Thread: Biden says U.S. willing to use force to defend Taiwan prompting backlash from China

Originally Posted by bsnub

What is your point, dipshit?

China has no experience in combined arms operations, no experience waging war on a large scale, no experience coordinating logistics on a global scale, on and on and on. The last war the Chinese fought was in 1979, and they got their shit packed in by the Vietnamese and were forced to retreat back into their own country.

As usual, you have not a fucking clue what you are talking about.

China does not need "experience coordinating muh logistics on a global scale" to fight a war on its literal front doorstep.

The Vietnam/China war is always trotted out as some major humiliation for China. And this little part is always left out. In November 1978, Moscow signed a mutual defense treaty with Hanoi. So Vietnam was getting arms and training and everything the USSR had to offer, to fight China.


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Ridiculous debate anyway. A country that was unable to subdue Iraq or Afghanistan knows full well it cannot successfully defend Taiwan in a military sense, and most certainly has not committed to that. Let them sort it out between themselves.

Originally Posted by panama hat

How do you come to that conclusion? Seeing as you're comparing apples to oranges you come out looking the fool the again with your knee-jerk anti-Us nd pro-China garbage.



Ahem . . . how very white of you to allow that

Do you believe proximity and military budgets are irrelevant too ?

Both PRC & ROC are not stupid enough to believe that war is the answer. Yanks best advised to stay out of it.

Originally Posted by Backspin

Do you believe proximity and military budgets are irrelevant too ?

Well, Russia has a defence budget and a reputation for unbridled militarism.

They recently declared war on a near neighbour without justification. That incursion is going really well isn’t it?

Your rather grandiose and hormone driven ideas don’t carry much weight in the real world. It’s quite a problem for teenagers these days.

Originally Posted by sabang

Both PRC & ROC are not stupid enough to believe that war is the answer.

Just like Putin wasn't stupid enough to invade Ukraine, eh?

Originally Posted by Backspin

China does not need "experience coordinating muh logistics on a global scale" to fight a war on its literal front doorstep.

You as usual have no idea what you are talking about. China is not going to invade Taiwan.

Originally Posted by sabang

Both PRC & ROC are not stupid enough to believe that war is the answer.

What went wrong with your prediction that the war in Ukraine would never happen?

Originally Posted by bsnub

China is not going to invade Taiwan.

Ok. We have your prediction loud and clear.

I can't see how war will be avoided. Whether that is a blockade like the US did on Cuba in 1962. Or a Crimea scenario. Ukraine was Russia's paramount red line. Taiwan is China's paramount red line. Pretty simple really.

Originally Posted by sabang

Both PRC & ROC are not stupid enough to believe that war is the answer.

I agree. But all it takes is a fanatical party or leader to be in power. The current party is slowly choosing war.

In 2015, the former president (from the sane party) of Taiwan and Xi Jinping met in Singapore. Relations were good.

Originally Posted by Backspin

Ok. We have your prediction loud and clear.

I can't see how war will be avoided. Whether that is a blockade like the US did on Cuba in 1962. Or a Crimea scenario. Ukraine was Russia's paramount red line. Taiwan is China's paramount red line. Pretty simple really.

Yes you are ‘pretty simple’. Most potential confrontations are resolved by diplomacy. You have all the depth of a burst flip flop.

Originally Posted by Backspin

I can't see how war will be avoided.

Well, your opinion is not worth much, since you are the biggest moron on the forum, and generally you have no idea what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Well, your opinion is not worth much, since you are the biggest moron on the forum, and generally you have no idea what you are talking about.

He has spent a month in Asia in his life. That month would be a haze of whores, booze, drugs and motorcycles. A true expert on jack shit.

Originally Posted by aging one

He has spent a month in Asia in his life. That month would be a haze of whores, booze, drugs and motorcycles. A true expert on jack shit.

And how long did Snub spend in Asia?

We sure have a lot of experts. That were blind sided by the war in Ukraine. They all thought it would just continue to be a low intensity proxy conflict.

These experts should explain how war will be avoided. Is the US going to stop its mission in Taiwan ? No. There will be more visits by delegations, then there's a "trade deal" coming. Just like there was with Ukraine in 2014. Then there will be training and weapons.

And China will have to draw the line somewhere

Until then,........

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Originally Posted by Backspin

We sure have a lot of experts. That were blind sided by the war in Ukraine. They all thought it would just continue to be a low intensity proxy conflict.

Who exactly would those posters be? I called that months in advance. It was your fellow stooge Sabwang who bleated on for months that the war in Ukraine would never happen. So much for your side having a fucking clue.

You continue to prove that you have no idea what you are talking about. You do not understand modern warfare at all. Furthermore, you do not understand how complex combined arms operations are on land, much less when they are conducted over an open sea in what would be the largest amphibious landing in world history. The Chinese do not have the capability to pull it off.

Russia can not coordinate combined arms operations on its own border on land. There is NO way the Chinese can do it across the Taiwan strait.

You need to find another topic to discuss skiddy. This one and frankly anything to do with current affairs is out of your depth. Go start a thread about how clean the beaches of Pattaya are or better yet just fuck off the forum entirely.

Originally Posted by Backspin

We sure have a lot of experts. That were blind sided by the war in Ukraine. They all thought it would just continue to be a low intensity proxy conflict. No idea where you get the phrase ‘Low intensity conflict’ from? In terms of simple observation, Putin’s War is just a poorly organized lie.
These experts should explain how war will be avoided. Is the US going to stop its mission in Taiwan ? No. There will be more visits by delegations, then there's a "trade deal" coming. Just like there was with Ukraine in 2014. Then there will be training and weapons. You seem to misunderstand the term ‘mission’. There is no mission. Only political and diplomatic efforts to persuade the Chinese to behave reasonably. To underline those efforts, there is The US pacific fleet, consisting of carrier groups containing a quite fearsome array of aircraft, backed up by carefully placed ground forces as further deterrence.
And China will have to draw the line somewhere

China does not want or need conflict. Would you prefer the US to withdraw to mainland USA? Leaving China free to impose its will over Taiwan and other nations in the region? That is not how the world works you illiterate buffoon.

Just like democracy, the current status is less than perfect. But it is much better for promoting a peaceful solution, than letting China have its own way. The Chinese solution got off to a great sart, but now the economic and medical imperatives are proving that the Chinese have no experience of running a very big country on an equal footing with the west. Basically, they are getting too big for their boots.

The presence of the US Pacific forces is a pertinent reminder that, Uncle Sam will be around to pick up the pieces when Chinese communism ultimately fails.

The Chinese response to Pelosi’s visit made them look like a laughing stock. Way over the top for China. I’m sure the US quite enjoyed it watching from a respectful distance.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Only nearly 4 millennia.

Xai Dynasty: 1900 BCE. 3,922 years ago.

As opposed to NaGastan;

The United States of America was created on July 4, 1776, with the Declaration of Independence of thirteen British colonies in North America.

246 years ago.






List of countries (and dependencies) ranked by area

Total Area = land area + water bodies (lakes, reservoirs, and rivers)
Km² = square kilometers | mi² = square miles

#	Country	Tot. Area (Km²)	Land Area (Km²)	% of world landmass
1	Russia	17,098,242	6,601,665	16,376,870	6,323,142	11.0 %
2	Canada	9,984,670	3,855,101	9,093,510	3,511,022	6.1 %
3	China	9,706,961	3,747,877	9,388,211	3,624,807	6.3 %
4	United States	9,372,610	3,618,783	9,147,420	3,531,837	6.1 %
5	Brazil	8,515,767	3,287,955	8,358,140	3,227,095	5.6 %
6	Australia	7,692,024	2,969,906	7,682,300	2,966,151	5.2 %
7	India	3,287,590	1,269,345	2,973,190	1,147,955	2.0 %
8	Argentina	2,780,400	1,073,518	2,736,690	1,056,641	1.8 %
9	Kazakhstan	2,724,900	1,052,089	2,699,700	1,042,360	1.8 %
10	Algeria	2,381,741	919,595	2,381,740	919,595	1.6 %

Total waste of space. You forgot the rest of the post I made. How very selective of you.

According to you, the Chinese are trying to run an economy based on western import export based GDP. That is where they lack experience.

Almost forgot, their Sabre rattling over the Pelosi’s visit was too amusing. They cannot compete with western economics because they lack experience in that field and their position on Covid is costing them serious money every day that XI clings to his failed ideas.

Originally Posted by Switch

They cannot compete with western economics because they lack experience in that field and their position on Covid is costing them serious money every day that XI clings to his failed ideas.

Not only Covid. A moribund real estate sector (which was 30% of GDP) and the worst drought since records began 60 years ago hitting the agricultural sector hard plus its impact on their hydroelectric power generation causing factories such as Toyota there to close down operations, then there is the high unemployment rate amongst young people including university graduates - it all adds up to a very challenging time. No serious observer thinks they can hit their declared growth target, was it 5 or 5.5%? They'll be lucky to see 3% this year.
I'm not being smug about this, when an economy this big slows down then the rest of the world will feel some pain. The other point is that it is traditional in times of domestic crisis for leaders to look offshore for some distraction for the public and this I think could be one of the factors that might influence a decision by China to take Taiwan by force.
I am hoping it doesn't happen even though I am less confident than some here that it is impossible.

Originally Posted by Switch

You forgot the rest of the post I made. How very selective of you.

Thank you for your reply.
Although your reluctance to discuss my reply to your assertion, suggests you now have doubts:


I will continue with your other assertions, as you have requested:

Originally Posted by Switch

China does not want or need conflict.

I agree any Chinese internal disagreements are solvable without any military necessary. As we have seen in the mainland and Taiwan island historically.

Originally Posted by Switch

Would you prefer the US to withdraw to mainland USA?

I would prefer that NaGastan lives up to their previously signed agreements with China. China has indicated they are less than amused by POTUS saying one thing to China and "delivering" another.

Originally Posted by Switch

But it is much better for promoting a peaceful solution

POTUS "promoting" one thing to China and "delivering" another.

[QUOTE=Switch;4424915] the Chinese have no experience of running a very big country
I would suggest that the historical actual facts are otherwise:

1. Trade with the world has grown, from 1900 BCE. Utilising different models. Some successful, others leading to ruin.

2. Investments in its own economy and in foreign countries have grown, since the rapprochement/agreement with NaGastan, POTUS Nixon IIRC.

3. China's wealth and assets have grown, one measure is the assets invested in NAGAstan bonds.

4. Many of the world's leading companies have invested in China - mostly making better returns than in their native countries. Too many to list, in multiple low and high-tech industries.

But mostly Chinese citizens have been raised to higher levels of personal opportunities, social advancement, security, health and their horizons continue to be extended.

Originally Posted by Switch

trying to run an economy based on western import export based GDP

China is "run on an economy" as adopted by their elected politicians, "with the people, for the people", not the 1%'s pocket books.

When some Chinese entrepreneurs have tried to follow the western "exclusive model", they have been "reminded" to follow the elected government's signposts.

Originally Posted by Switch

Uncle Sam will be around to pick up the pieces when Chinese communism ultimately fails.

Uncle Sam, possibly.

Chinese communism ultimately fails? What makes you think their model is failing? Representative government, improving citizens lives, successful offering processes to foreign counties, selecting world-class solutions to be utilised domestically/identified as "useful solutions".

One interaction with Chinese entities is thus:

A Chinese government decision to improve a certain sector of their citizens lives is identified.

Some investigations of commercially available native/foreign solutions are made.

A list of possibles are made.

The foreign solution suppliers are engaged by invitation to meet with a selected number of Chinese entities.

Many discussions and trials are approved.

The trials are analysed and one, or more solution providers offering, are adopted commercially.

The most "useful solution", scope, financial terms, historic global acceptance, local support, personal whims .... is highlighted and becomes the China adopted preferred "useful solution".

Roll out, nationwide if required, depending on the type of "useful solution". Does China need 4 or 20 foreign car assembly operations .....

The adopting entities are monitored nationally and "bugs" are corrected or tuned, normally by the supplier, to Chinas processes. Similar to all countries which adopt the "useful solution" every one has different priorities/time scales.

Time-consuming sure, lengthy sure, but the Chinese market it's self, is LARGE, the foreign market adopting a Chinese "official useful solution" is EXTRA LARGE, the solution provider likewise is rather cheerful.

Many worldwide, "official useful solutions" have taken similar routes to success.

Originally Posted by Switch

The Chinese response to Pelosi’s visit made them look like a laughing stock. Way over the top for China.

The last couple of Chinese and NaGastan video conferences, at leadership level, were even more blistering.

Originally Posted by Switch

I’m sure the US quite enjoyed it watching from a respectful distance.

The POTUS request for her not to visit, being ignored, indicates the status/position of the POTUS as being totally ignored.

Which suggests cracks in the current NaGastan leader's ability to manage/some weakness of, international agreements and his own domestic media. Which unfortunately is displayed every time he is in the public domain.

As for the NaGastan citizens enjoying such displays, that I'll leave to its citizens to comment on.

Originally Posted by Switch

How very selective of you.

Have I covered your posts to your satisfaction now?

It is rather amusing for someone talking on behalf of the American side to say China is 'failing'.

Originally Posted by sabang

It is rather amusing for someone talking on behalf of the American side to say China is 'failing'.

It is rather sad to see someone speaking from the Australian side with his head all the way up Chinese ass.

Really?




Thank you humbly, Mr Wong.

The ol' chinky brown nosers still all triggered by these visits I see.