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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Well, your opinion is not worth much, since you are the biggest moron on the forum, and generally you have no idea what you are talking about.
    He has spent a month in Asia in his life. That month would be a haze of whores, booze, drugs and motorcycles. A true expert on jack shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    He has spent a month in Asia in his life. That month would be a haze of whores, booze, drugs and motorcycles. A true expert on jack shit.
    And how long did Snub spend in Asia?

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    We sure have a lot of experts. That were blind sided by the war in Ukraine. They all thought it would just continue to be a low intensity proxy conflict.

    These experts should explain how war will be avoided. Is the US going to stop its mission in Taiwan ? No. There will be more visits by delegations, then there's a "trade deal" coming. Just like there was with Ukraine in 2014. Then there will be training and weapons.

    And China will have to draw the line somewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    We sure have a lot of experts. That were blind sided by the war in Ukraine. They all thought it would just continue to be a low intensity proxy conflict.
    Who exactly would those posters be? I called that months in advance. It was your fellow stooge Sabwang who bleated on for months that the war in Ukraine would never happen. So much for your side having a fucking clue.

    You continue to prove that you have no idea what you are talking about. You do not understand modern warfare at all. Furthermore, you do not understand how complex combined arms operations are on land, much less when they are conducted over an open sea in what would be the largest amphibious landing in world history. The Chinese do not have the capability to pull it off.

    Russia can not coordinate combined arms operations on its own border on land. There is NO way the Chinese can do it across the Taiwan strait.

    You need to find another topic to discuss skiddy. This one and frankly anything to do with current affairs is out of your depth. Go start a thread about how clean the beaches of Pattaya are or better yet just fuck off the forum entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    We sure have a lot of experts. That were blind sided by the war in Ukraine. They all thought it would just continue to be a low intensity proxy conflict. No idea where you get the phrase ‘Low intensity conflict’ from? In terms of simple observation, Putin’s War is just a poorly organized lie.
    These experts should explain how war will be avoided. Is the US going to stop its mission in Taiwan ? No. There will be more visits by delegations, then there's a "trade deal" coming. Just like there was with Ukraine in 2014. Then there will be training and weapons. You seem to misunderstand the term ‘mission’. There is no mission. Only political and diplomatic efforts to persuade the Chinese to behave reasonably. To underline those efforts, there is The US pacific fleet, consisting of carrier groups containing a quite fearsome array of aircraft, backed up by carefully placed ground forces as further deterrence.
    And China will have to draw the line somewhere
    China does not want or need conflict. Would you prefer the US to withdraw to mainland USA? Leaving China free to impose its will over Taiwan and other nations in the region? That is not how the world works you illiterate buffoon.

    Just like democracy, the current status is less than perfect. But it is much better for promoting a peaceful solution, than letting China have its own way. The Chinese solution got off to a great sart, but now the economic and medical imperatives are proving that the Chinese have no experience of running a very big country on an equal footing with the west. Basically, they are getting too big for their boots.

    The presence of the US Pacific forces is a pertinent reminder that, Uncle Sam will be around to pick up the pieces when Chinese communism ultimately fails.

    The Chinese response to Pelosi’s visit made them look like a laughing stock. Way over the top for China. I’m sure the US quite enjoyed it watching from a respectful distance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    the Chinese have no experience of running a very big country
    Only nearly 4 millennia.

    Xai Dynasty: 1900 BCE. 3,922 years ago.

    As opposed to NaGastan;

    The United States of America was created on July 4, 1776, with the Declaration of Independence of thirteen British colonies in North America.

    246 years ago.






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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Only nearly 4 millennia.

    Xai Dynasty: 1900 BCE. 3,922 years ago.

    As opposed to NaGastan;

    The United States of America was created on July 4, 1776, with the Declaration of Independence of thirteen British colonies in North America.

    246 years ago.






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    Total waste of space. You forgot the rest of the post I made. How very selective of you.

    According to you, the Chinese are trying to run an economy based on western import export based GDP. That is where they lack experience.

    Almost forgot, their Sabre rattling over the Pelosi’s visit was too amusing. They cannot compete with western economics because they lack experience in that field and their position on Covid is costing them serious money every day that XI clings to his failed ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    They cannot compete with western economics because they lack experience in that field and their position on Covid is costing them serious money every day that XI clings to his failed ideas.
    Not only Covid. A moribund real estate sector (which was 30% of GDP) and the worst drought since records began 60 years ago hitting the agricultural sector hard plus its impact on their hydroelectric power generation causing factories such as Toyota there to close down operations, then there is the high unemployment rate amongst young people including university graduates - it all adds up to a very challenging time. No serious observer thinks they can hit their declared growth target, was it 5 or 5.5%? They'll be lucky to see 3% this year.
    I'm not being smug about this, when an economy this big slows down then the rest of the world will feel some pain. The other point is that it is traditional in times of domestic crisis for leaders to look offshore for some distraction for the public and this I think could be one of the factors that might influence a decision by China to take Taiwan by force.
    I am hoping it doesn't happen even though I am less confident than some here that it is impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    You forgot the rest of the post I made. How very selective of you.
    Thank you for your reply.
    Although your reluctance to discuss my reply to your assertion, suggests you now have doubts:


    I will continue with your other assertions, as you have requested:

    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    China does not want or need conflict.
    I agree any Chinese internal disagreements are solvable without any military necessary. As we have seen in the mainland and Taiwan island historically.

    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Would you prefer the US to withdraw to mainland USA?
    I would prefer that NaGastan lives up to their previously signed agreements with China. China has indicated they are less than amused by POTUS saying one thing to China and "delivering" another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    But it is much better for promoting a peaceful solution
    POTUS "promoting" one thing to China and "delivering" another.

    [QUOTE=Switch;4424915] the Chinese have no experience of running a very big country
    I would suggest that the historical actual facts are otherwise:

    1. Trade with the world has grown, from 1900 BCE. Utilising different models. Some successful, others leading to ruin.

    2. Investments in its own economy and in foreign countries have grown, since the rapprochement/agreement with NaGastan, POTUS Nixon IIRC.

    3. China's wealth and assets have grown, one measure is the assets invested in NAGAstan bonds.

    4. Many of the world's leading companies have invested in China - mostly making better returns than in their native countries. Too many to list, in multiple low and high-tech industries.

    But mostly Chinese citizens have been raised to higher levels of personal opportunities, social advancement, security, health and their horizons continue to be extended.

    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    trying to run an economy based on western import export based GDP
    China is "run on an economy" as adopted by their elected politicians, "with the people, for the people", not the 1%'s pocket books.

    When some Chinese entrepreneurs have tried to follow the western "exclusive model", they have been "reminded" to follow the elected government's signposts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Uncle Sam will be around to pick up the pieces when Chinese communism ultimately fails.
    Uncle Sam, possibly.

    Chinese communism ultimately fails? What makes you think their model is failing? Representative government, improving citizens lives, successful offering processes to foreign counties, selecting world-class solutions to be utilised domestically/identified as "useful solutions".

    One interaction with Chinese entities is thus:

    A Chinese government decision to improve a certain sector of their citizens lives is identified.

    Some investigations of commercially available native/foreign solutions are made.

    A list of possibles are made.

    The foreign solution suppliers are engaged by invitation to meet with a selected number of Chinese entities.

    Many discussions and trials are approved.

    The trials are analysed and one, or more solution providers offering, are adopted commercially.

    The most "useful solution", scope, financial terms, historic global acceptance, local support, personal whims .... is highlighted and becomes the China adopted preferred "useful solution".

    Roll out, nationwide if required, depending on the type of "useful solution". Does China need 4 or 20 foreign car assembly operations .....

    The adopting entities are monitored nationally and "bugs" are corrected or tuned, normally by the supplier, to Chinas processes. Similar to all countries which adopt the "useful solution" every one has different priorities/time scales.

    Time-consuming sure, lengthy sure, but the Chinese market it's self, is LARGE, the foreign market adopting a Chinese "official useful solution" is EXTRA LARGE, the solution provider likewise is rather cheerful.

    Many worldwide, "official useful solutions" have taken similar routes to success.

    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    The Chinese response to Pelosi’s visit made them look like a laughing stock. Way over the top for China.
    The last couple of Chinese and NaGastan video conferences, at leadership level, were even more blistering.

    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    I’m sure the US quite enjoyed it watching from a respectful distance.
    The POTUS request for her not to visit, being ignored, indicates the status/position of the POTUS as being totally ignored.

    Which suggests cracks in the current NaGastan leader's ability to manage/some weakness of, international agreements and his own domestic media. Which unfortunately is displayed every time he is in the public domain.

    As for the NaGastan citizens enjoying such displays, that I'll leave to its citizens to comment on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    How very selective of you.
    Have I covered your posts to your satisfaction now?


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    It is rather amusing for someone talking on behalf of the American side to say China is 'failing'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    It is rather amusing for someone talking on behalf of the American side to say China is 'failing'.
    It's amusing for an Australian Brit talking about the US talking about China on China's behalf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    It is rather amusing for someone talking on behalf of the American side to say China is 'failing'.
    It is rather sad to see someone speaking from the Australian side with his head all the way up Chinese ass.

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    Thank you humbly, Mr Wong.

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    The ol' chinky brown nosers still all triggered by these visits I see.


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    Keep the money rolling ��. Lovin' it. Notice we kicked those former ingrateful wankers decisively out of power Chairman.

    You're welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Notice we kicked those former ingrateful wankers decisively out of power Chairman.
    Try that again in English

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    Sorry, but the English have very little to do with our desirable lifestyle. Ganbei!

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    [QUOTE=OhOh;4425166]Thank you for your reply.
    Although your reluctance to discuss my reply to your assertion, suggests you now have doubts:


    I will continue with your other assertions, as you have requested:


    I agree any Chinese internal disagreements are solvable without any military necessary. As we have seen in the mainland and Taiwan island historically.


    I would prefer that NaGastan lives up to their previously signed agreements with China. China has indicated they are less than amused by POTUS saying one thing to China and "delivering" another.


    POTUS "promoting" one thing to China and "delivering" another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    the Chinese have no experience of running a very big country
    I would suggest that the historical actual facts are otherwise:

    1. Trade with the world has grown, from 1900 BCE. Utilising different models. Some successful, others leading to ruin.

    2. Investments in its own economy and in foreign countries have grown, since the rapprochement/agreement with NaGastan, POTUS Nixon IIRC.

    3. China's wealth and assets have grown, one measure is the assets invested in NAGAstan bonds.

    4. Many of the world's leading companies have invested in China - mostly making better returns than in their native countries. Too many to list, in multiple low and high-tech industries.

    But mostly Chinese citizens have been raised to higher levels of personal opportunities, social advancement, security, health and their horizons continue to be extended.


    China is "run on an economy" as adopted by their elected politicians, "with the people, for the people", not the 1%'s pocket books.

    When some Chinese entrepreneurs have tried to follow the western "exclusive model", they have been "reminded" to follow the elected government's signposts.


    Uncle Sam, possibly.

    Chinese communism ultimately fails? What makes you think their model is failing? Representative government, improving citizens lives, successful offering processes to foreign counties, selecting world-class solutions to be utilised domestically/identified as "useful solutions".

    One interaction with Chinese entities is thus:

    A Chinese government decision to improve a certain sector of their citizens lives is identified.

    Some investigations of commercially available native/foreign solutions are made.

    A list of possibles are made.

    The foreign solution suppliers are engaged by invitation to meet with a selected number of Chinese entities.

    Many discussions and trials are approved.

    The trials are analysed and one, or more solution providers offering, are adopted commercially.

    The most "useful solution", scope, financial terms, historic global acceptance, local support, personal whims .... is highlighted and becomes the China adopted preferred "useful solution".

    Roll out, nationwide if required, depending on the type of "useful solution". Does China need 4 or 20 foreign car assembly operations .....

    The adopting entities are monitored nationally and "bugs" are corrected or tuned, normally by the supplier, to Chinas processes. Similar to all countries which adopt the "useful solution" every one has different priorities/time scales.

    Time-consuming sure, lengthy sure, but the Chinese market it's self, is LARGE, the foreign market adopting a Chinese "official useful solution" is EXTRA LARGE, the solution provider likewise is rather cheerful.

    Many worldwide, "official useful solutions" have taken similar routes to success.


    The last couple of Chinese and NaGastan video conferences, at leadership level, were even more blistering.


    The POTUS request for her not to visit, being ignored, indicates the status/position of the POTUS as being totally ignored.

    Which suggests cracks in the current NaGastan leader's ability to manage/some weakness of, international agreements and his own domestic media. Which unfortunately is displayed every time he is in the public domain.

    As for the NaGastan citizens enjoying such displays, that I'll leave to its citizens to comment on.


    Have I covered your posts to your satisfaction now?

    As I intimated in an earlier post. There is little point in me debating this or any other subject with you. You adopt selective text from my posts, then you decide what my position is.

    You fail, so there is no point in further debate. Just carry on bebating with yourself. Then I know it’s not worth reading.
    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    You adopt selective text from my posts,
    As you keep statingg. If you wish to clarify which text you are referring to, it might lead to my understanding and reply to your opinions.

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Have I covered your posts to your satisfaction now?
    You were invited to confirm if I had covered all your opinions you raised in your post.

    I highlighted your opinions and posted those that I had not replied to.

    Then, as you requested, proceeded by replying to all the points you raised.

    Unable or unwilling to continue to debate, here in this tread on TD, opinions that you previously posted, you now fold.

    Noted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    He has spent a month in Asia in his life. That month would be a haze of whores, booze, drugs and motorcycles. A true expert on jack shit.
    So you think that living in BKK gives you more authority on Taiwan China relations ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    As you keep statingg. If you wish to clarify which text you are referring to, it might lead to my understanding and reply to your opinions.


    You were invited to confirm if I had covered all your opinions you raised in your post.

    I highlighted your opinions and posted those that I had not replied to.

    Then, as you requested, proceeded by replying to all the points you raised.

    Unable or unwilling to continue to debate, here in this tread on TD, opinions that you previously posted, you now fold.

    Noted.
    I can confirm that your attempt to convert me to your very sad opinion has failed. You rely to heavily on unsubstantiated reports from a single source and you seem to accept these reports without question.

    You make too many assumptions, about other posters and sources, that are clearly incorrect. I don’t have the time or inclination to correct all your flawed thinking. That is your problem, not mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    So you think that living in BKK gives you more authority on Taiwan China relations ?
    Most posters are better informed and more thoughtful than you are. This has been explained to you many times, but you choose to ignore it. Your ignorance is bliss. For you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Yep. He showed weakness. US next provocation is ready to go.

    From page 8. As was so obvious to see, ever since Xi cucked, there has been a parade into Taiwan. And eventually he will still have to put a stop to it.


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