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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    It will hardly detract from the mounting problems at home.
    . . . the trip is supposed to do that? Simpletons would think so


    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Hey, why don't they invite Taiwan to become the 51st State?
    Because . . . Oh!!! Taiwan is a sovereign nation



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    But we really care about Your opinion 'arry.
    More so than yours

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    Taiwan is a sovereign nation



    Those are the nations that agree with you, and diplomatically recognise Taiwan. Impressive, isn't it? Not. Also, it is old- Nicaragua, Kiribati and the Solomon Islands have since severed diplomatic relations with Taiwan. So that leaves 14 mainly microstates. Wow guy, lets have a World war over it.

    More so than yours
    Of course- you're well known as a forum bonehead. Fully paid up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post



    Those are the nations that agree with you, and diplomatically recognise Taiwan. Impressive, isn't it? Not. Also, it is old- Nicaragua, Kiribati and the Solomon Islands have since severed diplomatic relations with Taiwan. So that leaves 14 mainly microstates. Wow guy, lets have a World war over it.



    Of course- you're well known as a forum bonehead. Fully paid up.
    Why would China have to use force against Taiwan?

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    I think it would be utterly stupid to. Economically speaking, Taiwan is already joined to China at the hip. Why is the US trying to provoke confrontation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Of course- you're well known as a forum bonehead. Fully paid up.
    Oh dear . . .



    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Wow guy, lets have a World war over it.
    It's your country of choice that wants it, no-one else. China, Russia, N Korea etc . . . what a fucked up mind you have.



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    So that leaves 14 mainly microstates.
    How many countries have de-facto embassies and representative offices in Taiwan? Taipei? Khaosiung? I've even been to the German one in Taipei, needed a new passport.

    Taiwan has its own military, parliament, police force, . . . everything that an independent nation has.

    Let's see, I'll put it into pictures:




    Even Russia has representative offices that deal with political, economic, cultural issues. Even Russia.

    Yea, so much for not being recognised


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    bonehead
    Yes, you are

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    To make it even more pictorial for you . . . look at all the countries shoving their middle finger up at China.
    Do you see the dark blue ones - diplomatic missions.
    Light blue - representative offices

    So China doesn't like embassies there . . . fine. Let's call them something else . . . fuck China


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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Why is the US trying to provoke confrontation?
    You moron, China has been trying to provoke a confrontation on an almost daily basis for years. They tried to draw a red line and dared that there would be major repercussions, going so far as to claim they would shoot the old women's plane out of the sky. In the end, they were made fools of.

    In the end, the US gave China a well deserved pimp slap, and they backed down. Fuck'em.

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    China gave Taiwan a bitch slap, albeit minor in the scheme of things. Hey, if the US wants to grow some hairy balls instead of letting washed up old hags like Pelosi flounce through with no purpose, diplomatically recognise Taiwan! Put yer damn money where your impotent mouth is. Lets see who wins.


    Frankly your war drums (yawwwn) are meaningless. This is what counts-


    Taiwan’s trade with China is far bigger than its trade with the U.S.



    • Mainland China and Hong Kong accounted for 42% of Taiwan’s exports last year, while the U.S. had a 15% share, according to official Taiwan data accessed through Wind Information.
    • About 22% of Taiwan’s imports last year came from mainland China and Hong Kong, versus 10% from the U.S., official data showed.
    • Many Taiwan-based companies operate factories in mainland China. In 2021, Taiwan businesses received $200.1 billion in U.S. export orders, according to the U.S. Congressional Research Service.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/05/taiwans-trade-with-china-is-far-bigger-than-its-trade-with-the-us.html

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    Well done sabang, you've just demonstrated why the chinkies are all wind and piss and reluctant to actually do anything meaningful.

    You gormless twat.



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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    .


    Taiwan is a sovereign nation



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    Well bonehead, go ahead and lobby the gormless USA to diplomatically recognise Taiwan- rather than sending washed up old hags to make absolutely no statement (y'know, a 'private visit'). Talk about piss n wind. It means absolutely nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I think it would be utterly stupid to. Economically speaking, Taiwan is already joined to China at the hip. Why is the US trying to provoke confrontation?
    China has no choice anymore. They have to go to war. The US has begun the process of annexing Taiwan into its sphere of military control. Switch and some other boneheads will laugh but they don't know what geopolitics is.

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    Yada yada- the US knows it doesn't have a snowflakes chance. All China would have to do is blockade Taiwan, and seize/ nationalise it's huge investments in China.

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    Well he's down to skidmark level.


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    Well go ahead bonehead 'arry, you big mover and shaker you, and lobby the US to set up a nice big military base in Taiwan- y'know, Okinawa style. Of course Taiwan will say "NO", but that shouldn't worry the big bully boy should it- just invade! Boneheads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Those are the nations that ..... diplomatically recognise Taiwan.
    Asking the right question delivers te factual answer.

    The claims are because of this:

    Which Countries Do Not Have Diplomatic Relations with China?

    Apr 19, 2016

    "There are 15 countries that have never established diplomatic relations with the People’s Republic of China."

    "These 15 countries have maintained so-called “diplomatic relations” with Taiwan. These countries include Bhutan, the Vatican, Haiti, Dominica, Saint Vincent, the Grenadines, Panama, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Paraguay, the Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Palau, and Swaziland."

    Which Countries Do Not Have Diplomatic Relations with China?

    The 15 countries have had, and most continue to have, a relationship with, the parties, which have won the multiple elections held in Taiwan.

    They consider the Taiwan party which wins the election governs, not only the Chinese mainland, but also the adjacent islands.

    They have never recognised and do not recognise today, the People's Republic of China's claim over all of China, mainland and islands.

    A similar view to the one NaGastan once held.

    Note the date of the article, April 2016, some countries may have switched side since then.

    In addition:

    List of diplomatic missions in Taiwan

    "The diplomatic missions in Taiwan include embassies; trade and cultural missions include representative offices.

    Due to the special political status and One-China policy, Taiwan is only recognized by 14 countries,
    all of whom have an embassies in Taipei."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ions_in_Taiwan

    One suspects 1 has recognised China's position, recently.

    One may also expect a country having, "diplomatic relationships", with a foreign country would also have a staffed Embassy, in the country generally.
    Last edited by OhOh; 18-08-2022 at 12:23 AM.
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    How Nancy Pelosiís Taiwan Gambit Backfired

    Beijing’s shock-and-awe military response has created a new normal in East Asia.



    AUGUST 16, 2022, 6:57 AM

    History is replete with unintended consequences, few of which mattered much. Not so in the case of U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s recent layover in Taipei, Taiwan’s capital. The trip, which garnered rare bipartisan support in Washington, aimed to demonstrate U.S. confidence in Taiwan’s leadership. Instead, the visit and China’s reaction to it left the region reeling, with Beijing apparently more confident than ever that it could retake the self-governed island nation by force if necessary.

    Simply put, Pelosi’s ill-timed gambit backfired—and badly. Worse yet, its destabilizing effect was entirely predictable and completely preventable, which explains why White House and U.S. Defense Department officials repeatedly requested that she postpone, not cancel, her travel to Taipei. Sure, Pelosi faced political pressure not to back down once her plans became public. But it was always clear that China would exact a high price for her meeting with Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen, which need not have taken place in Taiwan or coincided with the 95th anniversary of the founding of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) to achieve its stated objective.

    For all her good intentions, picking up the pieces after Pelosi’s tactical misstep will not be easy. Understandably, the Biden administration has downplayed the trip’s significance and reaffirmed its commitment to the United States’ long-standing “One China” policy, which recognizes Beijing as “the sole legal government of China” while ignoring its claims to rule Taiwan. Although “nothing has changed” per se in Washington, the same cannot be said for the Taiwan Strait, where China’s dramatic, expertly orchestrated show of military force was no mere aberration.

    Welcome, instead, to the next normal in East Asia.

    China cannot veto if, when, or how foreign governments, companies, or other entities engage Taiwan. But make no mistake: Beijing certainly gets a vote, which it wielded hours after Pelosi left Taipei. China has long sought to erode the status quo in the strait, aiming to coerce Taipei into accepting that the path to peace and prosperity runs through Beijing, not Washington. Nevertheless, the military spectacle that followed Pelosi’s trip was without precedent in scope and scale. Think less salami tactics and more shock and awe. Nor did these maneuvers appear out of thin air. They were likely devised in recent years by PLA planners with the understanding that Beijing would one day enjoy, however briefly, the political cover to justify such provocations.


    To be fair, Pelosi’s trip did not occur in a vacuum. Beijing and Washington have been talking past each other on the Taiwan issue since U.S. President Joe Biden assumed office, with each side believing that the other is unilaterally seeking to alter the status quo. Unquestionably, China has endeavored to find a reason—any reason—to justify its increasing belligerence toward Taiwan. But Beijing’s growing skepticism about Washington’s adherence to the “One China” policy can, in large part, be attributed to Biden’s repeated mischaracterization of the United States’ security commitments as outlined in the Taiwan Relations Act, including his claim that the United States has a “commitment” to aid Taiwan in the event of a Chinese invasion—whereas the act only requires Washington “to provide Taiwan with arms of a defense character” without any guarantee the United States will intervene militarily. Certainly, these gaffes do not excuse Beijing’s behavior. But the regime’s response to Pelosi’s trip—coming just months before a major Chinese Communist Party leadership shake-up—was hardly surprising.

    What is surprising is just how far the PLA’s capabilities have evolved since its second-rate performance during the 1996 Taiwan missile crisis. This time, the PLA put on a nearly flawless four-act play as its air and sea assets crisscrossed Taiwan’s sovereign territory with impunity. First, China clearly defined its areas of operation, after which civilian aircraft and commercial shipping quickly obliged by vacating these zones. Next, in waves, the PLA launched 11 Dongfeng ballistic missiles into the waters surrounding northern, southern, and eastern Taiwan. Four flew directly over Taipei, marking one of many firsts for China during these exercises. More than 120 Chinese aircraft also crossed the informal maritime border that exists down the median line of the Taiwan Strait.

    Encountering no resistance, a PLA joint force then conducted, also for the first time, simulated attacks on Taiwan in the actual airspace and territorial waters where such an attack would likely begin. Finally, for good measure, China announced additional drills in the Yellow Sea north of Taiwan. The goal: to demonstrate that the PLA could prevent U.S. forces stationed in Japan’s Okinawa Island or Seoul from coming to Taiwan’s aid during a crisis. In all, it was a master class in strategy and tactics—one that involved thousands of personnel who will spend the next few years refining their operational assumptions, calculating down to the decimal how much fuel, food, and other supplies might be needed to pull off an actual attack in the future. Whereas Russia’s foolhardy invasion of Ukraine stalled, in part, because of Moscow’s third-rate planning and faulty prewar assumptions, Beijing, it appears, may not be condemned to the same fate.

    Of course, these drills paid psychological dividends too. China confirmed that it could, at a time and place of its choosing, severely disrupt—if not outright block—critical global air and sea trade routes, including those involving Taiwanese-produced semiconductors. The drills also served to shake Taiwan’s confidence in the very sources of its political and economic survival by raising the stakes for friendly governments that might be considering whether or how to deepen their ties to Taipei. Already, some U.S. firms are reportedly eyeing a Taiwan exit, and others will likely follow. The region’s mixed response was also telling, with the Association of Southeast Asian Nations issuing a post-drill communique that managed to omit the words “Taiwan” and “China.” Just as deafening was the silence out of New Delhi to Beijing’s drills.


    But China’s greatest triumph by far is that its leaders likely believe, rightly or wrongly, that an invasion may now be practical, not purely theoretical. That does not imply that an invasion is imminent or that Beijing intends to accelerate its reunification timetable. Rather, it simply suggests that China is on its way to overcoming what is arguably the greatest psychological barrier to any invasion: internal doubts about its will and disposition to fight, keep fighting, and win.

    Regrettably, the U.S. intelligence community has proven incapable of accurately assessing this most human fundamental of war, similar to its flawed predictions that Russia would quickly overrun Ukraine and the U.S.-equipped Afghan military could hold off the Taliban. These analytical shortcomings increase the potential for serious miscalculations from here on out, compounded by China’s reckless decision to sever key communications channels with the West. Adding to the danger, the PLA will now almost certainly operate closer to Taiwan’s shores, in effect shrinking the buffer zone and the corresponding margin of error that previously existed in the strait.

    Still, Beijing may prove unable to translate recent successes in its envisioned battlefield into a new and lasting status quo. Instead, the post-Pelosi era can be described, at best, as the next normal. There will be no going back to the way things were before her visit, but the road to a possible invasion is hardly a straight line. Although China capitalized on Pelosi’s bad timing, there remain myriad opportunities for Taiwan and its friends to shape the lasting legacy of today’s crisis in ways that benefit Taipei’s cause. Washington’s biggest hurdle lies in its rapidly dwindling set of military options to deter China as the latter approaches near-peer status. Of course, efforts must be made to speed up deliveries of defensive weapons to Taiwan—but those investments alone will likely prove insufficient in the long run. What should trouble Taiwan’s supporters is the lack of evidence that the U.S. military is augmenting its regional force or rapidly fielding new capabilities to maintain its edge.

    Going forward under these new and less stable conditions, Washington and its allies must develop more intelligent, less risky ways to aid Taipei. Translation: fewer symbolic visits and more strategic substance. U.S. policymakers must also recognize that forcefully responding to each and every Chinese provocation is a fool’s errand that could lead to war—one that the pro-Taiwan bloc may well lose. Refraining from taking Beijing’s bait is not a sign of “passivity,” as some charge, but pragmatism as the balance of power temporarily shifts in Beijing’s favor. Look no further than former U.S. President Ronald Reagan’s example in occasionally pulling punches while remaining steadfastly committed to undermining the Soviet Union.

    The same practical mindset should also be applied to urgently establish a de-escalation ladder between Biden and Chinese leader Xi Jinping, much like the channel employed by then-U.S. President John F. Kennedy and then-Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev during the 1962 Cuban missile crisis. Granted, those exchanges largely took place in secret, which shielded both leaders from charges of capitulating to their countries’ sworn enemy. Ultimately though, both sides ceded some ground, a calamitous war was averted, and a useful precedent was established for subsequent U.S. leaders to dial down tensions without sacrificing their values or strategic goals.

    Today’s leaders may not benefit from the privacy enjoyed by Kennedy and Khrushchev. But regardless, the next photo op involving U.S. and Chinese politicians should be one focused on instilling confidence rather than needlessly undermining it.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/08/16...asia-missiles/


    Clever girl, Nancy. And the US government has demonstrated it cannot even control it's own representatives.



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    Beijing’s shock-and-awe military response
    Warning: Be cautious if you are a fragile pink

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Put yer damn money where your impotent mouth is. Lets see who wins.


    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Asking the right question delivers te factual answer.

    Yup

    To make it even more pictorial for you . . . look at all the countries shoving their middle finger up at China.
    Do you see the dark blue ones - diplomatic missions.
    Light blue - representative offices

    So China doesn't like embassies there . . . fine. Let's call them something else . . . fuck China






    Even RUSSIA has a mission in Taiwan . . . and they travel there with diplomatic passports

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    And who will be the first to shake their fist and cry foul when the real war starts ? You.

    "But.....but.... they cant do that ! Muh .... muh military agression !"


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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Yup





    Even RUSSIA has a mission in Taiwan . . . and they travel there with diplomatic passports
    Grasping at straws of bullshit like usual. RUSSIA also has a consulate in Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico is a territory of the United states. Attention Required! | Cloudflare

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Even RUSSIA has a mission in Taiwan . . . and they travel there with diplomatic passports
    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Grasping at straws of bullshit like usual.
    I see . . . how is this bullshit? How is it incorrect? Come on, Backspit. Share with us your wisdom at how that was wrong.

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    Not rubbing it in or anything, but:-


    Belize1989-present
    Guatemala1933-present
    Haiti1956-present
    Holy See (Vatican City)1942-present
    Honduras1985-present
    Marshall Islands1998-present
    Nauru1980-2002, 2005-present
    Palau1999-present
    Paraguay1957-presentSaint Kitts and Nevis1983-present
    Saint Lucia1984-1997, 2007-presentSaint Vincent and the Grenadines1981-present
    Tuvalu1979-present

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...cognize-taiwan


    Real world beating combo that. Who is gonna fall next I wonder- any bets?

    I'll go out on a limb and say maybe Haiti- but then again it might be one of those Pacific microdots with a few thousand population.

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    Oh, my! Since I made my last post yesterday, the Three Stooges seem to majorly triggered.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Yada yada- the US knows it doesn't have a snowflakes chance. All China would have to do is blockade Taiwan, and seize/ nationalise it's huge investments in China.
    Nope

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