Brave New World

**sabang** · 19-04-2022, 09:54 PM

^ Goodonya mate!

But given your accomplishments, it is also clear you are one of the smart guys here. I too don't like being surrounded by Yes men and clones. Best ideas come from elsewhere.

Realistically stupid people should be banned from posting bollocks in discussion threads.

Oh, and who gets to decide that 'arry- your opinion leaders? Here you are posting away anyway. Good! You are free to post bollocks, and think it too- but try to stay on topic.

**harrybarracuda** · 19-04-2022, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

^ Goodonya mate!

But given your accomplishments, it is also clear you are one of the smart guys here. I too don't like being surrounded by Yes men and clones. Best ideas come from elsewhere.

Oh, and who gets to decide that 'arry- your opinion leaders? Here you are posting away anyway. Good! You are free to post bollocks, and think it too- but try to stay on topic.

Even a fucking simpleton knows to whom I'm referring.

Your endless fucking drivel should be cut and pasted to the drivel thread almost as quickly as you post it.

**sabang** · 19-04-2022, 10:52 PM

And of course, it is equally clear who the losers are too.

**helge** · 20-04-2022, 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by Iceman123

On a personal note I like to hear both sides of the debate, reasoned argument should be allowed to prevail.

That's about it

**cyrille** · 20-04-2022, 08:44 AM

That isn't in dispute though, obviously.

It isn't about stifling reasoned debate.

It's about blocking ridiculous made up

of the type sabang peddles.

But yeah, sure, Orwell would be horrified.

**harrybarracuda** · 20-04-2022, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

And of course, it is equally clear who the losers are too.

No-one loses if your shit is relegated to the drivel thread where it belongs. The rest of the four wanketeers can still come running to cheer you on.

**cyrille** · 20-04-2022, 09:24 AM

In the past it was publishing that muted all the nutty crap.

If insufficient people would have paid money to read something then it never got published.

That check is no longer available.

This is linked to the high percentage of lying wankers who reach positions of responsibility these days.

Too many people conclude 'well he's a lying irresponsible bullshitter, but oh well...there's a lot of it about'.

**sabang** · 21-04-2022, 04:05 AM

I would hardly describe people of such calibre as John Mersheimer, Noam Chomsky, Jack Matlock Jr, Alastair Crooke etc as 'lying wankers'. The fact that you do shows two things, only. First being that you disagree with them- or more accurately the narrative that you have been peddled does. Second, your utter childishness and inability to debate.

Be careful what you wish for, because in the absence of free speech and expression, the common peasantry can routinely be executed for insulting people like that, whose general quality, educational attainment, seniority and overall achievement in life so far exceeds their own.

**DrWilly** · 21-04-2022, 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by Iceman123

reasoned argument should be allowed to prevail.

You will not find Oh woe, sabang and. backspit engaging in anything remotely resembling reasoned debate.

Originally Posted by Iceman123

I am totally against censorship

As am I. I am against repeated posting and spreading of clear propaganda.

**sabang** · 21-04-2022, 04:22 AM

John Mersheimer, Noam Chomsky, Jack Matlock Jr, Alastair Crooke

Russian propagandists?

**pickel** · 21-04-2022, 04:26 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

I would hardly describe people of such calibre as John Mersheimer, Noam Chomsky, Jack Matlock Jr, Alastair Crooke etc as 'lying wankers'. The fact that you do shows two things, only. First being that you disagree with them- or more accurately the narrative that you have been peddled does. Second, your utter childishness and inability to debate.

Most of them say that Russia's invasion of Ukraine is an illegal invasion. Something you can't seem to agree with.

**sabang** · 21-04-2022, 06:05 AM

It is, as I have said before. The Maidan Revoluton was also illegal. The Iraq invasion also. Also the various Thai coups. And so on. Did you have a point? Oh, it's illegal.

Catty does, so here's one for her devoted fan club-

How Much Are We Prepared To Sacrifice To Help The US Win A Propaganda War Against Putin?

One severely under-discussed aspect of the latest round of escalations in Silicon Valley censorship which began at the start of the Ukraine war is the fact that it’s an entirely unprecedented order of censorship protocol. While it might look similar to all the other waves of social media purges and new categories of banned content that we’ve been experiencing since it became mainstream doctrine after the 2016 US election that tech platforms need to strictly regulate online speech, the justifications for it have taken a drastic deviation from established patterns.

What sets this new censorship escalation apart from its predecessors is that this time nobody’s pretending that it’s being done in the interests of the people. With the censorship of racists the argument was that they were inciting hate crimes and racial harassment. With the censorship of Alex Jones and QAnon the argument was that they were inciting violence. With the censorship of Covid skeptics the argument was that they were promoting misinformation that could be deadly. Even with the censorship of the Hunter Biden laptop story it was argued that there was a need to protect election integrity from disinformation of potentially foreign origin.

With censorship relating to the Ukraine war there is no argument that it’s being done to help the people. There is no case to be made that letting people say wrong things about this war kills Ukrainians, Americans, or anyone else. There is no case to be made that disputing claims about Russian war crimes will damage America’s democratic processes. It’s just, “Well we can’t have people saying wrong things about a war, can we?”
Full- How Much Are We Prepared To Sacrifice To Help The US Win A Propaganda War Against Putin? – Caitlin Johnstone

Should Catty be censored too?

**Switch** · 21-04-2022, 07:15 AM

“Should Catty be censored too?“

What a shock! sabang usually wanders off topic when the narrative goes against his opinion.

**sabang** · 21-04-2022, 07:25 AM

I assume you agree then, she shouldn't be censored. But her point is an interesting one, I think. This increase in censorship is a creeping thing- and nobody has consulted We the People about it. This is all happening over our heads, and without our consent.

**cyrille** · 21-04-2022, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

I would hardly describe people of such calibre as John Mersheimer, Noam Chomsky, Jack Matlock Jr, Alastair Crooke etc as 'lying wankers'.

You missed the ‘this is linked to…’ part.

**pickel** · 21-04-2022, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

It is, as I have said before. The Maidan Revoluton was also illegal. The Iraq invasion also. Also the various Thai coups. And so on. Did you have a point? Oh, it's illegal.

So, you don't support illegal invasions, unless it's Russia doing the invading?

I guess I've already made my point. You're a fucking hypocrite.

You come across as being the only one on TD being against the Iraq War. Other than Boon Mee, socal, and a couple of urine drinkers, pretty much the whole forum was against that war. As they are against this one. But you're not. You cry censorship while supporting the worst offenders of it.

Get my point yet?

**sabang** · 21-04-2022, 08:55 AM

Oh, Brave New World that has such idiots in it. So do you support this creeping censorship pickle, are you wary of it, opposed to it, or do you outright deny it is happening?

**pickel** · 21-04-2022, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

So do you support this creeping censorship pickle, are you wary of it, opposed to it, or do you outright deny it is happening?

I don't support censors as much as you do.

**cyrille** · 21-04-2022, 09:37 AM

That's rather the point, isn't it.

He sides with Putin and Xi and posts against censorship.

It's like Backspin claiming to oppose vacuity.

**harrybarracuda** · 21-04-2022, 10:08 AM

Yes, the irony of a Putin and Mr. Shithole sycophant bleating about censorship appears to be completely lost on the fucking moron.

**bsnub** · 21-04-2022, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by cyrille

That's rather the point, isn't it.

He sides with Putin and Xi and posts against censorship.

It's like Backspin claiming to oppose vacuity.

That about sums it up in a nutshell.

**helge** · 22-04-2022, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

So do you support this creeping censorship pickle, are you wary of it, opposed to it, or do you outright deny it is happening?

Originally Posted by pickel

I don't support censors as much as you do.

Originally Posted by cyrille

That's rather the point, isn't it.

He sides with Putin and Xi and posts against censorship.

Dodgers or lynch mob ?

Both ?

**pickel** · 22-04-2022, 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by helge

Dodgers or lynch mob ?

Both ?

Boring contrarian or devils advocate?

Both?

**helge** · 22-04-2022, 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by pickel

Boring contrarian or devils advocate?

Both?

Both

Dodging ?

**sabang** · 22-04-2022, 06:21 AM

Cancel culture is inbuilt in the techno-feudalist project: conform to the hegemonic narrative, or else. Journalism that does not conform must be taken down.

This month, several of us – Scott Ritter, myself, ASB Military News, among others – were canceled from Twitter. The – unstated – reason: we were debunking the officially approved narrative of the Russia/NATO/Ukraine war.

As with all things Big Tech, that was predictable. I lasted only seven months on Twitter. And that was long enough. Contacts in California had told me I was on their radar because the account grew too fast, and had enormous reach, especially after the start of Operation Z.

..... The late Pompeo-era report demonizes “fringe or conspiracy-minded” websites who happen to be extremely critical of U.S. foreign policy. They include Moscow-based Strategic Culture Foundation – where I’m a columnist – and Canada-based Global Research, which republishes most of my columns (but so does Consortium News, ZeroHedge and many other U.S. websites). I’m cited in the report by name, along with quite a few top columnists.

The report’s “research” states that Strategic Culture – which is blocked by Facebook and Twitter – is directed by the SVR, Russian foreign intel. This is ridiculous. I met the previous editors in Moscow – young, energetic, with enquiring minds. They had to quit their jobs because after the report they started to be severely threatened online.So the directive comes straight from the State Department – and that has not changed under Biden-Harris: any analysis of U.S. foreign policy that deviates from the norm is a “conspiracy theory” – a terminology that was invented and perfected by the C.I.A.

FULL_ PEPE ESCOBAR – Big Tech’s ‘Cancel Culture’ Love Affair – Consortium News

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