donbas were born Ukrainian

You are a fucking moron pushing kremlin propaganda. All fucking lies, vatnik. Typical trash from one of putins useful idiots.

**Backspin** · 16-04-2023, 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by Switch

You might want to consider Chinese expansionism in the disputed parts of the Pacific. The appellation of South China Sea is geographic and does not indicate any ownership status.

The south China sea issue is full of grey areas. That's true . The 9 dash line does go through some EEZ of other countries.

But we don't even need to discuss that if something as black and white as Taiwan isn't clear to the US.

**39TG** · 16-04-2023, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Seems the bleed over from Ukraine to Taiwan is clear. China will lose just the same as ruzzia is losing. They will never take Taiwan by force as they are a shit paper tiger like ruzzia.

That's how I see it too. Both Russia and China have shitty incompetent leadership.

**bsnub** · 16-04-2023, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by 39TG

Both Russia and China have shitty incompetent leadership.

Indeed, they do, and you do not win wars with leadership like that.

**Backspin** · 16-04-2023, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Indeed, they do, and you do not win wars with leadership like that.

The US never turned the Afghan , Libya or Iraq wars into political wins. Russia has already turned Mariupol into a political win. It owns the strategic location and there is no insurgency. It is already rebuilding infrastructure and reviving enterprises there. The president also visited it. More has been built it Mariupol in the last year than the entire non aligned Ukraine era (1991-2014)

If Russia took all of Ukraine in 2 weeks you'd still say Russia is losing. Because you seen a video on Youtube of a Ukrainian drone dropping a hand grenade on a Russian soldiers head. There's nothing objective about this.

**beachbound** · 17-04-2023, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by Backspasm

If Russia took all of Ukraine in 2 weeks you'd still say Russia is losing. Because you seen a video on Youtube. There’s nothing objective about this.

And where does your objectivity and insight come from? Tucker Carlson?

**panama hat** · 17-04-2023, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by Backspin

Afghan , Libya or Iraq wars

Originally Posted by Backspin

Mariupol

He proves it time and again . . .

**bsnub** · 17-04-2023, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by Backspin

The US never turned the Afghan , Libya or Iraq wars into political wins. Russia has already turned Mariupol into a political win. It owns the strategic location and there is no insurgency. It is already rebuilding infrastructure and reviving enterprises there. The president also visited it. More has been built it Mariupol in the last year than the entire non aligned Ukraine era (1991-2014)

You have to be a complete idiot to believe any of this horseshit. A political win? What a laughable moron you are. They are a pariah state under massive global sanctions, their leader is under criminal indictment for war crimes. Sounds like a real win. You live in fantasy land, vatnik.

Originally Posted by Backspin

If Russia took all of Ukraine in 2 weeks you'd still say Russia is losing.

It planned to take Kyiv in three days, you utter moron. They were decimated by the Ukrainians and forced to retreat.

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Originally Posted by Backspin

Because you seen a video on Youtube of a Ukrainian drone dropping a hand grenade on a Russian soldiers head.

You really truly are completely clueless as to what is going on in Ukraine. You are consumed by horseshit propaganda. What an utter moron. Just last month in Vuhledar...

Entire ruzzian brigades wiped out.

Your mighty ruzzian clowns have been getting their teeth kicked in for months.

**S Landreth** · 17-04-2023, 09:44 PM

Navy sends warship through Taiwan Strait after Chinese exercise around Taiwan

The U.S. Navy sailed through international waters in the Taiwan Strait on Sunday with a destroyer ship, leading China to denounce the move as a threat to its national security.

The USS Milius transited a part of the Taiwan Strait “beyond the territorial sea of any coastal state,” according to the U.S. 7th Fleet.

“Milius’ transit through the Taiwan Strait demonstrates the United States’ commitment to a free and open Indo-Pacific,” the fleet said in a statement. “The United States military flies, sails, and operates anywhere international law allows.”

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin said the U.S. sent the ship through the Taiwan Strait “to flex muscles,” which he said “poses a threat to China’s sovereignty and security and undermines regional peace and stability.”

“China urges the US to immediately end such moves of violation and provocation and stop causing troubles for peace and stability in the Taiwan Strait,” he said at a Monday press briefing.

The naval action comes about a week after the USS Milius, an Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer vessel, also sailed near Chinese artificial naval bases near the contested Spratly Islands in the South China Sea.

Tensions in the Indo-Pacific are high following three days of Chinese naval and air drills over Taiwan earlier this month, which Beijing ordered after Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-Wen met with Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) in California.

China sees Taiwan as historically part of the mainland after those fleeing a 1949 communist takeover in Beijing established the Republic of China opposition government on the island.

The U.S. recognizes Taiwan as part of China but maintains informal ties with the nation.

Washington has warned that China is bent on reclaiming Taiwan, by force if necessary, and has increasingly sought to support Taiwanese independence through arms sales, diplomatic ties and financial support.

American forces are also building up a presence in the Indo-Pacific, recently announcing more bases in the Philippines and a deal with Australia that includes increased U.S. and British submarine visits in the country.

**bsnub** · 18-04-2023, 04:00 AM

Originally Posted by panama hat

blockaded the island .

They did not blockade the island, if they did that it would have triggered a war.

When did you succumb to horseshit propaganda? Are you jumping on the clown car with skiddy and ohdoh?

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**Backspin** · 18-04-2023, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

You have to be a complete idiot to believe any of this horseshit. A political win? What a laughable moron you are. They are a pariah state under massive global sanctions,

You don't even believe basic data from your own sources.

Got an update for you. April 7th. The last update was March. Massive global sanctions bruh !

List of countries by foreign-exchange reserves - Wikipedia

The US's big sanctions nuclear weapon. A complete and total dud.

**Backspin** · 18-04-2023, 06:00 AM

Bsnub is the definition of drunk on propaganda. I am unsure what war the US fought that he thinks is analogous to Ukraine now or how Taiwan would be in any way analogous either as far as war fighting goes.

Ukraine is a top 10 arms exporter in the world. #9 to be exact. Wikipedia says it was #4 in the world prior to 2014 (Defense industry of Ukraine - Wikipedia) but I used the average. At the time Ukraine declared independence in 1991, the country had 1,840 defense enterprises and research centers that employed close to 2.7 million people.

Victor Bout is an ethnic Ukrainian who got Russian papers in 1991.

Ukraine had more ground forces in 2021 than the UK , France and Germany combined. And they were trained by the US and Nato for 8 years. Just imagine Mexico was a top 9 arms exporter in the world and China and Russia armed and trained its military for 8 years. Mexico would do better in the war than anyone expected too.

**bsnub** · 18-04-2023, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Backspin

You don't even believe basic data from your own sources.

Oh, you are pointing to that chart on wikipedia again, you utter moron. One statistic does not validate anything, you knuckle dragging imbecile. Russia is still a fucking gas station masquerading as a country.

Originally Posted by Backspin

Bsnub is the definition of drunk on propaganda.

Says the clown with his head buried up the kremlins ass. You clearly do not understand the definition of the word. Once again, you make an utter fool of yourself.

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**happynz** · 19-04-2023, 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by panama hat

their exercises basically shut Taiwan off several times.

...er...not exactly. It was more off a drill and dick wiggling exercise.

It then shows a pilot readying the fire control button for what it describes as a simulated attack, and then pressing the button, though it did not show any missiles being fired.

Taiwan's military has repeatedly said it will respond calmly to China's drills and not provoke conflict.

The defence ministry separately released pictures on Monday of mobile launchers for the Taiwan-made Hsiung Feng anti-ship missiles at an undisclosed location, as well as missile-armed fast attack boats at sea.

Reuters reporters at the Cape Maobitou park in Pingtung county on Taiwan's southern tip saw Hsiung Feng launchers deployed near a scenic spot on Monday, as soldiers stood guard and tourists watched and posed for pictures.

Life in Taiwan has continued normally with no signs of panic or disruption, and civilian flights operating as usual.

China practices blockades on last scheduled day of Taiwan drills | RNZ News

Hardly shutting down the country.

自由獨立的台灣萬歲!

¡Viva un Taiwán libre e independiente!

**bsnub** · 19-04-2023, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by panama hat

their exercises basically shut Taiwan off several times.

Commerce was never interrupted, no vessels were turned away, ROC forces interdicted the Chinese ships. Taiwan was never "shut off" that is nonsense.

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