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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    There is no draft- only Army reservists have been called up, and a fraction of them at that. What on earth is that article on about?
    Only fucking idiots trust Putin, he's a lying c u n t.

    The announced "partial mobilization" would see 300,000 reservists called up, according to Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu. Putin said those with military experience would be subject to conscription, and stressed that the decree -- which was already signed -- was necessary to "protect our homeland, its sovereignty and its territorial integrity."
    Putin's decree appears to allow for wider mobilization than he suggested in his speech.
    The first paragraph talks about a "partial mobilization," but it does not define those eligible as narrowly as Russia's leader did in his address. Instead, it says that the only people to which it does not apply are those who are ineligible because of age, sickness, or imprisonment.
    Ekaterina Schulmann, a Russian political scientist and associate fellow at the Chatham House think tank, said on Telegram that while the decree "describes the mobilization as partial," it "sets no parameters of this partiality, either territorial or categoric."
    Russia drafts anti-war protesters into military amid nationwide demonstrations: monitoring group - CNN

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    There is no draft- only Army reservists have been called up, and a fraction of them at that. What on earth is that article on about?

    Anti-war protesters in Russia reportedly handed draft papers

    More than 1,000 people have been arrested across Russia, according to a local monitoring group, following protests against Moscow’s partial mobilisation order on Wednesday.


    Independent news outlets said some of those arrested were served a summons to report to military enlistment offices on Thursday, the first full day of conscription.

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, asked about reports that men detained were being given draft papers, said it was not against the law.

    MORE Anti-war protesters in Russia reportedly handed draft papers | Russia-Ukraine war News | Al Jazeera

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    There is no draft- only Army reservists have been called up, and a fraction of them at that. What on earth is that article on about?
    And there is no war in Ukraine. Merely a special operation.
    A rose by any other name would still smell like bullshit.
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    Sabang must have had COVID. It has wrecked his sense of smell.




    ‘We Just Started Crying’: Call-Up Gains Steam as Russians Receive Draft Papers


    Thousands of men across Russia were handed draft papers and NGOs helping conscripts were flooded with requests for help Thursday amid the military mobilization launched by President Vladimir Putin to provide extra manpower for the Ukraine war.


    One Muscovite who was detained with her husband at an anti-mobilization demonstration told The Moscow Times that male protesters were given draft papers at the police station.


    “There was a military recruiting officer who gave the detained men draft notifications,” she told The Moscow Times.


    “When the first person was asked to go to a separate room, we did not understand what was going on — but when he returned with a draft slip, we just started crying.”


    While Putin said Russia would only implement a “partial” mobilization targeting reservists with military experience in his televised announcement of the measure Wednesday, evidence from across the country as conscription got underway suggested some men were being drafted despite having spent no time in the Armed Forces.


    Long lines of cars were reported at Russia’s borders with neighboring states, including Finland, Georgia and Mongolia, as men apparently tried to flee the country, while prices for flights to countries accepting Russian travelers skyrocketed.


    One father of five children with no military experience was contacted by the authorities in the Siberian city of Ulan-Ude on Thursday, his wife Yanina Nimaeva told The Moscow Times.


    “The local authorities called my husband yesterday and asked him about his whereabouts. We were shocked and just switched off our phones,” she said.

    “On Thursday morning they visited our apartments where we are registered to check if he was there,” she added. “We are trying to get in touch with human rights activists.”


    According to Russian law, draft papers must be handed to the recipient in person, who is then required to sign to confirm they have been received.


    An unidentified man mobilized in the city of Chita near the Chinese border told state news agency RIA Novosti on Thursday that he was handed his draft summons at home.


    “They told me to turn up [to the enlistment center] at about 10:00 with warm clothes,” he said.


    Dozens of videos appeared online apparently showing groups of men gathering near military enlistment offices, or boarding coaches and planes, in cities across Russia.


    More than 10,000 reservists were conscripted in the first twenty-four hours of mobilization, rear admiral Vladimir Tsimlyansky told journalists late Thursday.


    Additional recruitment offices reportedly opened their doors across Russia, from St. Petersburg to Russia’s Far East.


    Amid growing fears that almost any man aged between 18 and 60 could be at risk of mobilization, human rights groups offering help to soldiers, or potential conscripts, were overwhelmed by inquiries.


    “The panic is huge,” said Sergei Krivenko, the head of the Citizen. Army. Law. group that provides legal assistance to Russian soldiers.


    “Previously, we had around 50 requests a day, but over the past two days we have received 14,000,” he told The Moscow Times.

    Alexandra Garmazhapova, the co-founder of the Free Buryatia Foundation, an anti-war organization supporting conscientious objectors from the Siberian republic of Buryatia, said that up to 5,000 men had likely already been mobilized there.


    “This is not a limited mobilization; the situation in Buryatia is very much a full mobilization,” she told The Moscow Times, recounting an incident in which one man was woken at 4 a.m. by military officials.


    “The number of requests [for help] didn’t just grow, it slammed us. Before there were…two or three messages every day… but now, in two days, each member of our team received thousands of messages,” she said.


    Back in Moscow, protest monitoring group OVD-Info said that anti-war protesters were served with draft papers inside at least 15 police stations following Wednesday’s demonstrations against mobilization.


    “There have been cases of psychological pressure,” said Eva Levenber, who works on legal issues for OVD-Info. “Oftentimes, the draft papers were issued by people in plain clothes without any identification marks,” she told The Moscow Times.


    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters Thursday that the practice of issuing draft orders inside police stations was “not against the law.”


    Russian journalist Artyom Krieger, who was detained while covering the protests in Moscow, said he received draft papers stating he must attend a recruitment office.


    “There were around a dozen men at the police station who also received these documents,” he told The Moscow Times from inside of a police van ahead of a court hearing Thursday.


    “I’m a student and I have a military exemption. I just hope everything will be fine.”

    ‘We Just Started Crying’: Call-Up Gains Steam as Russians Receive Draft Papers - The Moscow Times

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    An Army Reservist being handed his 'draft papers' is not in fact being drafted- he is being 'called-up'. A rather loose use of language to suit a one sided narrative.

    More fascinating is this allegation from that infamously pro-Putin publication the Moscow Times, that detained Peacenik demonstrators are being handed draft papers. Will they be used as front line stormtroopers? I kinda doubt that- it is hard to beat your opponent to death with a pansy. Or perhaps they will be conscripted as medical orderlies, kitchen hands and the like? I wonder. No I retain my sense of smell MK, and this one doesn't smell quite right.

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    Apparently, most Russian men are considered reservists because a year of military service is required of all men 18-27.

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    What better example of chinky propaganda could you have than this gem:

    Chinkystan did it's usual of ensnaring Ecuador in it's loan-sharking "belt and owed" scam:

    Ecuador is one of several Latin American countries that in recent years benefited from China’s lending spree. Like other loans China has made in the region, those to Ecuador are partially payable with shipments of natural resources — oil, in Ecuador’s case — which China needs to stoke its fast-growing economy.

    Correa was a close ally of Venezuela’s socialist, anti-U.S. President Hugo Chavez and saw Chinese loans as attractive because the Asian giant made no political or ideological demands, and the loans were a way of thumbing his nose at Uncle Sam, analysts say.

    But terms of Ecuador’s $6.5 billion in Chinese debt have become onerous with the global decline in the price of oil, Ecuador’s main source of revenue from exports. Moreover, some developments financed by the loans, including hydroelectric plants, are not producing the revenue that was anticipated.

    Correa also made deals to sell the Chinese millions of barrels of oil in advance on favorable terms, committing the country to ship 90% of all its exportable crude to the Asian giant through 2024. Terms of the deals, by which he mortgaged to China much of the country’s future production of crude, its principal source of export dollars,
    remain shrouded in mystery.

    Ecuador is just the latest Third World borrower to have trouble making payments to China; the list includes Sri Lanka and the Maldives.
    Poor Ecuador has now had to go back to the loan sharks to try and renegotiate.

    The chinky version:

    Brave New World-untitled-jpg


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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    An Army Reservist being handed his 'draft papers' is not in fact being drafted- he is being 'called-up'. A rather loose use of language to suit a one sided narrative.

    More fascinating is this allegation from that infamously pro-Putin publication the Moscow Times, that detained Peacenik demonstrators are being handed draft papers. Will they be used as front line stormtroopers? I kinda doubt that- it is hard to beat your opponent to death with a pansy. Or perhaps they will be conscripted as medical orderlies, kitchen hands and the like? I wonder. No I retain my sense of smell MK, and this one doesn't smell quite right.
    Sounds like you're got learning difficulties again. Which bits of this do you need help with?

    The announced "partial mobilization" would see 300,000 reservists called up, according to Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu. Putin said those with military experience would be subject to conscription, and stressed that the decree -- which was already signed -- was necessary to "protect our homeland, its sovereignty and its territorial integrity."
    Putin's decree appears to allow for wider mobilization than he suggested in his speech.
    The first paragraph talks about a "partial mobilization," but it does not define those eligible as narrowly as Russia's leader did in his address. Instead, it says that the only people to which it does not apply are those who are ineligible because of age, sickness, or imprisonment.
    Ekaterina Schulmann, a Russian political scientist and associate fellow at the Chatham House think tank, said on Telegram that while the decree "describes the mobilization as partial,"it "sets no parameters of this partiality, either territorial or categoric."

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    ^^ Wrong thread 'arry.

    None of the recent posts have anything to do with 'Brave New World'. There are Ukraine threads too, you know.


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    Japan too. An interesting comment in that article.

    There is no law requiring people to wear masks, but they are still near-ubiquitous in public places like trains and shops, with many Japanese willing to sport masks when ill even before the pandemic.

    Japan to lift Covid restrictions on foreign tourists from October

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    [QUOTE=sabang;4432797]^^ Wrong thread 'arry.

    None of the recent posts have anything to do with 'Brave New World'. There are Ukraine threads too, you know.

    [QUOTE]

    Yes they do. Go protest the war and end up getting drafted immediately. I’d say that is censorship!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    There is no draft- only Army reservists have been called up, and a fraction of them at that. What on earth is that article on about?
    This is great news from Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu (who) said on Russian television Wednesday morning ...

    “Like those who serve under conscription, they are not subject to being sent to the zone of a special military operation; our conscripts continue to serve on the territory of the Russian Federation.” Russia to call up 300,000 reservists, Defense Minister says
    The 300,000 will not be cannon fodder in Ukraine!

    But, I suppose Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu's statement does beg the question, just what will the 300,000 be doing on the Motherlands soil?

    Surely Sergei Shoigu doesn't include the Donbas and Crimea region as the 'territory of the Russian Federation'?
    Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    This is great news from Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu (who) said on Russian television Wednesday morning ...



    The 300,000 will not be cannon fodder in Ukraine!

    But, I suppose Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu's statement does beg the question, just what will the 300,000 be doing on the Motherlands soil?

    Surely Sergei Shoigu doesn't include the Donbas and Crimea region as the 'territory of the Russian Federation'?

    They will consider Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia territory of the Russian Federation when they finish their sham referendums this weekend! That’s the whole point of the exercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    They will consider Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia territory of the Russian Federation when they finish their sham referendums this weekend! That’s the whole point of the exercise.
    Of course they will. Reckon a few will be sent to Crimea become fodder at a bit later date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
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    This Covid one is in the wrong thread.

    The one about the chinkies lying about loan sharking to Ecuador is your "Brave New World".

    The one about Puffy lying about who could get conscripted is your "Brave New World".

    The biggest fucking liars in sabang's "Brave New World" are Putin and the chinkies. He's a bit of thicko.
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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Yes they do. Go protest the war and end up getting drafted immediately. I’d say that is censorship!
    sabang can't even spell Huxley, let alone read his works (unless they do pop-up versions).

    If he had two brain cells to rub together, he'd realise Brave New World is a book about totalitarian state control.

    You know, the sort you see from the chinkies and putin.

    He really is an uneducated thicko.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    He really is an uneducated thicko.
    The fact he is in the dark about this has been laughable from the start of this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Poor Ecuador has now had to go back to the loan sharks to try and renegotiate.
    As your post lacks a source or a date, your post is irrelevant China bashing, as usual.

    However, two days ago facts are:

    Ecuador reaches $1.4bn debt restructuring deal with China


    Subscribe to read | Financial Times


    The rest is behind a paywall.

    However, for all who wish to comment, here are two days ago published facts, as reported by the Financial Times.

    Ecuador and China reach $1.4bn debt deal


    September 21, 2022

    "Ecuador announced on Monday night that it reached a debt relief restructuring agreement with Chinese banks worth $1.4 billion until 2025, as Beijing increasingly offers bailouts to countries at risk of financial crises, reports the Financial Times.


    The government of center-right president Guillermo Lasso said it had reached agreements with the China Development Bank and the Export-Import Bank of China (Eximbank) worth $1.4 billion and $1.8 billion, respectively. The deals will extend the loans’ maturity and reduce interest rates and amortization.


    Overall, these agreements will provide $1.4 billion in debt service relief as repayments to the China Development Bank will be reduced by more than $745 million over the next three years and repayments to China Eximbank will be reduced by about $680 million to 2025"

    Ecuador and China reach $1.4bn debt deal | China Economic Review

    Another damp crutch from 'arry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Surely Sergei Shoigu doesn't include the Donbas and Crimea region as the 'territory of the Russian Federation'?
    As M"k posts

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    They will consider Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia territory of the Russian Federation
    Subject to the areas peoples voting for it.

    Crimea has been Russian territory for some years. De facto and Du jour.

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    Yes hoohoo we know the chinkies are keeping Ecuador afloat so they can suck some more out of it later, you idiot.

    That's what they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    As your post lacks a source or a date, your post is irrelevant China bashing, as usual.

    However, two days ago facts are:

    Ecuador reaches $1.4bn debt restructuring deal with China


    Subscribe to read | Financial Times


    The rest is behind a paywall.

    However, for all who wish to comment, here are two days ago published facts, as reported by the Financial Times.

    Ecuador and China reach $1.4bn debt deal


    September 21, 2022

    "Ecuador announced on Monday night that it reached a debt relief restructuring agreement with Chinese banks worth $1.4 billion until 2025, as Beijing increasingly offers bailouts to countries at risk of financial crises, reports the Financial Times.


    The government of center-right president Guillermo Lasso said it had reached agreements with the China Development Bank and the Export-Import Bank of China (Eximbank) worth $1.4 billion and $1.8 billion, respectively. The deals will extend the loans’ maturity and reduce interest rates and amortization.


    Overall, these agreements will provide $1.4 billion in debt service relief as repayments to the China Development Bank will be reduced by more than $745 million over the next three years and repayments to China Eximbank will be reduced by about $680 million to 2025"

    Ecuador and China reach $1.4bn debt deal | China Economic Review

    Another damp crutch from 'arry.

    The problem is these Chinese debt traps keep occurring, requiring countries to sign over leases in some cases or needing total debt restructuring. Many projects are not viable in the first place and in many cases why they cannot get western finance. It leads one to think either the Chinese are incredibley bad at due diligence or their motives go far beyond finance and more into a degree of financial and political control. There are many examples of this poor due diligence finance but the following is an example. This was a project that was considered not viable by western banks and then financed through the chinese. As far as I'm aware the first large project in Europe by the Chinese.
    Montenegro’s billion-dollar road to nowhere - Reporters

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    Velly Interesting...'

    Well done Craig Murray.



    Do you believe that the Russians are propagandised into supporting this war but westerners are not? Here is an interesting experiment you can repeat. Go to google and do a google image search on “Swastikas on Ukrainian tanks”. I get this, and I suspect you will get something very similar:

    Google Image Search “Swastikas on Ukrainian Tanks”






    The large majority of those images link to articles claiming that the “Z” symbol used by the Russian forces is a (previously unnoticed) Nazi symbol.
    The one thing google does not give you is any swastikas on Ukrainian tanks, which is what you asked for.

    Now go to yandex.ru and enter an identical image search for “Swastikas on Ukrainian tanks”. This is what I get:

    Yandex Image Search “Swastikas on Ukrainian Tanks”





    That is a rather strikingly different set of images, is it not?

    Now which one looks more like what I asked for?

    Crucially, the first two images top left on the yandex search link to the German NTV station report that captured the swastika on the Ukrainian tank which Max Blumenthal had tweeted about. That is what I was searching for, to check on Max’s facts. Google hides this; I have no doubt whatsoever that this is deliberate.

    It is also worth noting that while the Google results totally exclude any material about Nazi symbols used by Ukrainian troops in the current conflict, the yandex.ru search does include images from pro-Ukrainian sites that claim to debunk these images, rightly or wrongly.

    In other words, while the google search results are highly censored to exclude the Russian viewpoint, the yandex results include pro-Ukrainian viewpoints and appear to be much more what you would expect on a random, uncensored internet search on the subject.

    As I said at the start, if you are in the west you are being conditioned to support the war, to at least as great an extent as people are being conditioned to support it in Russia. That little experiment with google is the tip of an iceberg of suppression: on twitter, on facebook, by paypal defunding, and by all of western TV, radio and newspapers.

    On any matter relating to any aspect of the Ukraine war, you are seeing one side of a story. Russians are seeing only another side. The space for truth is very limited, as the world crashes into full dystopia.

    I might add that the chilling effect is so great that I personally have serious qualms about publishing this article, in case its querying of aspects of the western narrative lead to cancellation of social media and paypal accounts.

    FULL- Diplomacy Is Always an Option - Craig Murray

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    Ooh so chilling! I don’t know how I will get through the day.

    Almost as chilling as snatching anti-war protesters off the street and immediately pressing them into the military.

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    Newspeak in the New Russia

    George Orwell must be spinning in his grave.

    In 1949 George Orwell published his last novel, “1984,” and it was translated into Russian and published in 1957 — but not in the Soviet Union. More than 30 years would pass before it was published officially in Moscow. Both the самиздат (self-published work) and bound book version were instant hits — after all, it was one of the first books to describe Soviet reality.


    It was “1984” that gave the world Newspeak — in Russian called Новояз, a translation that captures the meaning and even has a whiff of the snappy abbreviations of the early Revolutionary period. A while back the linguist Maxim Krongauz wrote that новояз has developed three meanings in Russian: Orwell’s fictional language, the language of totalitarian systems, and ненормативный язык (non-normative speech) — itself a lovely example of новояз since ненормативный язык can include what we call expletives in Oldspeak.


    To that we can now add a fourth category: the language of 2022.


    Let’s start with cамозащита России (Russia’s self-defense), which actually means “attacking a sovereign neighbor that has not threatened Russia or any other state.”


    This was known in Oldspeak as война (war), but it is now a специальная военная операция (special military operation) or спецоперация (special op), which was meant to sound like — and meant to be — a quick in-and-out operation that would end with a new president and parades down main streets. This is also called операция по денацификации и демилитаризации Украины (an operation to deNazify and demilitarize Ukraine). Neither новояз version went well, the first because there is no new president or parades, the second because no one could find any Nazis.


    But no matter. In новояз they say: всё идёт по плану (everything is going according to plan).


    Another bit of новояз concerning the war is the phrase принуждение к миру (peace enforcement), which was patented, as it were, way back in 2008 when Russia invaded Georgia and annexed part of its territory. Президент Дмитрий Медведев убеждён, что проведённая Россией операция по принуждению Грузии к миру была верным решением (President Dmitry Medvedev is convinced that forcing Georgia to accept peace was the right decision).


    In новояз the enemies in Ukraine are called неонацисты (neo-Nazis) and нацисты (Nazis) —even if no one has seen one, captured one, or shown one on television. The enemies of the special operation in Russia are called экстремисты (extremists), even though no one has ever figured out what they are extreme about.


    In this language, you don’t conquer territory, you liberate it, like an official said in July: Территорию ДНР полностью освободят от присутствия Вооружённых сил Украины до конца августа (The territory of the Donetsk People’s Republic will be completely liberated from Ukrainian Armed Forces by the end of the August). This was said by deputy of what seems like another Orwellian term, министр информации (the minister of information). The minister should have double-checked that information.


    When the territory that has been liberated gets liberated back to the original residents and authorities, the Russian armed forces’ hasty retreat is called жест доброй воли (a gesture of good will). There are suddenly many good will gestures, starting with Snake Island. Представитель Министерства обороны РФ заявил, что "в качестве шага доброй воли" российский контингент покинул остров (A representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense announced that as a “gesture of good will” the Russian contingent left the island.)


    Ликвидация (liquidation), the term usually used to describe, say, closing out a company, is used now to describe death and total destruction. Ликвидировано за сутки более двух десятков боевиков (More than 20 soldiers were liquidated in the past day). The word смерть (death) is not used. For the most part, Russian soldiers are not said to have been killed, not even with the euphemism of the Covid period — летальный исход (fatal outcome). Here’s how it is usually described: Во время чрезвычайного происшествия, повлёкшего гибель танка, солдат был объявлен пропавший без вести " (During an emergency situation — that is, an attack — which resulted in the tank being ruined — that is, completely destroyed — the soldier was listed as missing in action — that is, he was not MIA but KIA — killed in action).


    During this non-war there might be an инцидент (incident), which really means some kind of major accident or natural disaster. It might be an explosion, now called хлопок (a pop) in новояз. This makes for strange official descriptions: Пострадавшие от хлопка газа жители вернутся в квартиры (The residents affected by the pop of gas — that is, gas explosion — will return to their apartments). Ночью были сильные хлопки в Белгородской области (Loud pops — that is, major explosions — could be heard at night in Belgorod oblast).


    That инцидент can cause another инцидент — пожар (fire). But fire in новояз is either задымление (smoke, smokiness) or возгорание (flare up). Поступило сообщение о возгорании магазина, в результате чего повреждено потолочное перекрытие и продукция смешанных товаров на площади 72 кв м. (There was a report about a fire breaking out in a store, which resulted in damage to the ceiling and to 72 square meters of mixed merchandise).


    Новояз is an important part of censorship, which is now called защита русскоговорящих и особенно русскоговорящих детей (the protection of Russian speakers and especially Russian-speaking children). People in Russia must be protected from many terrible things: провокация (provocative statements) — that is, criticism of the powers that be; фейки (fakes) — that is, any information that does not come from official Russian sources; and дискредитация российской армии (defamation of the Russian army) — that is, any criticism of the armed forces. And if the media fails to protect them properly, Роскомнадзор предупредит о мерах технологического воздействия (the Russian media watchdog organization will warn that they will take “measures of technical intervention.”) That is, they’ll block them.


    And that’s today’s not-news from the not-war.

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